has dunphy jacked it in?
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has dunphy jacked it in?
This is exactly the position Liam Brady has been saying, why do you flag him as "blinded by his allegiance"?Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
*Falls off chair :)Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
sadlier called for Trap to be sacked even if we qualified for the euros and even if we did well! says it all reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
I thought Sadlier came across as a whinger and made a bit of a balls of himself to be honest. So I guess he filled in for Dunphy pretty well. He went too far and the other guys who had been attacking the management ended up defending them to some extent. But then the whole thing seems to be increasingly about the show rather than any actual analysis.
Didn't like the aggression in the interview with Trap from O'Donoghue which came across as just plain rude and O'Herlihy just wanted to stir things up as much as possible.. just more of the hysterical attitude that makes watching games on TV ever more annoying.
I think the only solution is a Battle Royal featuring RTE Panel, TV3 Panel, Sky Panel, MOTD Panel and Setanta Panel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Bill gets first shot on the Trident.
I can't recall who described Bradys analysis these days as comparable to Brad Pitt trying to review an Angelina Jolie movie ...but not a bad comparison.
I'm sick of Sadlier already. He talks in a bizarre put-on glove puppet voice and all.
What happened Graham Souness anyway? Did he just grow weary of it all? He always seemed a little exasperated.
Or Blinky Hamann? Bring back Blinky!
Slightly off topic, but can you separate the man (Trapp) from the tactical approach? Are they not inseparable? I have no problem with his tactical approach away from home but I fear for us in every home game (Faroes apart just). Even if we had Sir Alex Ferguson as our manager, I don't belive we would have gone 2 campaigns and a bit unbeaten away from home but I suspect we would have done better at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Team selection is a separate issue and Trapp's stubborness (loyalty?) is irritating to say the least but I think the Paul Green thing is a bit of a red herring. How many competitive games has he started for us? I think McCarthy should be in the team and I fear a Whelan/Andrews combination in forthcoming games. But so be if that happens. My rattles shall remain in the pram and please God so will the RTE Panel's (back on topic).
p.s. I agree that Messrs Whelan and Hamilton were negative throughout but you've got to remember with George that once a team takes the lead, he never foresees an equaliser and....oh, danger here!!
Why is Dunphy not on there anymore?
yeah, Anchorman style! tonight the streets run red with Shearer's blood!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
I reckon Roddy Collins could do a lot of damage with a broken bottle
Have to say I really enjoyed the squabble last night with someone (Brady) actually standing up to Dunphy and Laughing Bill (who only laughed a small bit). He was so much in Dunphy's face that he accused Brady of being against free speech and actually gave up and passed the argument over to Giles. That's what the Panel should have been about for the past 20+ years. Debate rather than "I agree with John/Eamon" as nauseum. As Giles and Dunphy made their points I could hear O'Herlihy in the background saying "exactly", "correct" - is he not supposed to be neutral? O'H also grumpily said "We'll have an interview with Trappatoni coming up". He seems to have forgotton his first name.
Whether you agree with Brady or not you have to hand it to him for standing up to the three of them. That was good television.
I agree it was good television. He was really only standing up to Dunphy though. Giles doesnt use hyperbole, so that was just sensible discussion between the two. Bill...well, Bill nods alot.
A far better performance from Brady though compared to his performance after the Kazak game. Perhaps he doesnt have the legs to match the whipper snapper Sadlier?;)
It's possible to watch the discussion again here:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/player/734/341964/
Anyone pick up on Dunphy's "McCarthy's been treated disgracefully" comment and then McCarthy saying within moments "the boss has been brilliant with me".Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
A moment to savour.
Yeah, I picked up on that last night and the general vibe that all talk of having 'lost the dressing room' may not be so cut in stone.
Ken Early mentioned it on Newstalk last night as well: http://media.newstalk.ie/newstalk/me...mp3/1610FS.mp3Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
on 33:30 minutes, he said that Robbie Keane made it clear that he still supports Trapattoni, and arguments happen in every squad every week
another (unnamed) player said that he's been in teams where the manager has lost the dressing room, and this is not it
Can anyone tell me how the meeja know so much about the inner workings of everything? I watched the discussion yesterday early morning before work and was loving how Brady stuck it to Dunphy and then the players rolling out (especially McCarthy - class act of a kid) and backing the manager. Bill needs to retire to his PR company and stop this crap, he was once a good journalist, now he's a bitter ringmaster of no note. Giles was decent and you could almost hear him say "Leave me out of this." Best panel for a while and thank god Sadlier wasn't on, sadly he started his "career" too shrill and now can only get shriller (if that's the word), at least Dunphy can roll along and siccker people in - how about his "we can win the euro's, we've a good team" crap!
Either they say that or they have to walk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Thats the reality. Players say these things in interviews all the time. Means absolutely nothing.
There are ways of saying these things. You don't have to say "The manager has been brilliant to me". You can simply say "he has my support", "I wouldn't like him to leave". Someone who has been treated "disgracefully" doesn't or wouldn't use the word "brilliant".Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
Are we supposed to believe that the players had one those famous 'revolts against the system' at half time against the Faroese and decided to change things in the 2nd half?
According to James McCarthy, the manager just told them to keep playing on they would get the winQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Okay so if we shouldnt take any heed of what the players are actually saying where do we get the notion from, that Trap has "lost the dressing room"? and what substantiates that notion?Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
But there was a big change in emphasis, so I don't think James was listening too closely to the half time team talkQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
or he didn't give a full account of what Trap said.
Regardless, there was a radical change for the positive in the 2nd half, but at least no one is coming out with player rebellion conspiracies in order to explain the cause.
POS will back me up on this. Seconds before Wilson scored I said "look, a full back has gone beyond half way" as if it was something to behold. I think that might have been the first change of tack that was encouarged.
The FBs did occasionally venture forward in the first half. Sure I nearly fainted when I saw Coleman make a scything run into the Faroes box after about 20-25 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I counted a few Westwood hand passes in the 2nd half, maybe he was just resting his toes after the first half exertions.
There was one occasion, Westwood was just about to punt it upfield out of habit, but then faltered mid stride with some degree of consternation after he noticed McCarthy was there waiting for the ball to be thrown to him.
The whole Euro shenanigans of Bill and Dunphy leading the bandwagon for Ireland to make the knockouts for no real apparent reason and then leading the calls for traps head is very strange, I wonder if it was some concerted effort to hype him up for a fall to get rid of him because surely two experienced lads who've been watching this team for 4 years would know better than to predict that and react so strongly when what the neutral expected happened. Brady called it right for the Euro's, he's calling it right now. Giles seems a bit embarrassed by all thats happening, he's a man of rationality who doesn't like the hype and tabloid garbage. He's well out of his comfort zone with the line of chat thats been going on with the panel lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
But yeah, whatever about Dunphy and Sadlier who are paid to be irritable Bill as the anchor has been an outright pain in the ass pushing his own agenda which should be completely unacceptable. Time for him to move on.
No player came out in an interview and said that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
What's your point?
That's my point. No player has come out and said/implied the manager has lost the dressing room. In fact 3 that I can think of off hand in the last 48hrs have said the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
Yet 'having lost the dressing' appears to be getting cited as fact and another reason why Trap should have been bulleted.
When have you ever heard of a player coming out publicly in the media and saying a manager has lost the dressing room?
It doesn't really happen.
Not explicitly no, I agree. However if they do come out in support of the manager we have to disregard it completely...I see.
So do you think the dressing room is lost or not? If not, not sure why we are continuing this line of discussion. If you do, what are you basing that on?
sort of related, RTE have had to issue an apology to Delaney and Trapattoni: http://www.rte.ie/news/morningireland/
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On our Morning Ireland sports bulletin just after 8.30am yesterday morning, we featured a piece between Darren Frehill and our soccer correspondent Tony O'Donoghue in which we stated that it was generally believed that mixed messages had been given to the media about the future of the Senior Manager's position and that the Chief Executive of the FAI John Delaney was the Senior FAI Source responsible for these rumours. RTÉ and Tony O'Donoghue would like to unreservedly apologise to the CEO John Delaney for these statements made on our programme which were untrue.
We would also like to apologise for the general tone of that particular exchange.
Whether or not Delaney was Freehill's /TOD's source or another's source, a blabbermouth journalist who can't protect the identity of the FAI source, lacks the required integrity to to take their beating on the chin.
The media made a total mess of this week. Did anyone else listen to the the love-in on Off the Ball after the Germany game where fine journalists like Fanning, Sadlier and Early smugly reminisced on the end of Trap's reign as manager. They spent an entire show talking as if the sacking had already happened only to do a retake after the FAIs statement. Then they proceeded to rewrite the whole event and portray Trapattoni as a master manipulator who had pulled th wool over everyone's eyes.
The boys were twittering about it from early morning and putting the story out before they even got on air. This is what happens when journo's figure they can make the news rather than just report it. Looks like Maggie Thatcher's wetdream is coming through, we're almost fully re-integrated with the motherland!
Sure how would I know? I was only responding to your previous comment that Trap had not lost the dressing room based on the supportive words of the players, which I feel is rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
One of those players was Keane, who was sitting beside Trap at the time.
You think Shane Long is happy being left on the bench as he bangs in goals weekly at Premier League level?
His treatment has been an absolute disgrace.
Strangely that's what the media said about James McCarthy who said recently that the manager has been "brilliant" to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by dong
If you call banging in goals "weekly" 11 in 40 game for WBA then it must be a short year for you. Shane has had 31 caps for us and scored 1 competitive goal. I don't think he is an obvious starter when it's a choice of two from Keane, Walters, Cox, Doyle and Long. Ahead of Cox ok but the others each have an arguable case.
I almost coughed my Pinot Noir all over the mother in law on Saturday night when I heard Brendan O'COnnor interviewing Laughing Bill who when asked should Trapp be sacked said "I know I am supposed to be neutral but.....". You haven't been neutral about any manager Bill since Dunphy joined the show.
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If you call banging in goals "weekly" 11 in 40 game for WBA then it must be a short year for you. Shane has had 31 caps for us and scored 1 competitive goal. I don't think he is an obvious starter when it's a choice of two from Keane, Walters, Cox, Doyle and Long. Ahead of Cox ok but the others each have an arguable case.
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Totally agree. I like Long and I would start him but Trap picking Walters ahead of him for Germany and then Keane\Walters for Faroe cannot be called disgraceful. But it's understandable that people think Long is some sort of super star the way he is now protrayed by Irish pundits\media. He is the latest stick to beat Trap with now that he has played Coleman and McCarthy. For example Dunphy was on about him constantly at halftime in the Faroes game and threw out the "stat" that Long had 5 Premier league goals to his credit. Completely wrong, he had two at that stage, his other three goals came from Oman friendly and two in the league cup against a division 1 team. Still, why let facts get in the way a good rant.
Just to add balance to this stat, Long has started a total of two competitive games for Ireland (he has started just one competitive game under Trapattoni). Out of 31 caps, he has 8 goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan