Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....
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Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....
Has Mario Rosenstock joined up here or maybe its a piece for Joe Duffy's Funny Friday?
looking back over the issues aired so far and the ones yet to come, I think that person knows who to talk to and what mistakes have to be corrected to put this business back on the correct footing it deserves. One thing that is not up for debate is that The King and his Head Servant can have no role within the club and certain decisions would have to be reversed apart from that everything is open for discussion. I believe there could be contact with the General Manager soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by notever
Captain2007 quoted ''No Money, No ambition, No Directors, bringing back staff they fired 2 seasons ago and now they will be one season ticket holder less for next season''
Captain2007 quoted Also: Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....
So Captain2007, how do you see yourself buying a season ticket for 2013?
What changes do you want to take place?
This is what the postings are about: Bray and the Future
Do we need a real Philanthropist, with vision and love for Bray?
We need, more than anything, a concrete plan for club promotion, the money to implement it, and a board with the discipline and foresight to see it through and build on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dove
From what I hear from Pat Devlin on the radio, there are only two people running the Club at the moment, himself and the general Manager Jack O'Neill. In all honesty two people running the Club, (thats apart from the girl in the office,) is not sufficient. So its apparantly clear they need people to get on board and help in whatever way they can.I assume (and I know its dangerous to assume), they would be delighted to welcome people who want to help, and thats why I suggested in my last posting that people who feel they have something to offer (maybe ideas maybe money or maybe both), should contact the general manager and have a private discussion to test the water, if somebody has an issue with Jack O'Neill I'm sure Pat Devlin would only be too delighted to talk to them.. I for one would hate to see our Club disappear into the abyss and I'm worried that could happen. I just hope this thread will have done something to get people thinking on how they could help. We must all put the past in the past and move on, if we keep refering back to the past we get nowhere, its time now to put the Club first and leave pesonalities aside. We should all remember Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley said no for a long long time but eventually he said yes and now we are all in a beter place and he was able to work with Martin Mc Guinness, who ever saw that coming? Heres hoping by the start of next season if there is to be next season for Bray Wdrs. that all our troubles are behind us and we can go from strength to strenght, the potential is there. Look what Sligo did.
You are absolutely right, there are only two people running the club PD and JON, that is really running the club, but you still have one individual calling all the shots then there is nothing that can be done. While there are many who would be quite happy to work with Pat and Jack for the benefit of the club but this other individual is a major stumbling block. To take your analogy one thing Paisley was NOT, despite all his faults, he was a not a dictator. Bullying is a strong word but that is what the club has got. The shareholders of the club need to decide very soon do they want a football club that exists or not because time is running out very quickly. They know what they have to do to make this happen and there would be individuals there the following morning to help them. The club is at the abyss and it's not going to take much to tip it over and there is only one person to blame if it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by notever
Good and fair comment for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by notever
The fact is that we have some people who think they are allowed to manage a club by deciding to turn on or turn off their financial support.
As long as that is the case, as long as management bow to that type of 'manipulation', as long as that trait is tolerated in an organisation then we will have a problem.
Clearly some of the views here are from those who have seen that manipulation in action and who think that is has no place in any company and even less of a place in a sports club.
It looks to me like some unsavoury events have happened. Before moving on they will have to be examined and a determination made on their correctness.
Only that way do you end up with good and honourable people on board who carry out the business in the true purpose of sport.
What is the true purpose of Sport - is it just for money and exercise and nothing else? Perhaps in the next few posts we will have a discusion on that.
Do the shareholders own the company/club or just the stock/assets ? Perhaps a good idea would be to require directors to obey the law and put the clubs long-term interests before themselves or their shareholders,as a consequence we might find the club to be less opaque,anonymous, and ominous to the real supporters.
Well said, I couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain2007
The Shareholders own the Company,Club,Stock and Assets that is why I've been advocating a Supporters Club rep on the board. I also think St. Josephs should have some representation, whether on the board or not would be up for discussion. For at least 20 years now everything has been done behind closed doors and the supporters kept in the dark.
Why don't the supporters club buy some shares in the company, 100 shares would cost you 100 euro and while you may not have a seat at the board table you are entitled to attend the AGM and ask questions of the board. I know there is one shareholder who is prepared to sell some of his shares.
The board are entitled to refuse to sell shares to any individual without reason. But I wonder why they might do that? Is it the same old story, keep everything within the golden circle and to hell with the supporters. Maybe it's that they don't want anyone to see how they behave, children actually, IMO.
I will speak to the shareholder and maybe he would be prepared to put some way of contacting him up here. Why not treat yourselves or a friend to 100 shares for Christmas and come to the AGM next year and listen to what is said, maybe they will even behave themselves this year.
An AGM has to be held by the company to approve the accounts for the previous year and reappoint the Auditors. The shareholders are allowed to ask questions of the board about the accounts. The financial year end is 30th Nov to fit in with FAI licensing rules and no more than 15 months should elapse between each meeting. So it should be held probably no later than June 2013, if the club still exists.
If any Bray Wanderers supporter is interested in buying shares please send your contact details and the number of shares you are interested in to the following address and I will pass it on the the relevant people bwshares100@gmail.com
"Journalism is to reveal the truth when others try to hide it" Greek journalist Kostas Vaxevanis, now in jail for publishing the list of wealthy Greeks with Swiss accounts.
Case rescheduled for 1st November, this Thursday, in Bray District Court. Should be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Greek journalist Costas Vaxevanis on trial over bank listQuote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20163430
"If I need to go to prison I will do," he said. "Not because I'm a hero, but to show the injustice of what is happening"
The parallel you draw is interesting and not without foundation.
The case was settled in full with costs to the plaintiff without going to court. If the club knew it was going to loose the case why defend it and waste money? Next up Circuit and High court cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Where to now for Bray Wanderers?
Surely not the courts, and is there the implied suggestion that there is more to come?
Guys, we need to stop this rot, and lining pockets of legal people.
Lets get back to the topic.Where to now for Bray Wanderers?
Would you all agree folks?
So Bray Wanderers are joining that group of Irish Companies who try to avoid paying their debts and leave the little people having to chase them through the courts. Well all I can say is SHAME ON BRAY WANDERERS or to be more to the point SHAME on those people who think that they can run the club this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Everyone recovering from Friday night's little party then? I hope someone asked the right questions about where the club is going and are the administrators following the best possible course on running such an important social body as a premier division football club?
There has been a good take up of this offer so the current shareholder has decided to leave the offer open till the end of November at which time everyone who applied will be contacted and informed of their allocation and hopefully the board will approve the transfer of the shares. The shareholder wishes to thank all those who have shown an interest in purchasing shares, he sees the wish for supporters to own part of their club to be a positive move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
How many has Devo bought does anyone know?
Hopefully he bought the whole lot :oQuote:
Originally Posted by KK77
Currently PD owns 39,747 of a total of 817,430 shares which 4.86% of total shareholding.Quote:
Originally Posted by KK77
There is still one more week to get your applications in for the purchase of shares in Bray Wanderers, this is a great opportunity for supporters to have a say in how the club is run. If you love your team this is your chance to make a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
I thought it would be interesting to find out how other club are run in the Airtricity League so I did some research and below is a list of clubs on whom I have found information: This is purely the list of administrative staff and does not reflect Team Managers or coaching staff.
CLUB BOARD ADDITIONAL STAFF Shamrock Rovers Board of Directors (10) Shelbourne Board of Directors (10) Drogheda United Board of Directors (3) 6 support staff St. Patrick's Athletic Board of Directors (5) Cork City Board of Directors (9) Bohemians Board of Directors (8) Limerick City Board of Directors (4) 7 Committee Members Sligo Rovers Committee Members (16) Waterford United Board of Directors (8) Finn Harps Board of Directors (6) Longford Town Board of Directors (6) 7 Committee Members Athlone Town Committee Members (10) Wexford Youths Committee Members (7) Bray Wanderers on the other hand in their infinite wisdom think that just 2 two board members are required to run the club with one man holding 4 positions (Director, Company Secretary, FAI Rep and General Manager). If no other club can do it what makes Bray think it can.
What sort of discussion forum is a meeting with a Chairman and 1 Director, this is an absolute joke. This is the brainchild of one individual who decided everyone must go. I think re-signing players is the least of the clubs worries.
Harps have a couple of sub-committees too and I believe there's more than 6 on the current board of directors.
Information based on your clubs web-siteQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Chairman. Joey O’Leary
Secretary. John Campbell
Finance Officer. Denise O'Neill
Youth & Football Officer. James Rodgers
Fundraising Officer. Sean Quinn
Operations Officer. Seamus Gallagher
Maybe it needs updating?
Maybe it's a separate committee altogether, but I'm fairly sure there's another 3 or 4 people involved in the running of things. I could be wrong, but I'd be fairly sure of it.
These people are also involved(per website) but they are not part of the Executive Board which is what I'm comparing.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Office Administrator. Lucia Foley
FAI Representative. James Rodgers
Media Officer. Joe Doherty
Ground Development Officer. Patsy Lafferty
Merchandise Manager. Aidan Dullaghan
Take it as you wish, but there's others on the board too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Thanks Albatross.
Good work on how a club needs to be inclusive to be a good club and how other clubs have brought together as many different talents as possible for their benefit.
Looks like BW exists only as the reserve of a selected few. Lost all their friends have they.
Once upon a time Bray Wanderers had good people with great skills on the Board but they were dumped for asking relevant questions on policy in the club.
It all cries out for an investigation and when that happens who knows what other issues will emerge from the woodwork.
I will continue to investigate and to report here until the club is in the hands of the real supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
To use some license with this quote from Edmund Burke
"All that is necessary for the triumph of vested interests is that good men do nothing. "
I for one will not stand idly by.
I have been asked by the seller of the shares to inform any interested parties that some supporters have joined together as a consortium to buy some shares and that if other groups of supporters wished to do likewise he would be interested in accepting those offers also.Again the e-mail address is bwshares100@gmail.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
[QUOTE=Albatross;1646339]I will continue to investigate and to report here until the club is in the hands of the real supporters.
To use some license with this quote from Edmund Burke
"All that is necessary for the triumph of vested interests is that good men do nothing. "
Good on you and remember Orwell:
“Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.”
End of Financial Year last Friday, time now for Audit and budgets for FAI plus all the other Financial and Operational criteria that are required to get a License. It will be interesting to see how that goes, one thing I have noticed is that the club had failed to file last years accounts, if this is not done then the company will be struck off and that's the end of Bray Wanderers. You have to wonder what the hell is going on behind the scenes, it's beginning to to feel like the Marie Celeste, a ghost ship.
Some documentation has come my way and the supporters of Bray Wanderers may or may not be interested it's contents but here goes anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryknight
Below is extract from the Minutes of an EGM held at Carlisle Grounds on 8th December 2011.
Present: Eddie Slevin; Frank Slevin; John Deering; Pat Devlin; Eddie Cox; Richard Holfeld; Philip Hannigan
Richard Holfeld requested that we move to Item 6 on the Agenda – this was agreed by all.
Agenda Item 6:
To Appoint or Remove Directors:
Eddie Cox informed the meeting that he cannot work with John Deering anymore. John Deering continues to send e-mails including one to Bray Town Council when he was asked not too. Eddie Cox said he had received over 30 e-mails from John Deering despite asking him to stop.
John Deering said he was only interested in helping the club and had organised to get the phones switched back on and had been in touch with the ESB.
John Deering said his heart was in the club.
John Deering said he felt like the accused and his only concern was the football club.
At this stage Richard Holfeld invited John Deering to resign as a Director – this was seconded by Eddie Cox.
Following some discussion, John Deering asked could he speak with Eddie Slevin outside of the meeting and this was granted. On his return John Deering resigned as a Director and left the meeting.
There are a few comments that I think are worth making and questions that need answering:
- Why were items 2/3/4/5 on the agenda not discussed at the meeting and an unseemly haste by Mr Holfeld to get to agenda item 6?
- This seems to me a spurious reason for getting rid of a director with more than 10 years experience.
- In the year 2011 when E-mail is the most common form of communication Mr. Cox would have us return to the dark-ages.
- If Mr. Cox is serious about being involved in running the club why would he not want to be kept informed about such serious matters as the phone being cut off and the ESB not being paid especially when he was doing nothing about it.
- Was there actually another reason for getting rid of Mr. Deering?
- If this is the way the club is being run what hope is there.
Maybe Mr. Cox and Mr. Holfeld or the board would like to explain their actions.
‘Director asked to resign for sending too many Emails’Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Great story for any paper, if it wasn’t so serious it would be funny.
Watch out folks if you are joining Braw Wanderers just bring your pencil and paper to the table and maybe an abacus while you are at it.
Seriously though, this sounds like an ambush. It looks like Cox & Holfled had already discussed the matter before the meeting and the outcome was predetermined.
Let’s hear the real reason for this carry on, what was Deering doing that was so wrong, is there some cover up going on here?
If so then we need an inquiry to get to the truth.
"...Bray Wanderers on the other hand in their infinite wisdom think that just 2 two board members ......"
"...What sort of discussion forum is a meeting with a Chairman and 1 Director...."
Below is extract from the Minutes of an EGM held at Carlisle Grounds on 8th December 2011.
Present: Eddie Slevin; Frank Slevin; John Deering; Pat Devlin; Eddie Cox; Richard Holfeld; Philip Hannigan
Albatross , are the above the club's board of directors (7) ?
The Board of Directors is only 2 as per the Companies Office, i.e. Eddie Cox and Jack O' Neill, the rest are shareholders. There is evidence to suggest that other individuals are acting as shadow directors but are obviously hiding behind the fact that they are not registered as directors. Why that is the case you would have to ask them, it does not absolve them of their statutory and legal responsibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain2007
for running the company. I do know that the Slevins have no longer any involvement in running the club and John Deering was forced to resign so you take your pick from the rest.
The share transfer documents have been forwarded to the Company Secretary and we now await the clubs response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albatross
Seems to be a lot of problems at the club, I hope it can be sorted out before the new season.