She is trying to conduct a hatchet job on McGuinness and she's failing miserably.
Well, without doubt that was the worst "debate" in the history of politics. Dana is a spacecadet!!!
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She is trying to conduct a hatchet job on McGuinness and she's failing miserably.
Well, without doubt that was the worst "debate" in the history of politics. Dana is a spacecadet!!!
Didn't bother, as O'Callaghan is brutal. However, I heard the Dana end piece.... :doctor: (is there a men in white coats thingy?)
McGuinness has been grilled like that all his life, the likes of Miriam won't be a problem. I didn't see the debate but I heard she was a terrible host constantly interrupting people. Shame the likes of Dana and Davis are running, they're just boring and a waste of time really.
So why did he complain in person, and some shinners send an email to get people to complain? The commentary I've heard on it (even on Pat Kenny!) was that he is right to be peed off, but I haven't heard it suggested that he dealt with it particularly well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I've heard a few other snippets - anyone want to deny Sean Gallagher is an unofficial FF candidate now? Even todays half arsed attempt at answering the question hours later, he still puts in a bit about Martin doing well!?!
McGuinness is a bit too thin skinned over the grilling. He can reply firmly and authoritative. Anyone that could take a 6 day and night interrogation at castlereagh without blinking once, you'd imagine that Miriam should not get under his skin.
If it was Bernadette mcAliskey being grilled, she would have ripped Miriam to absolute shreds.
Watched the "debate" today. What a load of crap RTE are handing out to those who fund it. MOC was awful, she showed herself up to be biased, unable to handle proper debate and while slightly better than VB or RT, she was still dreadful. She made nasty comments towards MMCG that should be brought up to the Media watchdog and she should be suspended for them. The one that sickened me most was when the candidates were bickering and MMCG said - "I'll act as peacemaker" and she sneered "you're being ironic". That is bias, that is unprofessional and RTE should be ashamed of themselves. I'm going to be back for the election and my MD vote is beginning to turn green in colour, simply to stick it up the "meejas" backsides.
Most of what has been reported has been just Indo crap. I'm with McGuinness on this one.
I mean in the Herald yesterday Miriam was given a 9/10.
Why does he complain? Of course he should complain if he's been treated harshly, that's not to say he's not well able for it, that's beside the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
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Most of what has been reported has been just Indo crap. I'm with McGuinness on this one.
I mean in the Herald yesterday Miriam was given a 9/10.
That sums up the Independent Group for you. That said their British version is a fantastic liberal newspaper that I buy without fail. I wish their Irish side would take note about reporting news and not their own opinions.
The London independent is no longer owned by INM. But you are right in what you say.
Spud, agree with you that a complaint should be made.
There is no doubt that O'Callaghan leapt across the boundaries of equitable treatment when it came to McGuinness.
The southern reactionaries just can't restrain themselves.
Anyone got the feeling that there is another race, the race to be regarded as the most victimised candidate.
Dana is making the most effort, followed by Norris and McGuinness.
But the difference is that Dana invents the persecution.
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Dana might not have been making anything up. http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1014/president.html
I wonder what is the exact nature of the allegations, before she went off on a solo run I liked some of what she said. She's no dummy and I'd give her a vote before MDH, he just doesn't deserve to get the job.
Anyone else think Sean Gallagher isn't crafty enough to win? I know he'll be protected to a degree by his meeja luvvy friends, same as with MDH and DN, but he's just a bit soft.
Gay Mitchell is doing the wrong thing going after MMCG, he should just stick to saying what he's done rather than try to rubbish others.
No one said she was making it up - she was nuts to put it in the public domain by default. First thing everyone did was go digging, and there it is on a US website...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Looks like it'll be seven years of President Gallagher!
Gallagher 39%
Higgins 27%
McGuinness 13%
Mitchell 8%
Norris 7%
Davis 4%
Dana 2%
I have missed a big chunk of what Gallagher has done to attract such popularity. Or is it just the FF vote finding its way home?
It looks like Michael D has an upper limit to his popularity.
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Originally Posted by geysir
Em, actually.......Geysir kinda did. She had to put it in th epublic domain as it was about to come out anyway. Could get rough for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
I don't think it's over yet. Every poll seems to have a different leader. Although I'm glad to see the flip-flopper in 5th place, and his early momentum floundering.Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
You are correct, Dana didn't invent the allegations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
However, she invents her victimhood. She is a classic victim.
It's a bit worrying really - barely a year since they brought in the IMF, already that 40% of the electorate has forgetten and is willing to vote in someone who was on the FF NEC when the party was signing away our sovereignty! It's quite unbelievable that forgiveness has come so quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Caveat is that this poll was taken before he couldn't bring himself to condemn the last FF Government on Prime Time, and then lied about not having the chance to do so the next day (despite being asked several times by O'Callaghan!)
But - he's the cool guy on Dragons' Den. And promised that he'd use no election posters. You have to vote for him!
This morning I found a Martin McGuinness election flyer under my car….. old habits die hard I guess!
My sister said she was voting for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I explained he is an FFer.
She has changed to Dana.
SUCCESS!!!
And to think people on the other thread claimed Gallagher wasn't an FFer... http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/10/20/...-very-bad-day/
In other news, could even Mossad puncture a tyre in Carrick, and it only blow in Kilcock?
Well from Mullingar the only place on the island to vote in a new FF TD (and a vanker at that). Despite losing a hospital, the barracks going and the town a wasteland. So No. never underestimate how stupid the irish electorate can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
The link you've attached sates back to 2008. When Mr. Gallagher has admitted he was active within that party. I'm a Mary Davis voter/no FF connection but have to highlight the inaccuracy of yet another comment on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
How could the link date (sate?) back to 2008 when it talks about events in 2009 and 2010, and is headed up with today's date?
So stupid in your eyes would be to exercise their democratic right and vote for whomever they choose? Were the British people stupid to elect Tony Blair and his Labour Party 3 years running so? Will they be as stupid to elect the same Labour Party after the current Conservative/Lib Dem coalition goes before the public again? I think electoral "stupidity", as you so eloquently put it, isn't merely reserved for us IrishQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Unless there's something else which is being blocked the article posted concerns a dinner organised in 2008, and a bank loan in 2009 (where you see the connection with his former party regarding this issue is anyone's guess)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Oh and big deal, I put in "sates" instead of dates. Thanks for the correction, your argument is obviously flawed if you're knit-picking like that
He didn't use the word "stupidity" at all, so no need for the inverted commas or the accusation of eloquence. And he didn't say it was reserved for the Irish; he just happened to be talking about the Irish electorate.
And yes, you can vote for whoever you want and still be stupid to do so. They're not mutually exclusive (unless you're saying voting makes you smart?). Given what Fianna Fáil have done to this country - so blatantly - I see no problems in saying it would be stupid to vote for one of their ilk just because they're now nominally Independent.
On the Gallagher stuff - I don't see a problem with highlighting stuff like that for the Presidential race. Gallagher is FF; people need to be reminded of that.
I have no problem conceding the first point, I know he wasn't exclusively talking about the Irish electorate, I was merely pointing out that electorates all over the world do "stupid" things, depending on your own, singular point of view.
Secondly, and again I reiterate, I am not voting for Sean Gallagher, but to stamp him as a FF candidate is misleading. I don't think he'll get elected either by the way but it is obvious to me that his FF-ness is now becoming a much more important issue than it was say 4 weeks ago, when he was insignificant in the polls. To see Michael D, Norris and McGuinness' increasing number of references to Gallagher's former FF connections conveys blatant desperation, all because of 1, more than likely, hyper-inflated, inaccurate poll.
Come off it - Gallagher has continually denied how involved with the party he was, and said he was only a grass roots member interested in local issues. Here he his exposed to being linked to the very top, and it totally undermines how he has tried to downplay just how embedded in the party he was. The money was just resting in my account story undermines his business/ entrepreneurial claims that he has made during the campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebooboys
I think we're aware that you're a supporter of the FF Quango Queen, so of course you're going to support the other candidate cut from the same cloth.
Yes Irish people were and are generally stupid in their voting patterns. Just look at the past - Bertie, Cowen, nice, and lisbon votes, even the Lab/fg mix. An informed electorate? I think notQuote:
Originally Posted by thebooboys
I dont think I have to mention other nations, its not relevant.
And come clean and get off the fence you FFer:rolleyes:
Well that's true. People are stupid, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebooboys
On the rest, what Macy said. And like it or not, it's the way of elections that mud gets slung more at the top.
Anyone who reads what the so-called "quango-queen" received over 15 years on various bodies would rationally discern that in fact per annum the money isn't as significant as that headline a few weeks ago made out, i think it averages at just under 29k p/a. Now considering the other much more exorbitant wages received by higher civil servants, other politicians, board members etc I think that its more reasonable than others might suggest.
In fact if you complain about her salary with Special Olympics Ireland I would be inclined to agree with you, 150k p/a is ridiculous.The money she received p/a from Special Olympics Ireland was far more significant than the other quangos but is it any more ridiculous than what the head of the ESB, various bank chiefs, heads of others received then the answer is no. Some quango chiefs received upwards of 600k. In that context she isn't the worst offender
With regards to Gallagher as far as I'm concerned most members of political parties are encouraged to engage in fundraisers, to say otherwise is being disingenuous. Local party organisations often have dinner dances, race nights, lunches etc and charge. Because Mr. Gallagher at the time was a successful businessman he obviuosly would have known many wealthy people who may have been willing to support their party. Its not much different than organising a dinner @ 100 euro a head. These associates of his had the cash, they willingly supported. He, as a member, obviously tried his best for his party, in 2008
and for the record, I am not and never have been a FF voter. I have voted every shade of the spectrum. All I'm looking for is a bit of balance.
In 2008? He was on the party executive up until earlier this year and he NEVER resigned from the party. He's Fianna Fáil, anyone who votes for him is an idiot - period.
I argued that the link that was posted concerned a story from 2008, a time when Gallagher was a member of that party, and admitted as such. I was merely highlighting the weakness of posting a link dating from 2008, a time when he was admittedly a member of that party.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
How much did she get in expenses? That wouldn't show on the P60 she was so quick to produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebooboys
Again, come off it. This dinner isn't the same as €100 a head cumman dinner dance. To repeat, he's continued to suggest he was just a grassroots member, with no links to the top of the party. This shows otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebooboys
Think this sums the chancer up.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...5.html?start=1
The action is the same, the amount is different that's all. This can obviously be explained through the contacts and business relationships he would have made. For me, its an irrelevant argument. If I was anti-Labour for selling-out on pre election promises would it warrant a discussion about Michael D's organisations fundraising figures too??:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy