Not sure about his mother but from what I remember his paternal grandparents are Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
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Not sure about his mother but from what I remember his paternal grandparents are Irish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Pretty sure both Crowley's parents were born in England.
Crowley's paternal grandparents are from Waterford and both his parents are heavily involved in the Irish community in Coventry, so is it fair to assume that there is Irish on both sides?
I was assuming that one of his parents may have been born in Ireland because it gets mentioned that he visits his 'folks' during the summers in Ireland. I thought the most logical assumption was that it was his grandparents living here but it may be extended family or perhaps his grandparents moved back, as opposed to one of his parents being Irish-born. CD cleared things up as regards his father. Completely unsure about his mother's background but her involvement in the Irish community would nod towards an Irish background herself (or being dragged along by her husband to make sandwiches for after gaelic football matches, that's conceivable too!).
The litmus test would be if he pronounces his own surname as 'Cr-o-ley' or 'Cr-ow-ley'...
The 'Crow-' is pronounced as if it rhymes with 'cow' the animal rather than 'crow' the bird, right? At least that's always how I've pronounced that surname. Of course, many rounded English accents struggle to pronounce that 'ow/ou' sound as sharply as an Irish or Scottish accented person might pronounce it.
Most/all people pronounce it like the bird. I blame Ozzy Osbourne for confusing everyone.
That's surprised me. Maybe I've been mishearing it. I don't personally know any Crowleys, but I always recall a Kerry GAA player called Johnny Crowley and I was pretty sure I was always hearing commentators say it as if it rhymed with "cow".
Surely Olé Olé's litmus test would suggest there is more than one pronunciation of the surname in common use? Which do you say is the "more authentic", Olé?
There was the RTE presenter Carrie Crowley whose name was pronounced the cow way (no reflection on her) but I have no idea if that's how she did. I reckon most people look at it and think that's how it's pronounced. I grew up with a guy who pronounced it like crow, but people said it the cow way anyway. Aleister Crowley clarified he pronounced it to rhyme with holy.
Tbh, don't think it really matters!
I think you could write a book about the things you don't think matter, AB. In fact, I could write a book about the things you've said don't matter on here. I know more about what you don't think matters than what most of the people on here actually think matters. If only you'd only actually follow it through to its logical conclusion and stop saying you don't think things matter.
Er, this really doesn't matter...that response being a case in point...
No one pronounces that name like the bird. And the fact that cd came on and said they do just reinforces that for me.
I'd have said it rhymes with roly poly myself.
Maybe it's snother Dub v Culchie thing.
I think he is getting conflustered with cawley, Crawley etc.
Udder stupidity to get so bovvered.
Yeah and there's currently another Crowley on the Kerry team at present and I'm sure the entire media (even Des Cahill) pronounce it to rhyme with "cow".Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I've known a few Crowley's and none pronounced to rhyme with the bird. It's a very culchie name, I'll admit. The only thing I can offer for the Dubs is Trevor Croly. Now, that'd be one to rhyme with the bird.
Maybe it's the culchie in me coming out here, but I'd view rhyming Crowley with the bird "crow" in line with rhyming Cahill with 1/7th of a week i.e. "day".
EDIT: I've just remembered, I know a Crowley from Waterford who most definitely pronounces it to rhyme with "cow". QED?
Danny.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
John Crowley was a superb Kerry forward from about 97-2007.
I've always, and I'm pretty sure other Kingdomite would back this claim up, referred to him as Johnny C-Row-Lee, not Crow-lee.
The same goes for the current Kerry Centre-back Peter Crowley.
Ya but youre from dublin :P
That hurts POS, hurts to the bone. If a dog is born in a barn does that make him a horse?Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
You should have this as your signature, AB:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
What is mind?
Does it matter?
What is matter?
Never mind! :)
There was a big accountancy firm HQd in Dublin, Stokes Kennedy Crowley, bought by KPMG. Locals definitely pronounced it like the bird rather than bovine.
I think you're being insensitive to dual animal classification issues. I think the dog should be allowed to call himself a horse if he wants. Do we know why he was born in a stable? Perhaps he descended from horses and is very proud of his equine heritage. Perhaps he raced at Cheltenham as a puppy. However, if he tweets woof even while wearing horseshoes it will clearly mean that he is a dog and that's it, even if he asks for time to sort out his identification issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Only when people talk complete drivel...Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
;)
And that 'rhyme', original? If so, almost impressed...
Afraid not. It's usually attributed to George Berkeley in some form or another.
So is that bark like a dog or berk like "you silly berk" Danny?
Do you know where the term "berk" comes from?
Apparently it has its roots in rhyming slang. Berkshire Hunt = ?
Ironically Berkshire is pronounced Barkshire.
Jees, I associate it with Homer Simpson.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I think a spot of barking mad cow disease has broken out here.
dittoQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
I think its, if a donkey is born in a stable does it make him a horse, more similar genetic makeup, attributes and characteristics to a horse than a dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
If you read that author from Limerick who by all accounts sounded like a bit of knob you would have read the quote in there. :P
You can be wherever you want to be from. Who won the All-Ireland this year?! oh ya the Kingdom....
It was hard to be a supporter during the late 80's and early 90's, living in Dublin, supporting Kerry. Damn bloody hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Which author from Limerick? That phrase is often misattributed to Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington, who was born in Dublin. It is assumed that he denied any possible Irish identity whilst instead favouring to identify solely as British. It was actually Daniel O'Connell who first used it though in order to mock Wellesley and deny his right to claim himself a true Irishman simply by virtue of having been born in Dublin.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I assume he means Frank McCourt.
Indeed, I'd made a post earlier having initially forgotten McCourt was born in New York, but I guess he may well have used the phrase to assert his Irishness, although it certainly wouldn't have been his originally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
No it wasn't attributed to him either, but he quoted it in his book from a Professor in New York. Born in New York and returned to New York, but grew up in Limerick.
Interesting that I said he sounded like a knob that CD knew from that I was on about him :P
'Tis.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
2 in the opening 29 minutes for Crowley at Anderlecht in the Youth League - it's 2-2 now.
He ended up with a hat-trick after winning and converting a penalty for his third, although Arsenal lost 4-3. Highlights here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUtvE_zkk8
Just Crowley's goals here: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...705382&fref=nf
Some lovely stuff.
Defending definitely is the lost art then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
FWIW Crowley wasn't named in the England squad for their recent U19 qualifiers. The FAI are hosting Ireland's U19 games in Waterford in a few weeks: http://www.uefa.com/under19/season=2...hes/index.html
I'd imagine the squad will be named around the 1st November.
As with all other dual-nationality players, you can read whatever you want into it.