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Interview with Pete Mahon. Penalty (and red card) incident is there too
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http://youtu.be/INsrtu3d1l8
Interview with Pete Mahon. Penalty (and red card) incident is there too
Definite peno, if Rogers doesn't throw himself in front of Dawson, Dawson gets to the ball without question because of the lack of pace the ball is moving at. If he gets to the ball, he scores. So on that basis Rogers has denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and its a red. I've seen referees not give the red when they've also given the penalty so there can be a lack of consistency, but the red should definitely be given too. I mean what happens if the penalty is missed? The offending team has completely gotten away with fouling to stop a clear goalscoring opportunity.
In fairness the shells lads (fans) deserve a day in the sun after all they ****e they had to deal with, could conceivably be in europe and in the 1st div next season thou :P
for our co eff sake I hope shells promote but loose the final and it (europa place) goes to a premier div club thou!
Saying that a cup win, european footie and promotion would probably mean they would be a pretty decent outfit next season
As far as I'm concerned, over the course of these 2 games I reckon we've shown we're as good as if not better than Pats at least. We certainly won't be sending Shamrock Rovers into panic next season if we go up but with a few quality additions we could definitely comfortably grace the top half of the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
Yep no way Dawson would ever miss a sitter in an important game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
You should give the referee a ring and tell him that Dawson actually isn't great in clear goalscoring opportunities and to rescind the red card.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
That would be the penalty taker's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
Never a sending off for Rogers, absolute disgrace of a decision
HIBS/SLAVIA/PATS4EVER, You said pats would def win............... :-) always next year
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Originally Posted by superjohnny
And they would have if the ref had a brain ;)
Can't blame the ref for last nights performance or Fridays for that matter!
or Pete Mahon wasn't so defensiveQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever
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Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture
Can and will :D
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Originally Posted by bennocelt
Agree completely, regarding the first game on Friday
If they deserve a day in the sun for their troubles then we've built up enough troubles to mean we should dominate Irish football for at least the next 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
My reaction at the time was it was a deserved penalty and red card and I don't see anything from those clips to change my mind. I know its easy to say now but I wasn't worried about us after conceding the goal. We kept our heads up and we were well in the game before the penalty incident. Like I said Pats had their chance on Friday. They didn't do enough in either game and thats why they're out.
I think "throw[ing] himself in front of" the player is a bit over the top. There's more of an element of the Shels player running into the keeper, with both players being generally clumsy. Maybe a peno; you could argue the defender was going to clear anyway, so the red card was harsh.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSFShels
I believe refs should be less inclined to send players off than they appear to be. Every foul seems to merit at least a yellow card with some refs.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I could be wrong but people do not pay into a match to watch a ref (I wish a few of our refs would realise that).
Red card should be for dangerous/serious offences only. Lets try and keep it 11 V 11. Would the match last night have been worse off if ref had not flashed red (similar question RE Friday night) ?
Thanks for the Youtube link Dodge. I know this makes absolutely no sense, but here goes anyway - if I was a Shels fan, I'd be screaming for a red card and a penalty. If I was a Pats fan, I'd be furious to have a penalty given against us, never mind having the 'keeper sent off.
Thought it was a soft penalty myself but the red was very harsh. Wasn't at the game but I'm sure that gave Shels an advantage for the remainder of the game.
You can see from the reactions here that (most) Shels fans think it was a pen. (Most) Pats fans disagree. Others are mixed too.Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
A shels fan on their forum even said it should've even been a free out as Dawson ran into Rogers :)
Absolutely no doubt it changed the game, but thats football for you.
Thought it was a very harsh decision for the penalty & no way was it a red card offence.
To be fair Dodge, there was some debate on here about Shels red card on Friday night as well.Shels appeared (I didn't see last nights game) to deal better with red card on friday than Pats did last night although I think they were helped on Friday by Pats not finishing it off when they had a great oppurtunity (11 V 10 and a goal lead). Do believe red card last night was harsh - surely pen was "punishment" enough ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
In a situation like that for me it has to be both or neither. If the referee deems it a foul, then I think Rogers has to go because the defender ain't getting there to clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by d rovers
I honestly think both red cards were harsh (even though I was delighted when the keeper was sent off last night!). But there can be no doubt about the pen in my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
The big difference between the two teams was how they adjusted to playing with 11 men against 10 - Shels moved the ball around and stretched Pats, Pats on Friday seemed to go long ball very quickly. As for the earlier comment that Pats were outplaying Shels until the sending off that is utter nonsense, the game was very even (only one chance for each team) with Shels just shading it as their midfield was on top. I thought, after Friday, that Pats couldnt play as bad again...but I was wrong. Was talking to a couple of Pats lads before the game and they were decidedly pessimistic about the game, I now know why!
Pats players don't deserve a cup final after their behaviour earlier in the year.
The Shels players, equally don't deserve a cup final after their behaviour either.
Lets just give the cup to Sligo
Yep, the unproven internet driven stories....that's enough to condemn a team for....not a fan of Shels are we EP :)) Its ok though, when you've been in the League of Ireland more than 2 years we'll grow on you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
I don't think it was a penalty. If its a penalty, its a red card (I think the ball should've be called back as the throw was taken 5 yards form where it went out too...).Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
And the difference between Friday's red card (which i though was wrong too), was that last night's also gave them a goal (though the penalty). So that incident changed the game from 1-0 Pats (11 v 11) to 1-1 (Shels with a man advantage and pats with sub keeper in (who's useless).
I'm not saying Shels couldn't have won anyway, but I don't think anyone could argue that the ref's decision didn't change the game.
I've yet to see a game where a ref hasn't made a mistake. Some bigger than others. While I might give my opinion on incidents, I don't get worried about it as sometimes we get on the right side of these decisions. Even though I'm obviously gutted to be knocked out again, whats done is done
are you telling me that you don't think theres a strong possiblity the game was thrown? that Philly Hughes penalty looks very dodgy to me and I'd question your keepers positioning for at least 2 of the goals. not to mention the lack of effort throughout your teamQuote:
Originally Posted by S.E.P.1990
don't worry though, you can bet against Shels next Saturday, they won't need to throw that game to lose
If you watched Delany as much as I do you would know he has an awful habit of going walkabout in his box. Also Hughes has missed 3 pens (Sheriff, Crettyard and Waterford) this season, are they all as a result of betting scams?? There is no doubt in my mind that the game was not thrown, however they did play absolutely awful and deserved to lose. Again, this is Shels who like to do the unlikeliest things. But carry on with your internet theories. BTW Lee Harvey Oswald may not have shot JFK (just to give you the heads up on that one)...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Bring it on, we'll be flying after the cup heroics do don't get your hopes up. I'm over for it so all that's left to say is...Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...76_468x286.jpg
i dont think the penalty Hughes missed against Waterford was intentional, would be pretty impressive if it was. not sure who the other one was againstQuote:
Originally Posted by S.E.P.1990
but scooping the ball over the bar like he did, for someone with his record...
What's the estimate for Shels fans at final?
Somewhere between 2,000-3,000 I would imagine
Is the joys of being a footballer......Quote:
but scooping the ball over the bar like he did, for someone with his record...
What would be more impressive if Shels managed to tell the Sheriff player to hit a cracking shot from 40 yards into the top corner.Quote:
i dont think the penalty Hughes missed against Waterford was intentional, would be pretty impressive if it was.
Hard to tell, would be hoping for around 4,000 - 5,000 I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shano Mac
you don't think it would be possible for Shels to concede another goal in the time allowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by S.E.P.1990
do me a favour, watch the highlights again, but this time, take the blinkers off
Who knows? Can't predict the future of a game. But do me a favour and provide the proof instead of talking out of the side of your mouth.Quote:
you don't think it would be possible for Shels to concede another goal in the time allowed?
do me a favour, watch the highlights again, but this time, take the blinkers off
you are about the only Shels fan I've seen who isn't at least a little suspicious. maybe it is just a coincidence that people were discussing half time shels, full time sheriff on the day of the game and before as if it were fixed and then lo and behold thats what happens
maybe Philly really did just miss hit the penalty that badly, maybe Dean Delaney is that bad of a keeper that hed be that far off his line with the opposition in possession so far up the field, and maybe hes so bad that he was badly positioned for the free and maybe the flapping was not intentional.
Maybe your midfield and defence went completely to sleep in the second half.
I dunno, if it were my team I'd want an investigation and anyone involved kicked out of my club
But your starting remark was that shels didn't deserve to win the cup because of what they had done. There was no preamble about investigations or suspicions, you were stating fact despite there being no evidence. Then you take instances in a game which I have attempted to explain from the point of view of someone who watches shels every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
So people discussed a possible being scenario about a game...what a shock....
BTW if it was found that anything untoward happened then I agree with you but I find it hard to believe that no one has been found out yet if it was so obvious. I also hope that the club has looked into this already and found no evidence of wrongdoing.
Let me give you a scenario: team three nil up, team get one back then keeper lets harmless shot go in. Then its three all and the star striker misses twice from five yards, he then misses a crucial penalty. They lose, hundreds of people put on bets which made them money. Fix? Champions league final 2005?
his opinion on who deserved what isn't stating FACT. There's no factual definition of 'deserving' anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by S.E.P.1990
What do you care what he thinks anyway, enjoy your cup final...