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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
CEO of Supermacs Pat McDonagh today announced that he will be supporting Galway United STFC in there application for a licence this season.
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Originally Posted by Louth4sam
The CEO and directors of Galway United did a brilliant job of probably setting football in Galway back 10 years and have now ridden off into the sunset, leaving the supporters to pick up the pieces and do the only thing they can do. This isn't some sort of trick or master-plan on the part of the trust. GUST did everything they could to save Galway United but seeing as the owners of the club seemed determined to do the opposite, what happened unfortunately was inevitable. I know in my heart that Galway United shouldn't have been in the Premier in 2011 or 2010 for that matter. Maybe not even the league. Not with the criminal within an asses roar of the club. Whatever about 2010, as much as the fans including myself prayed United would get a licence for 2011, the dogs on the street knew what Leeson was up to, but Delaney and Co. were happy to gloss over it and pat them on the back for the great fund-raisers they done, like the big formal event with God knows how many suppliers that were never paid. God forbid they get an accountant to actually test any of the ludicrous figures he must have given them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Anyone having a go at the Galway United Supporters Trust should try to understand the situation and see the herculean efforts they put in over the years and continue to as they attempt to build something that they surely deserve at chance to develop themselves, using the common sense and honesty they have always been known for as long as I've known them. Anyone that has dealings with them will find this out for themselves.
John Fallon, Colm Feeney, Peter Gilhooley, Dave Curtis, Tom McEvaddy, Billy Brogan, Donal Downes, John McCormack and Nial O'Reilly were the board that appointed Leeson CEO in 2007. They should be hung, drawn and quartered for giving possibly the most notorious liar and fraudster in the world control of the club and free reign to do what he liked without any oversight whatsoever.
Some of the aforementioned had alter-egos that, shock-horror, actually seem to know how to run a sensible business and aren't bad at it either. Some others were allegedly :rolleyes: clueless chancers starstruck by having the rogue trader on speed-dial. I can't understand how the latter ever managed to be taken seriously at any level in the business world. That said, they might not have been until they stumbled across Galway United...
Someone mentioned the DVD. Even the guy who made the effing thing had to go to great lengths to get paid.
they appointed nick as a commerical manager back in 2005, see http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/0416/galway.html. He named himself as CEO of the club in 2007 when none of the then board wanted the position. As you can see from that report the madness was already well set in in the club even before his appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
If you are implying that GUST kept gate receipts from the relegation play-offs which where due to be allocated to Monaghan United, this is totally incorrect. Both clubs were allocated the gate receipts from their own home leg of the play-off, as per the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Galway united were obviously in no shape to compete in the premier division both on the field and off the field. Running up debts they couldn't afford deprived a well run club in Monaghan a place they deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Well then why wait until you are relegated until you make a stand? Maybe if GUST made a stand then, when there really was some sacrifice then you might gain a bit more sympathy from some quarters. Very convenient setting up a "new" club that will be debt free and I assume will buy back the Galway United crest and history at a future date.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
So what do we do so as the application from Galway united fc has been withdrawn and that name and company is been run/owned by the directors along with all the debths that they are responceable for So the only option open to the fans who want a club to support in the league of ireland is to apply for licence as a new club ,they have the experiance of last year behind them as the kept united afloat to the best of their ablityQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Only option??? Are you serious? There are already two clubs in Galway why not approach one of those instead of setting up a "new club"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
So basically stop being fans of Galway United and become fans of Mervue or Salthill instead?
Sorry most galway fans dont live in those "parishes"Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
I thought Galway United are gone so I don't see your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
A holding company is gone (or at least probably going). Just like at Cork, Derry and to some extent Shamrock Rovers etc. Are you as annoyed about what happened with them as may be happening at Galway? Or do you just want Galway United to go away?
And were you annoyed when Dundalk had issues a few years ago and had to cut player wages weeks after signing new ones?
GUFC or GUST have offered to meet both SDFC & MUFC but they are not interested. As for SDFC & MUFC merging not a hope.
We have the support of the Local FA,Connacht FA and all Junior Clubs in the City & County as being the only way forward for Soccer in Galway City & County. Over 90% of the debt is Bank related and GUST have undertaken to pay all footballing debts from the 2011 season ie the ones we are responsible for.
The Supporters group are owed a large six figure amount from the holding company.
That is the single most ridiculous comment I've read on foot.ie for a long time and that's saying something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
No, what is a lot more ridiculous is that Galway United - or any other club - should just fold (reneging on liabilities) and restart as if nothing happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
If it genuinely wants to start from scratch then start at non league level - like any other "new club" would.
Slightly less annoyed as at least they were relegated as punishment. I think it's a disgrace that clubs can walk away from debts and then buy back the clubs history a year later. A dangerous precedent had been set with Cork and Derry and I could see other clubs going that route as it's an easy option and Galway are the first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
The FAI should have stopped this by insisting that if a new club is formed then they are that. No history, use of crest, same name etc.
Finn harps had financial problems recently, why bother fund-raising why not just fold and form a new club?
I like almost every Dundalk fan was annoyed at the time. We should have received some sort of punishment from the FAI but I'm not surprised that we didn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
What part of bank debt owed by the previous holding company is not liable to GUST do you not understand?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
GUST will honour the debts they accrued, but why should they be responsible for the directors loans and bank debt built up by the previous regime
GUST have never had control of a football club. They were running it during the 2011 season because the directors abandoned it. The people who did this have ****ed off.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
I responded to a post saying "So the only option open to the fans who want a club to support in the league of ireland is to apply for licence as a new club" that there are two other clubs in Galway you could support
Ah i get it, what you are saying it is ok for fans of clubs to ditch the clubs that are in debt to set up new clubs? Great stuff. I must bring this up at the next Dundalk supporters trust meeting as the club owes a far sum.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufcfan
On second thoughts maybe I'll wait until we are relegated first as no point in going down a division unless we have to
Dundalk goes bust in the morning. What do you do, buy a Drogheda United jersey and go to Monster Munch Park in March? Cop on would you... Mervue despise Galway United and Devon wouldn't be any fan of the club either.
Ive Followed GUFC for 35 years and I go to see the other 2 teams but I would never support one of them. If Dundalk were in the same situation would you follow Drogheda build a bridge and get over your bitterness.
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Originally Posted by gufcfan
Firstly Galway United didn't go bust. GUST are walking away from themQuote:
Originally Posted by gufct
And secondly If I was in the same situation I would probably do the exact same thing GUST are doing. It doesn't make it any less wrong. One thing I wouldn't be doing is coming on here and trying to defend my actions and asking fans of other clubs for support. I have no problem with GUST they are not doing anything that hasn't been done before. The problem is with the FAI
Agreed on all of this. But unfortunately the precedent is there and it would be unfair to deny GUST the same opportunity others have had, in some cases several times over. At least the GUST guys really tried to turn the old ship around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
But I've said it before and I'll say it again- if licensing is not there to prevent clubs running up debts, walking away from them and then starting again, what is it actually for? At some point they have to address this properly- but I think to do so now with GUST as the scapegoat would not be right.
There should be a period of five years at the very least before new entities can start claiming even the remotest of links with those gone before. There has to be a disincentive to this behaviour- otherwise there will be more and more of it. If Harps had had the option of following this route would we have been able to motivate people to work their butts off to keep the show on the road? Maybe not.
Why not? GUST have done nothing wrong, a lot of people like yourself have come on here spouting rubbish when they don't know all the factsQuote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
That's the crux of the problem. Where do you draw the line in the sand, if you allow GUST to become Galway United at a later date then what about the next club that tries to go down this route? Surely they deserve the same opportunity and the next club after that and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I don't think that anybody is arguing that GUST haven't tried to turn the ship around as you put it, but somebody needs to be the scapegoat if not now then when?
Galway United would never have been given a licence for 2012, which is the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
Agreed. Licensing is an absolute sham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
The line in the sand should come after a clear statement and amendment of rules from the FAI. That way the next club to run into the issue cannot really complain too much.
2011 - Galway United heavilly in debtQuote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
2012 - GUST FC is born. Start debt free
2013 - GUST FC renamed Galway United. Galway United are now debt free while clubs around them are up to their necks in debt.
It doesn't matter who owns the club. Galway United FC will likely be debt free this time next year. I really can't see how you can't see how this is unfair to other clubs
What part of "new club" do you not understand ? If they area new club then start at the bottom - like any other new club if they are the "old club" then pay whet they owe. changing directors/owners is not a new club.Quote:
Originally Posted by gufc2000
The fact that this "cut and paste" approach to clubs has, wrongly, been allowed before does not mean it should continue to be allowed. The FAI gave Galway a break last year on licencing rules, and this is where it got them.
* By the way not having a go at Galway or GUST - who put in great efforts - but simply pointing out the flaws in the current system
If the FAI had any balls they would never have allowed 3 clubs in galway ,they have created the problem and kept their head in the sand, they should have shown leadership and direction and some time back brought the three clubs togeather into one room and planned a way forward for Galway soccer which is now in a complete shambles from u10 up to senior ,with so many average local players playing loi it had diluted junior soccer and standards have plumited--mr Gavin,Delaney,Naughton are planning their trips to poland HA HA
I can't believe this Christmas tree molester has got so many bites.
Was it not the FAI that begged them to go forward with the applications in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
Galway United would never have needed to give either of those teams a second thought if it had been run with any sort of common sense. They have no fans. Granted some of the tiny pool of advertising revenue is taken by them, but with a competently run Galway United they are not even on the radar. Parish clubs who can't even garner support from the housing estate/bog that they are situated in.
They lost the play off so they didnt deserve to be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louth4sam
If it was the other way round would Mons say no its grand we dont want the bigger crowds in the prem we will drop down to the 1st,not a chance they would.
Bottom line for me is if a club leaves the league or is forced out due to mounting debts then no licence should be issued to a new group trying to maintain loi status ,most people feel that a club must leave the league and start over,of course I reserve my right to change my opinion if it's my club.
Some very valid points about the re-formation of clubs and the re-use of old names. The core problem is the ownership of clubs. In the past Galway United have been owned by benevolent local businesspeople who had the best interests of the club and community at heart. Supporters contributed financially through fundraisers. This model worked reasonably well, even if there were issues from time to time in relation to decision making.
An element emerged to take control over the past few years, from outside Galway and with no long-term roots in the business community. The FAI licencing system is not unfortunately not sufficiently structured to monitor or block these type of individuals (see Cork City). The FA have a fit and proper person test.
GUST just want a chance to re-establish a members owned, city and county team at the lowest national level possible. If the A Championship was in place we would have settled for an A licence.
I wouldn't be saying that too loudly, seeing as you're looking to be the third now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
thats my point the other 2 dont represent galway as such just their local; parishes we need a representation covering county galway and its surrounding areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But both of these are I would imagine sure to get a first div licence while ye are at the mercy of the gods (or in this case one god).