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I was at the Milltown game last time and there was very little trouble, It was an afternoon kickoff with high security though. There was a lot of trouble at Bohs v Rangers 2 weeks earlier.
It was a cracking tie with Rovers throwing the kitchen sink at Linfield for the last 20 minutes but lost on away goals.
yeah, they're not strictly regions but rather 'groupings' Last year for example Latvia was in with the eastern Europeans when it's usually with us in the North.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Same for the Europa League
Some statto has worked out based on last years regionalisation that the unseeded teams we are likely to face are either
Skonto Riga Latvia
Bangor City Wales
HB Torshavn Faroes
Linfield Belfast N.Ireland
F91 Dudelange Luxembourg
Breidablik Iceland
Flora Tallinn Estonia
He said "There might be more or less teams in our region because they have to even out the seeded and non seeded teams. (There can't be 7 seeded and 3 unseeded in the draw!)"
The other seeded teams are
Rosenborg Norway
Malmo Sweden
Helsinki Finland
Eranas Lituania
Austria
Bate Borisov
so great if we have now avoided rosenborg.
On paper Ig guess we'd be strong favourites against
Bangor City Wales
HB Torshavn Faroes
Linfield Belfast N.Ireland
F91 Dudelange Luxembourg
Breidablik Iceland
and these two might be a bit trickier
Flora Tallinn Estonia
Skonto Riga Latvia
Anyways surely a good chance for Rovers to get past this round and build up some coefficient along the way hopefully.
Wow, huge relief to have avoided all of those teams. I don't know much about Eranas but I assume they're decent enough.
Derry beat Skonto Riga a couple of years ago. Drogs beat some team from Tallinn that year too I think (in CL qualifiers)
Rovers would be favourite in all ties
Can't see Rovers having a problem in their first round tie. None of the opponents will present a challenge to their side.
That was said about Bohs V TNS last year. If theres one thing we should all know as LOI fans it is that there are no easy games in europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Cork City beat Ekranas a few years back. Not sure if its the same team you are talking about there.
With all the movement Glentoran could now be seeded.
Seems to depend on Macedonian Cup final. Metalurgs finished second in the league and are in the cup final.
They have the lowest co-efficient of the possible teams. So if they win the cup - enter in the next round - both 3rd and 4th would be seeded. If they lose the cup final then Glentoran would be seeded.
So Glentoran fans should want Metalurgs to win, and Pat's should probably be hoping they lose - to keep the glens as possible opponents.
Wow, twelve months on and people are still talking about TNS and Bohemians. You boyos need to get over it :p
Hopefully in future I'll be more than an idle spectator in these threads, if the rumours are true. Incidentally how many games do you reckon Swansea would win in Europe, starting from the first round? I reckon the group stages of the Europa League if not the Champions' League would be a serious target, and maybe the latter rounds of the EL.
It was a bit before my time but I can vaguely remember us beating Sliema Wanderers by a hatful in a qualifying match once in the late 80s, and then losing 8-0 to Monaco a year or two before the exiles got booted out of Europe. Those were the days! :D
Interesting one, that. Although how would the likes of Swansea get near Champions League competition through the Welsh Cup? Wouldn't they have to finish at least fourth in the English Premier League, being members of the English league structure? For what it's worth, I think these clubs would be daft to decline the invite if it opened up a realistic possibility of Europa League qualification for the winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
Would they still be allowed to enter the FA cup, would seem daft if so - two bites of the cherry!?
The question about the CL was more of a hypothetical, though as you point out it would be possible if we could somehow win the Europa League! Hey, it's not impossible, look at Fulham and Middlesbrough getting to the final in the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I understand that if we were to re-enter Europe from the Welsh Cup we would be unable to qualify through the English system as the FA and UEFA would block it. But we're unlikely to do that anyway.
Are you saying the winner of the Europa League qualifies for the Champions League? That's not right, surely?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cymro
No, that's 100% not true. Only have to look at Sligo's 'promotion' due to Porto not using their 'holders' place in next years Europa.
WOuldn't that be the other way round? Metalurgs win, therefore enter in QR2. Meaning teams that finished 3rd and 4th would then both be seeded and Glentoran wouldn't be. So Pats want Metalurgs to win, and Glens want them to loseQuote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
Nope. There are easy games in Europe. What that game showed us was that if you want an innovative and humorous way of screwing up the unscrew-up-able, head down to Dalymount to see the specialists.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
Oops, seems I explained it right, then fecked it up in summary :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Your really not the biggest fan of the boez are you PS...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I mean , as a lifelong Rovers fan I'm contractually obliged to dislike them and all, but whats your excuse if you dont mind me askin ?:dunno:
Metalurg won, so Glentoran won't be seeded
Right, going on the groups for last year that Dundalk had...
I think that if we're in the same seeded group as TNS, we won't be able to get Neath. Likewise Iceland has a seeded and unseeded team. They won't be in the same group. Hopefully we're in the same pot as KR Reykjavik and not TNS
I think the 2 Northern groups will be made up of the following seeds;
Fulham/Blackpool Eng
IF Elfsborg Swe
Tromsø IL Nor
St. Patrick's Athletic Irl
Aalesunds FK Nor
Honka Espoo Fin
BK Häcken Swe
KR Reykjavik Isl
The New Saints Wal
FK Minsk Bls
and the following unseeded teams;
Glentoran Nir 1.699
Banga Gargzdai Lit 1.541
Daugava Daugavpils Lat 1.483
Cliftonville Nir 1.449
Trans Narva Est 1.258
Kalju Nomme Est 1.008
IBV Vestmannaeyjar Isl 0.991
NSI Runavik Far 0.783
Neath FC Wal 0.558
UN Käerjeng Lux 0.524
EL2-3 Lux 0.274 - 1.274
Now that's 11 unseeded, sp one of them will slide over to the Central/eastern European group. My bet is Lithuania like previous years. COuld be luxembourg too
So that'd mean that the 10 unseeded would include 2 Nordies, 2 estonians, 2 luxemburgers, and one each of latvia, wales, iceland and faroes
SO... by my reckoning we'll go into a group with
1 Northern ireland
1 estonian
1 Luxembourger
1 Latvia/Faroes
1 Iceland/Wales (as these have to be seperate)
The only real complication I see is that the like spreading the top seeds out a bit, and Pats are the 4th highest seed in the 1st round. The problem is that the top 3 are also Northern teams
On Bert kas' site he mentions that "in the Europa League qualifying rounds the teams will be no longer be divided into regional groups (as used previously in the UEFA Cup)"
Is that a definite then?
It wasn't regionalised officially last year either, but they were still put in the groups that were practically regionalised. I've linked it above.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Agreed with that. There aren't any easy games. Just like champion after champion seem to fall to a casino type finance system, club's seem to fall to I would say easy but winnable games in Europe. Shamrock say they won't fall into the financial melt-down of previous champions. I hope they don't screw up what could be winnable games. If they win their first round game, they are guaranteed at least 4 more games. We need our champions doing that at least every other season.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulaHoop
As an aside, the Drog's late miss from about 6 yards against Kiev away a few years ago, would that be rated as the worst miss of all time by an LoI club and player in Europe. They really were desperately unlucky not to get through that evening. Kiev went on to beat Spartak Moscow 8-1 on aggregate, finished 3rd in group G and got to the semi-finals of the then UEFA Cup losing to the eventual champions Shakhtar Donetsk. Talk about making the near most out of their good fortune from a terrible miss by the Drog's in early August. Spartak Moscow, defeated by Dynamo, went onto join a group of Udinese, Spurs, NEC and Dinamo Zagreb, while seedings would've been different for the Drog's having different opposition, it would've been some run have games to have gotten.
Dodge as you say they're not officially regionalised. I'd worry that, seeing as how they seem to make this up as they go along, grouping would be based off the top seeds. Which worked out last year into seemingly nice regions, but this year with 4 northern teams (Pat's among them) in top five would be a bit less clear cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
But unless anyone can confirm otherwise it's all speculation at this stage.
Ah, I just enjoy a bit of a laugh every now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
Reading these sentences gave me that lurch of excitment that European football gives you. Roll on the games.
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The Hoops, along with Sligo Rovers, St Patrick's Athletic and Bohemians will enter the UEFA Champions League and Europa League draws in June with the most favourable odds in the history of Irish participation on the European stage.
By virtue of FC Porto winning the Europa League Cup rather than Sporting Braga, Sligo Rovers - as FAI Ford Cup winners - will be forwarded to the Third Qualifying Round of the UEFA Europa League.
This is because FC Porto do not require the title holder's place in the Europa League as they have qualified for the Champions League next season.
Ireland is placed 29th on the access/ranking list. This would be the first time ever that an Irish club was exempted from two rounds of a European club competition.
When are the draws?
funny that... after last year it gives me a lurch of nausea in the pit of my stomach.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
20th June for Europa 1st and 2nd roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by MeathDrog
Ich bin ein Hoop!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Du bist ein schwein!
Dank.
This will be the year. You watch.
from the RTE article
figures seem a bit big to meQuote:
Being seeded will give the Hoops an opportunity to make significant progress in Europe this summer. Victory in the Second Round would guarantee Shamrock Rovers a minimum of four extra European matches including a play-off for a place in the group stages of the Europa League, if required.
Financially, it would also mean a minimum payment of €550,000 from UEFA - €330,000 of which is already guaranteed - and the club would also garner €130,000 should the Hoops qualify for the next round.
Rovers would also benefit to the tune of a further €90,000 should they fail to qualify for the Champions League group stages and move into the Europa League.
do the LOI champions get a guaranteed 330k from UEFA ?
and Rovers would get another 220k if they win their second round tie ?
anyone here with a knowledge of how these things work able to confirm these figures are correct ?
RTE: "The Hoops, along with Sligo Rovers, St Patrick's Athletic and Bohemians will enter the UEFA Champions League and Europa League draws in June with the most favourable odds in the history of Irish participation on the European stage."
I hope RTE are right but usually when things like this is being said about LoI clubs, things go pear shaped. Hopefully the teams representing themselves and the league will do well.
I'd say RTE published the FAI press release word for word
Looking at Shamrock Rovers' draw , you would have to think that they have a fighting chance of making the group stages of the Europa league, considering they beat Isreali opposition last season.
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Originally Posted by MeathDrog
More importantly...15th July is the 3rd round drawQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge