FAI Investigate Alleged Racist Abuse Of Zayed

I'd love to see some of the posters on here sitting on a jury in a criminal trial. One man's word against another = convict, or else it's an FAI/Model Club conspiracy.

I'd like to think it's all a big misunderstanding for obvious reasons. Zayed seems like a thoughtful bloke who wouldn't throw around serious accusations without merit. If the accused player is who I think it is, from what I know of him (not personally) I'd be more inclined to believe Zayed. But if there's no corroborating evidence then it's just one man's word over another and any positive ruling from the FAI would have serious legal implications.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

But if there's no corroborating evidence then it's just one man's word over another and any positive ruling from the FAI would have serious legal implications.

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This applies to both cases by the sound of it, and it'll be hard for the FAI to reach any conclusion other than an 'insufficient evidence to proceed' if it is just one man's word against another.

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I'm sure most Rovers fans would be thinking that but why should he have to leave the club when a good suspension is the norm?

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would the fact that he may have lied about it to your manager and board make a difference hoopy (thereby making SRFC look at best stupid and at worst complicit) if it turns out that he is found guilty?

I agree with what you're saying CD - in particular if it's one man's word against the other then the FAI cannot rule on it. But:

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I'd love to see some of the posters on here sitting on a jury in a criminal trial. One man's word against another = convict, or else it's an FAI/Model Club conspiracy.

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I'd say this view has been pretty muted in the thread compared to some of the insinuations made about Zayed.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

. Whoever uses this story as a stick to beat the league with are the kind of Mansenalpool jersey wearing EPL barstooling braindeads who long ago made up their mind on the LOI.

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Forget about racism: Is there anything more offensive than the term 'barstooler'? ;)

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I'd love to see some of the posters on here sitting on a jury in a criminal trial. One man's word against another = convict, or else it's an FAI/Model Club conspiracy.

I'd like to think it's all a big misunderstanding for obvious reasons. Zayed seems like a thoughtful bloke who wouldn't throw around serious accusations without merit. If the accused player is who I think it is, from what I know of him (not personally) I'd be more inclined to believe Zayed. But if there's no corroborating evidence then it's just one man's word over another and any positive ruling from the FAI would have serious legal implications.

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most trials are one persons word against another. In cases where it is one persons word against another (e.g. rape) other evidence (including things such as believability and character) can lead to a court finding someone guilty. No legal implications whatsoever provided the FAI investigation is conducted fairly and properly.

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Originally Posted by Red Army

This was one of the reasons Boco didn't resign some people then spread rumours it was about money. He never publicly accepted any apology.

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Boco left because he saw the money in China, has absolutely nothing to do with McGuinness. He might be a bit of a mercenary but I'd still have him back today.

Does mypost's flying saucer have a time travel facility? We could go back in time to the very moment and sort all this out.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

I agree with what you're saying CD - in particular if it's one man's word against the other then the FAI cannot rule on it. But:



I'd say this view has been pretty muted in the thread compared to some of the insinuations made about Zayed.

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Yep, it goes both ways.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

most trials are one persons word against another. In cases where it is one persons word against another (e.g. rape) other evidence (including things such as believability and character) can lead to a court finding someone guilty. No legal implications whatsoever provided the FAI investigation is conducted fairly and properly.

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A criminal case can't be decided on one person's word against another. Even rape cases have physical evidence. That's not really the point though - at a civil trial, a judge could make a decision between Zayed's word and the Rovers player. The FAI's not a court and they don't have the authority to make that judgement unless there is significantly more evidence. Perhaps they'll find more evidence.

rape was merely an example of how an issue where it is one persons word vs another's can still prove guilt or innocence. I know the FAI is not a court, that is why i referred to it as the FAI investigation. Im not sure what the standard of proof they require is, they probably dont even know that themselves.

By the way, I agree they would need more evidence to make a decision, i was just saying that anything that is relevant can end up being acceptable evidence.

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Originally Posted by hoopy

I've been called a right eejit many times but never a right angle.

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Yeah, you think your a cute hoor, but you're too feckin obtuse

Well what I mean is that the FAI is (in a sense) a media organisation and they have no more a right than the Evening Herald to make definitive judgements based on two people's contrasting stories.

no way CD. Do you really believe that?!

The evidence in the Pats case is apparently a photograph. I kid you not. A photograph is supposed to show the type of abuse Zayed got

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

Well what I mean is that the FAI is (in a sense) a media organisation and they have no more a right than the Evening Herald to make definitive judgements based on two people's contrasting stories.

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They're governing body of the league. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Not quite - from the photographer on our forum:

"....I can tell you now, that myself and a Dublin based photographer heard this abuse, And that the Dublin based photographer reported it to a steward, I have the photographs of the section and one individual in particular who gave some serious abuse to Zayed. "

The photograph might help identify the indvidual involved - that's all.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

The evidence in the Pats case is apparently a photograph. I kid you not. A photograph is supposed to show the type of abuse Zayed got

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Originally Posted by osarusan

They're governing body of the league. They can do whatever the hell they want.

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No they can't. They're subject to the law like everybody else and publically declaring somebody guilty of racism without sufficient evidence is inviting legal action.

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Originally Posted by Dave_SRFC

White Irish Libyan bloke with massive ego is upset that Pats fans are slagging his sister so he uses the race card.

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Why the "White Irish" prefix? Do you think it precludes the possibility that he might have been subjected to racist abuse or would make any abuse directed at him due to his Tunisian-Libyan descent somehow less serious?

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Originally Posted by osarusan

They're governing body of the league. They can do whatever the hell they want.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

No they can't. They're subject to the law like everybody else and publically declaring somebody guilty of racism without sufficient evidence is inviting legal action.

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Osarusan is correct though with the qualification that they must observe due process and employ fair procedures in conducting their investigation and arriving at their conclusion. They most certainly are not as limited in their authority as your post painted them.

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Originally Posted by poster

Boco left because he saw the money in China, has absolutely nothing to do with McGuinness. He might be a bit of a mercenary but I'd still have him back today.

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He's no more a mercenary then any of the current crop. He often said he found the cost of living in Ireland very expensive compared to north England and France.

So nothing can be said for actually waiting to see the results of the investigation and then talking about it on here??

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Originally Posted by A N Mouse

Yeah, you think your a cute hoor, but you're too feckin obtuse

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I'd never assume to be cute. I'm just a Dublin Rovers c***.

Stephen Kenny on newstalk said he didn't say anything about Pats fans...

he made the allegation on the radio show that a racist comment was made by a rovers player and that it was pre-meditated.


Derry can expect a letter from a south dublin solicitors office in the next few days.
Some of the teams in this league might let that kind of shi* go, but We Are Rovers and that will not be let go.

The various gypo's in the dubbalin meedja have their own agenda also.

in fairness to Rovers, you love writing letters.

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Originally Posted by placid casual

Derry can expect a letter from a south dublin solicitors office in the next few days.
Some of the teams in this league might let that kind of shi* go, but We Are Rovers and that will not be let go.

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I betcha this doesn't happen

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Originally Posted by placid casual

he made the allegation on the radio show that a racist comment was made by a rovers player and that it was pre-meditated.


Derry can expect a letter from a south dublin solicitors office in the next few days.
Some of the teams in this league might let that kind of shi* go, but We Are Rovers and that will not be let go.

The various gypo's in the dubbalin meedja have their own agenda also.

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A letter.... wow.

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Originally Posted by placid casual

he made the allegation on the radio show that a racist comment was made by a rovers player and that it was pre-meditated.


Derry can expect a letter from a south dublin solicitors office in the next few days.
Some of the teams in this league might let that kind of shi* go, but We Are Rovers and that will not be let go.

The various gypo's in the dubbalin meedja have their own agenda also.

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Who gives a **** who you are, if one of your players is found guilty of racial abuse, then there isnt a letter in the world from no solicitor that can change that

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Originally Posted by placid casual

We Are Rovers

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So are these guys :D

http://www.sedda.ie/news&events/Oct-...igo_rovers.jpg

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

So nothing can be said for actually waiting to see the results of the investigation and then talking about it on here??

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You must be new here

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Originally Posted by dfx-

You must be new here

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You'd think after over 800 posts I would no how things work around here, Just thought maybe this one time people might actually wait and see are the claims true before berating clubs fans and player

I'm so naive

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

You'd think after over 800 posts I would no how things work around here, Just thought maybe this one time people might actually wait and see are the claims true before berating clubs fans and player

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Ah, fatal mistake there.

debate happens with all issues, accusations and rumours that are put up here no matter who the clubs are. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Osarusan is correct though with the qualification that they must observe due process and employ fair procedures in conducting their investigation and arriving at their conclusion. They most certainly are not as limited in their authority as your post painted them.

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OK, I see where the confusion is. I was responding to the people in here who were saying the FAI would never pass a judgement against their Model Club, as if there's no way there could just not be enough evidence to take action against the player. I'm saying the FAI can only make a judgement if it's backed by a significant weight of evidence, just like the Evening Herald or any other newspaper would need the weight of evidence to protect it from legal claims (although you're right that a newspaper would have a much higher burden of proof due to our draconian and anti-press freedom libel laws).

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Originally Posted by colinf

totally dismissing the fact that this may have happened and holding yer hands up and saying that its a possibility.

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OK, you realise that "totally dismissing the fact that this may have happened" and "holding yer hands up and saying that its a possibility" aren't actually the same thing, right?

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Originally Posted by colinf

obviously something went on

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Really?

Glad that's that settled then. You wouldn't happen to be confusing obviously with I'm choosing to believe by any chance?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

A criminal case can't be decided on one person's word against another. Even rape cases have physical evidence. .

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That's not true. Many many rape cases have no physical evidence. While it's far harder to get a conviction, it does happen on a one person vs another's word. It's based on things like believability e.g if the person charged is caught lying, abili etc, or caught out confusing the story he gave.

Most rape cases come down to one person vs another and if the victim is believable enough to pass reasonable doubt etc.

But yeah, once they follow their own procedures the FAI can pretty much do whatever they want, in sanctioning players within the game

According to The Sun this whole big hullabaloo is because somebody called Zayed "Gaddafi"

Maybe that fits the PC interpretation of racist abuse but jesus christ Zayed would want to grow a set of balls. Crying racism in a case like this does the cause no good at all and deflects attention away from real racial discrimination that happens in Irish society which is a very serious problem that needs to be stamped out.

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Originally Posted by placid casual

Derry can expect a letter from a south dublin solicitors office in the next few days.
Some of the teams in this league might let that kind of shi* go, but We Are Rovers and that will not be let go.

The various gypo's in the dubbalin meedja have their own agenda also.

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Originally Posted by redobit

Boco was offered an apology and it was accepted.

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Its largely irrelevant if Boco did indeed accept an apology or not.
This is not about personal feelings being hurt, this is alot larger than that.
If it was just a bit of banter and slagging between the two of them, then no problem, who doesnt do that.
But it was a malicious comment in a hostile context about his ethnicity.
That is far bigger than one mans feelings, that is a slur against alot of other people, including some who go to our games.
Rovers have done alot of good work participating in cross community initiatives with teams from Globe House etc and that work just seems irrelevant when we all just dismiss Mc Guiness's comments as some personal abuse.

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If you cant move on thats your problem, no-one elses, and has nothing to do with the club.

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Maybe I cant move on, I just see Rovers as better than this since it has always been an inclusive club, look at people like Johnny Chada.