Right, I emailed RTÉ sport. Got back to me straight away. They said there's nothing confirmed yet. Waiting on Setanta to respond.
Right, I emailed RTÉ sport. Got back to me straight away. They said there's nothing confirmed yet. Waiting on Setanta to respond.
I'd be surprised if both games weren't shown. It'll be RTE for the home leg and Setanta for the away leg.
The fatal flaw with using the Danish League as a model is that, like Belgium, teams tend to rise up the pyramid through mergers between lower-division clubs, so teams like Pats and Shelbourne north of the Liffey or Rovers and UCD on the other would have fused into superclubs.
I'd say you're right Charlie.
Eh Culloty, Pat's are firmly ensconced on the Southside. Unless you mean the Soccer team in the teacher training college in Drumcondra? Is there one?
Setanta got back to me this morning.
As was suspected they're looking at the second leg.
RTE have confirmed first-leg coverage.
Yeah just read cuyahoga's post
Small anecdote from a conversation with someone I met today in the course of business:
On hearing of my interest in League of Ireland he said the normal predictable stuff - It's great for the league, It will really raise the profile, It shows that there is real quality here, it will boost attendances across the league etc etc.
I gently explored his sporting interests and he declared himself interested in all team sports. He has been to a few rugby internationals and a couple of Heinken Cup matches over the last few years, and has also been to Croke Park for a some of the bigger GAA matches. Occasional attendances at RoI internationals in the Jack Charlton era, but only twice since then. He also declared himself as "interested" in Man U and has been to UK for matches five times in the last 3 years.
It became clear that he is an "avid consumer" of TV sport and was able to dicuss in detail the Ireland V England rugby match, Dublin V Donegal GAA match and the Man U V Arsenal games all of which he watched this weekend on TV.
He lives in Dublin southside and after I talked up the LoI experience and in particular the good matchday experience and facilities at Tallaght Stadium I softly delivered the punch line question (remember all his superlatives about LoI attraciveness post Rovers Europa League breakthrough) - "would you consider going along to a match in Tallaght Stadium?"
"Naw - it's not really my cup of tea!"
Tell him we have tea too and you only need to cue for about 25 minutes to get it at half time.
Let's face it, we all want a little bit of comfort. Comfort and LOI football (or football in Ireland in general) don't go hand in hand. People will go where there are crowds, so if it's a Junior Championship match in Dunleer where the whole community gets out in force, or some big event like Munster vs All Blacks, it's human nature. I always wonder if there is a disconnect between community and senior football because of the lack of local interest. Or I should say, perceived lack of local interest.
Accepting your following point about the Irish loving a bandwagon to hop on, I'm not sure the above stands up that well. Especially if the proposition is Tallaght. Facilities is one of the worst excuses ever, imo. It never stopped people travelling to UK football when the grounds were (albeit more atmospheric) dumps.Quote:
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Ezeikial, don't give up on that person. Keep chipping away. Attitudes won't be changed overnight. Person by person is how it'll be done if we're ever to change decades held attitudes.
Getting someone into the ground the first time is the most important hurdle. If someone goes to a game with a group of Rovers supporters and gets caught up in the atmosphere, they'll be well on the road off the barstool. Of course, this works less well with Bray, as the games I bring people to are inevitably drab losses in the rain to teams from Louth.Quote:
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I take your point - although it's a bigger priority for me to cajole, brow-beat, frog march or otherwise encourage people to Oriel park rather then TallaghtQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Thought Cenny Kunningham made an interesting point on last night's MNS about how once one club from a country reaches a particular stage / level of European football, chances are a bunch of other clubs from that country will follow. Certainly happened with Cyprus.
Rovers only made the breakthrough last week. It'll take time for their profile to grow on the back of last week. Someone involved in marketing will no more about this but I think at least 6 weeks of good coverage is needed to promote any product, event etc. Rovers will be involved in the Europa League from mid September up until mid December. In that period their profile should grow a whole lot more. The green shoots were set last Thursday. They should grow over the next 3-4 months.
I've been thinking about this, Does this mean our Champions will be expected to get into the Europa League group stages from now on?Quote:
Originally Posted by freewheel30
I said last year that there will be an Irish club in the group stages of a European competition within the next 5 years, I know believe there will be another Irish club in the group stages in the next 5 years
I agreed with that call of 5 years as well. I definitely wasn't expecting it this season but within 2-3 years seemed a good possibility. I thought the league was going to have 1 or 2 years of getting to the play-offs consistently but having near misses on the group stage while knocking on the door. Shamrock Rovers blew the door right off it's hinges.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
Rovers have lifted the bar. It's a good point in some respects that other clubs could follow. A monkey, planet of the apes even, has been taken off of the league's back.
We need to be cautious as well though. There will be set-backs along the way. This seasons champions could easily suffer defeat in the Champions League Second Qualifier Round next summer and have no Europa League safety net whatsoever. Teams plotting a course from Europa League Qualifier Round 2 have no room for error, having to get though 3 rounds.
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Although if Shams can pick up some good results, it could raise the league's coefficient, and mean that Irish teams have to go over fewer hurdles by entering at a later round. I think it's the league's coefficient, and not the team's own coefficient that determines at which round you enter
The best we'll get is into the top 27. This will allow the cup winner, like Sligo this year, start in Qualifier Round 3. Ireland will be 31st for next seasons rankings. 15th is needed for league champions to join CLQ3, 15th is also needed for the cup winner to join ELQ4.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
It has been seen in so many other countries over the years. One club pulls away both on footballing terms and economically after success in Europe. Everybody seems to think that Shamrock Rovers qualification to the Europa League will help the League as a whole but in my opinion it will only help Shamrock Rovers and it will leave the rest of the clubs trying to catch up, therefore leading to greater debt for the chasing clubs. Just a thought. Discuss your opinions.
This has been discussed before.
http://foot.ie/threads/154560-Does-t...gue-as-a-whole
My bad
No worries. To answer the question, personally I think the likes of Derry and Sligo can do well in the Europa League. Both are well in contention for the league at the moment but if they are in the Europa League, they can look to make the play-off stage at least. Derry picked up a good fee for the McClean sale as well. The only way I can see a side possibly getting a real strong upper hand is by competing in the Champions League group stages. That's where the bigger bucks are earned.
Yep rovers already held all the aces before making the groups, I don't think it will make much difference unless they can make the groups again next season.
It will certaintly make a difference to Rovers. But as an experience games like this do not help attendances as a whole in the League. For example I often talk about LOI in college with the lads in my course and they turn a blind eye to it. People want to ignore the LOI because it makes them feel less gulity about walking around in their United, Liverpool jerseys etc.. so when Rovers are knocked out of the Europa League and the hype is over, do you thinl these people will began attending games. Not in my opinion? Its a deep lying problem as discussed on here. Maybe it may help Shamrock Rovers financially but hopefully they will progess in Europe without pulling away from the rest of the League both on and off the pitch.Quote:
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Are Rovers likely to pull away from Sligo and Derry? I wouldn't be so sure as as mentioned, Derry got good money for McClean. There are other good revenue streams.
I'd rate Rovers getting to the group stages being good for the league but for the league it will have to be consistent and not consigned to being a once off. Rovers have had it tough going but the experience will do them good. If the league can have 1 or 2 clubs in that stage on a regular basis, the league will deserve certain respect for being at a certain level.
Money doesn't have anything to do with it. Unless Rovers start making so much money they can buy better players from abroad, the dynamic's not going to change that much because you can still only have so many players in your squad. If anything, it looks like Rovers, Sligo and Derry are pulling away from Pat's, Bohs and Dundalk.
What have Derry done to make you think that?
I should rephrase: Pat's, Dundalk and Bohs are pulling away from Rovers, Sligo and Derry, who are more or less standing still at the moment.
I think Derry are sliding back too. But fair enough
i think success breeds success, the performances from the likes of pats, derry and cork over the last few years i think played a small part in rovers performances in europe. It showed to other teams and players that we can compete and win at this level, the teams going into europe next year will look at rovers and say if they can do it then so can we, maybe not group stage but certainly the latter stages of qualifying and who knows, with a bit of luck anything can happen.
Without trying to claim any of your success, they played a HUGE role in rovers progressing as if it wasn't for others, you wouldn't have been seeded in the first round, when you faced a woeful Tallinn side. Lose in that round to a seeded side and you were done for the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by askmehoop
Beating Partizan was all your own work
Was the removal of Derry and Cork from the Premier a few seasons back a help for Rovers? I don't want to take away from Rovers success but I think the league was a bit easier following the demotion of both clubs for non-football reasons. We've seen Derry do well this year in their first season back in the Premier. I doubt Cork can have the same impact of Derry on their return but in the next few years they should be back challenging near the top.
I agree with Charlie, unless Rovers can bring in better players from abroad, they are not going to pull away. I don't think they have that money? I think the top 3 from this year can push each other over the next few years. I can't see one at moment pulling away from the others. Cork will probably get into the mix as well. As for other clubs, I'm not so sure but who knows?
Rovers have used their income wisely in the last few years, they have a purpose built stadium, support from the local council and a large fan base. They were consisent at ome when other clubs wobbled (on and off the field) and caught a good tail wind in Europe - which is what matters. If they want to make the group stage of the EL again next season they have to invest by bringing in more than rejects from english clubs, but they need to do it wisely. Cork, Derry and Pats can do the same with continued good fan support and stability at board level. Sligo have the fanbase and can round out the top 5. The rest of the league, with all due respect, is playing catch up. The Shels board are not going to repeat mistakes of the past, Dundalk are Dundalk, UCD will continue to pull off decent wins and be a feeder club, Bray will do the usual and punch above their weight, Drogheda are in Brays position. Bohs have the fanbase but problems closing in,while Monaghan with El Rod in charge are never more thn 24 hours away from the next crisis. But this is how leagues are around the world, a strong club leads the way and the rest play catch up.
As for how our league is reflected in the foreign media thanks to Rovers - we're actually mentioned! Here I've been reading and listening to almost all positive reports from media on how Rovers came and didn't just hang on for a draw, or how the fans kept supporting the team and how it's a good time for Irish football - Rovers and the LOI (including Pats) were even mentioned last night on Russia 1 during the draw for the Euro's, that wouldn't have been the case without this years improvements. It's now up to the other clubs to engage their fanbase to tap into the community for solid revenue streams. Next season I can see another club making the group stage.
It wasn't a help, we were already ahead of them by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
The difference between us and other clubs in Europe is, we had the belief to go further, and they didn't. The rest were just happy to reach a certain round, and that was progress for them. We had to go to Partizan Belgrade in 35c of a sauna and win in their backyard. It would have been easy to give it up like the others did for years, but we just keep battling away. That's why we're in the groups. With a more favourable draw next year, we have reason to be hopeful of surpassing this year's European achievements.
I would not disagree with that. I know Sligo had a tough draw but I didn't think they acquitted themselves well at all this year. Last year Rovers acquitted themselves well despite having to bow out against Juventus.Quote:
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What a load of nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Yeah sure we just went to Ukraine for the cheap fags so Cook could sell them when he got back. Didn't try to win the game at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
Mypost -Rovers answer to that armani spanner!!Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
go mypost, go mypost!!