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What if Mervue and Salthill withdraw which in likelihood will? will you still be insisting on the present set up which is farcical to begin with. Its not so long ago that Limerick fans were crying out for this much needed change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
The present set up is simply unsustainable. Where is the logic in denying Finn Harps and Derry City 2 derbies a year garnering the much needed cash that would make a big difference to their respective seasons.
Where am I insisting on anything?! :bulgy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
I said it will either go one division or stay the same for another year and that there's arguments for both to be most likely......
At the moment there's very little to suggest a new set up would be any more sustainable than the current set up.Quote:
The present set up is simply unsustainable.
Because the clubs are to a large extent ran by ( largely well meaning) daws who don't know their arse from their elbow and/or are bought and paid for by John Delaney.
Where's the logic in denying Rochdale a derby with Man United?!Quote:
Where is the logic in denying Finn Harps and Derry City 2 derbies a year garnering the much needed cash that would make a big difference to their respective seasons
Where's the logic in denying Barnet a derby with Arsenal?!
Where's the logic in denying Gateshead a derby with Newcastle?!
You're familiar with the concept of a league structure yes??
If Mervue and Salthill drop out and GUST come in, then as it stands, there will be a 12 team premier and a 6 team 1st. For those that say a single division league is unsustainable, then a 6 team 1st division is even more unsustainable.
Some people say that having 2 divisions is important as the threat of relegation keeps clubs competitive and honest in their endevours. But the becomes a moot point if you don't have enough teams to populate 2 divisions. At the current rate of losing clubs, we might have only 10 teams left in total in a few years. What happens then, do we have a premier of 6 and a 1st of 4 teams JUST to maintain 2 divisions?
I think it was Pat Devlin who made the point in the Independent article above that the big clubs need the small clubs to form a league and he is right. With the current number of teams that we will probably have next season, then an 18 team league is the only plausible and logical way forward.
Can always wedge in two more teams for an eight team first.
If they want.
Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Even if they did get 2 more teams, an 8 team league is still farcical IMO. If there is to be 20 LOI teams and if we must have 2 divisions, then 2 10's would be better IMO.
Just because Limerick might actually get promoted this season ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Sh*teQuote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
Cobh and whoever, tis easily done if the FAI have the will, witness Kildare, Fingal, SD, Dublin City, Tralee and Carlow in the A League etc, etc, etc, there's a long history of clubs being used when it suits.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
It would.Quote:
If there is to be 20 LOI teams and if we must have 2 divisions, then 2 10's would be better IMO
But it can't happen next season because the promotion and relegation has been set in stone.
Try to relegate two extra clubs.
Spend pre season in and out of the high court/funny pages.
Now that's farcical.
My feelings on the whole thing have been clear on here for quite some time in fairness, I've done threads on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I'd be in favour of one main division, IF it was done correctly.
I just don't think the "we want one division because we need the money" argument holds much water. Nor does the "we want two divisions because Pats have 300 more away fans than Longford" argument while I'm at it.
Both arguments stem from the fact that the clubs are in large part a shambles. And while the clubs are a shambles, you can have one division of twenty, two divisions of ten, three divisions of six and a third or four divisions of five and the league will still be a jokeshop.
There's far bigger issues than the league structure to be dealt with.
Most likely you will have:
Shamrock Rovers
Sligo Rovers
St Pats Athletic
Shelbourne
Bohemians
Cork
Derry
Drogheda
Bray
UCD
Dundalk
Limerick
Longford
Waterford
Athlone
Finn Harps
'A Galway club'
Wexford
Thats 18. Cobh Ramblers have a team competing in the Elite Division of the U19 League. Surely this team is there to build a platform to regaining a senior team.
We've had potential clubs like Carlow, Fanad, Tralee, Castlebar, Tullamore, Portlaoise.
We've lost Monaghan, Kildare and Kilkenny.
Letterkenny have entered a team in the U19 League and apparently LOI ambitions.
There are no shortage of clubs to have two reasonably sized divisions. However, the astronomicaal cost of running an amateur club in the First Division is driving clubs away. The FAI are going nowhere until they assess affiliation fees, referee fees and fines. I mean it's ridiculous the cost of entering a team in the league, given the awful prize money on offer. You need to finish in the top half to at least get your money back.
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Partizan
Just curious, have not heard the same.
Fai have said that their will be only one Galway club in the league next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olander
Talks between Fai, Salthill, Mervue & GUST still ongoing
They should try one league for 3 years.In the meantime FAI should try and recruit new team to a regionalised First div(easier to get new teams if it is regionalised as the cost for teams will be lower).
In 3 years time reduce the premier league down to 12. For the teams who get relegated from the premier league they will join the new clubs in a regionalised first div.
Run the first Div like the A league was, have groups, then have quarter finals, semi finial, and a final
Last in premier gets relegated, 2nd last plays runner up in First in a playoff.
This will only work if new teams come on board so thats why it will take a few years
Wouldnt be a very long season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
Cheers for that - edited postQuote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Would certainly cut down on travel expenses, suppose you want Harps to be that team so ye can win it every year? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Easy prize money and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
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Originally Posted by Trainee
a man came down from the moon, spent an afternoon on Galway, he listened , he was a nice man seemingly,
diddly squat since. its the biggest long fingering project of the year to allow the league dream up some other daft variant of sd galway. At the rate of pace of this process there will be 2 days to prepare a club for re entry to the league and thats if we are lucky
There is a cute hoor 2 man committee in Galway deciding whats best for Galway as long as it suits their personal ambitions.
The Irony of a Galway United fan looking to add a second and third Donegal side into the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
Didn't propose that all 3 should be there at once, far from it! Know first hand the kind of problems it can generate. It just shows the interest is there, but while the costs remain as high as they are, there's little or no chance of new teams putting their futures on the line and joining the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
I still wouldn't fancy their chancesQuote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
....might back them each way though :oQuote:
Originally Posted by bluemovie
The whole argument here appears to be that the move to a single Division is to "save" a number of First Division clubs. This presumably predicated on the "fact" that all current Premier Division clubs are fine and sure any loss would be no problem to them. Mention of Sporting Fingal, Monaghan or Galway Utd is met with "sure that was different".
The REAL fact is unless the available resources are increased then some clubs may not survive. Redistributing current revenues may simply change which club dies.
Another victory for the Me Fein brigade of LOI :rolleyes:
Is this thread morphing into the other thread on League format ? perhaps Mods can cut and paste please to prevent duplication (or posters like me stick to right thread :o) ?