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we simply need a rule that says if you renage on a contract( regardless if a deal is done )during the season or fail to meet you obligations then no prize money will be given out and a points deduction will begin your next season ,then we would see compliance.
but the will is not there because they know it would only impact on the so called bigger clubs
but just like health and safety rules or quality manuals they go way over the top and feel every eventuality has to be covered. Then it actually ends up completely killing everything including the very thing it was set up to help. Take the health boards needing electricians to change light bulbs. The 65% rule for example applies to players yet nothing stops a the opposite happening like when the ceo ends up getting the 65% and the players all 22 of them 35%??? its mad ted.
copies of the paye/prsi returns and vat returns with their back up would very quickly highlight if clubs were messing. A very simple income & expenditure like every GAA or any other club produces monthly would solve a lot. And my biggest bone of contention with the LOI/FAI over the years is why the bloody hell are they always trying things to restrict relegation for the top clubs and promotion for the minnows. Surely a relegation sometimes provides a chance for clubs & people in those clubs to renew themselves and can be healthy. A promotion for a minnow can carry them for 4 or 5 years. 2 or 3 years in a lower division every 20 or 30 years for a real top club is no harm and can be a catalyst for fresh people to come in and renew, excite and retain people for a decade.
Stop the interference, 2 up 2 down with play offs if they want should be allowed to happen for the next ten years and submit meaningful documentation monthly/quarterly that are open to audit of say 2 clubs a month at random would stop a lot of rubbish. The current submission of management accounts and whats actually done with them in abbotstown is a complete joke. A one day visit to my club by one qualified auditor (even a bookkeeper) would have halted very quickly the mess we now find ourselves in and would have been far more effective than reams and reams of form filling for the Licence that no one ever seems to check once or twice a season
Again, Cork and Derry went into liquidation before they were denied a licence. I don't see how you could bring things to light any later than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by shantykelly
The suggestion that the current licencing regulations are overzealous is quite simply laughable. given what has happened despite them it hardly bears thinking what would happen if the current (very limited) restraints were removed. That is aside from the fact that they are a uefa requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
The 65% rule was introduced to address the problem of wage inflation which (like elsewhere in europe) became a major problem in LOI. Lightening the regulation would simply encourage a return to the spendfest that has got so many clubs into trouble. PAYE/PRSI checks would simply encourage a return to the old "cash in hand" culture that was a mainstay in LOI in times past. Your quoting GAA clubs as an example is strange given the many dodgy accounting practices uncovered over the years :o.
Clubs need to decide do they actually want licencing and/or control by the FAI or not ? Do they want a rubber stamp to keep europe happy or serious regulation of the League ? The problem is clubs seeking to bend/break the rules at every oppurtunity not the rules themselves.
I have no idea RE your point about collusion to prevent "big clubs" being relegated, ask Shels, Cork, Derry about that.
Cork and Derry weren't relegated.
And it's quite possible for the information required to be excessive - therefore overzealous licencing requirements - and yet for it all to be ignored in the end of the day.
All people are asking for is licencing that works. That last part is what we're missing at the moment.
[QUOTE=marinobohs;1430823]The suggestion that the current licencing regulations are overzealous is quite simply laughable.
Clubs need to decide do they actually want licencing and/or control by the FAI or not ?
Most of us want Licencing, but not for the sake of Licencing, Its football we are running not sarbanes oxley type regulation for the top 100 companies in the world.
All the form filling with no real auditing is a waste of time. Simple things can be put in to help clubs manage the process. The clubs themselves do need to take responsibility. A licencing system that nips things in the bud, spots things early would be of huge help to everyone
[QUOTE=geezer;1430828
Most of us want Licencing, but not for the sake of Licencing, Its football we are running not sarbanes oxley type regulation for the top 100 companies in the world.
All the form filling with no real auditing is a waste of time. Simple things can be put in to help clubs manage the process. The clubs themselves do need to take responsibility. A licencing system that nips things in the bud, spots things early would be of huge help to everyone[/QUOTE]
No argument on that but your earlier suggestion appeared to be that Licencing should be relaxed (apols if I got that wrong) and my point is that in the absense of a mindset change at club level (something I dont see currently) any such relaxation would simply exacerbate the current difficulties.
Snippet of an interesting article in the Galway City Tribune.
http://galwayunitedfc.net/index.php?...id=2&record=20
If Galway were to go under, would the supporters reform the club, and start in the A Championship, or would they transfer their support to one of the two other Galway clubs in the League?
They need to be consistent that's all.
Too much room to change their mind on what punishment they give for what crime.
It needs to be more structured.
Black and White.
Too many clubs have got away with breaking rules over the past 3 years and it leads to more clubs thinking they can do likewise and in most cases they usually can.
If Galway have failed to pay 10,000 worth of wages at the end of the season they should be deducted points.
My own system would be that they are deducted a percentage of points the same as what they have failed to pay players.
So if the wage bill for 2010 was 200,000 and they failed to pay 10,000 they should get a 5% points deduction based on the assumption 5% of their points were won by paying 5% extra than they had!
That's like suggesting if Bohs fans would support Bray if they went under.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
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Originally Posted by higgins
That would be a great league to watch, its football also the current squad at GUFC are owed max 2000 as of today. Licence application is in on time with a number of outstanding issues but nothing hopefully GUFC cant overcome
just out of interest what if Galway failed to pay 10000 of the wages they had agreed to pay as per their submissions to licensing but subsequently negotiated to pay 5000 which the players were happy to accept. Its not part of the licensing process and its not part of what they agreed to pay originally...Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Interesting choice of words ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by geezer
who were let go during the year who are due monies and are registered with the FAI.
Work is ongoing on these lads who have been more than patient but hopefully they can be sorted soon. Everything possible is being done to address the issue for them
Its true to say the players have put up with awful ****e this year and licencing was not of much use until now. But only for the huge efforts being made by supporters who respect these players hugely
No offence but that has to be one of the dumbest questions ever! Give the history between the 3 clubs, there is no way United fanns will jump to Mervue or Devon. I'd hope and imagine there would be enough of us to pick up the pieces and start afreshQuote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Given that I'm not a Galway native, I don't really know much about the history between the 3 clubs. I assumed from the fact that you and Mervue share a ground, and you and Salthill shared training facilities that the relationship was at least cordialQuote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
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Originally Posted by peadar1987
just all part of the GUFC 5 year strategy, The 2 first division clubs have over 40 players between them gaining LOI Experience. Then when they are good and ready the "big" club with the "premier" status gets to choose the best of them.
Its working well already there are a few GUFC supporters that support the other 2 clubs as well. tHE 2 "FIRST" division clubs dont impact even the slightest on attendances. Commercial sponsorship was an initial worry but that has collapsed for everyone
Apologies. The Glway & District League own Terryland Park, both ourselves and Mervue pay rent to use it every week. We didn'lt share facilities with Devon, we rented theirs. We still owe them money for the use of their ground for training. Mervue and Devon would be United's 2 biggest critics within the Galway & District League set-up, from what I have been told if there is ever a debate about turfing United out of Terryland, it is led by those 2, there is zero love between us and themQuote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
What's the situation with Galway for next season? I heard Nick Leeson is staying.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...y-2464716.html
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Friday December 17 2010
NICK Leeson is set to stay on as chief executive of Galway United, WRITES DANIEL McDONNELL.
The Englishman was on the verge of departing the club due to their ongoing financial problems and recently offered the opinion that it would be difficult for them to keep him on the payroll.
However, Leeson has agreed to stay with the Tribesmen after discussions this week which will see the Galway United Supporters Trust (GUST) have a greater say in the running of the club.
Irish Independent
So is he still evil or wha?!
2 members of the GUST have got onto the board of directors. Would need somebody to clarify this but, I believe one will be the treasurer and the other the PRO as well as something else?
Treasurer ,PRO and recording secretary.The future direction of the club will be lot clearer in January. The Independent piece was pulled from RTE's very poor report on the 6 News that had a load of errors in it.
Hope all goes well.
there is a building belief in gufc in galway city and county now that the trust are involved. Season tickets sales have past the 300 mark and still flying. The tribal army scheme is growing everyday and clearing the bills making it possible to get the premier league license for the coming season. Now we need Sean to get the squad together in the new year and we'll be very happy indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
It seems to be a good move to get the trust involved, more clubs might be better off going down that road.
Not necessarily the panacea that it may appear. Supporters Trusts by this or other names (Co-op, Members Club etc) have had a mixed track record. Consider the Bohs situation as an obvious example. Dundalk was run as a Supporters Co-Op up to 2006 and nearly went out of existence losing a reported €1m over the previous 4 years. Shamrock Rovers Members Club is an obvious example of it working.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Trusts / Members clubs tend to be an obvious alternate to extinction when a crises has arisen and Cork FORAS is an example of this. The Claret and Blue Club in Drogheda may also yet fall into the same category.
It may well be that the current boards at both Drogheda and Galway have exhausted themselves and see few viable alternatives.
Having the a Trust involved in running a club Ezeikial is surely a good thing! Im not sure but do Dundalk Supporter Trust not have a close and significant role in the running of Dundalk fc(in that are they not represented at board/management committee level?) or is it just an informal cooperation between the two?
It seems Supporters involvement with running GUFC has as much to do with building trust between club officials and supporters as much as additional manpower.
In fairness, he gave a couple of valid cases where it's not helped. You could add Stockport County to that as well; I think they went into administration while run by the Supporters' Trust, and sold up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
I am not for a moment suggesting that it is fundamentally "bad" to have a Supporters Trust involved or running a club. I am simply saying that it should not automatically be assumed as being some magic wand or panacea to cure all ills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Ultimately it comes down to the people in charge making sound and rational decisions which ensure the long-term sustainability and growth of the club. The ability to resist the pressure from (some) fans for higher budgets and "instant success" takes courage and clear vision.
Recent history suggests that this has been absent at Bohs, Cork, Drogheda, Shels, and Derry
Well i did mean 'involved' with running a club rather than running a club. In Dundalk's Co-op's case one of the downfalls imo was the lack of, for example, a CEO and other support staff to assist the supporter led board. Also membership was a one off payment and supporter financial assistance thus ended -whereas Shams continued to pay membership. But i agree that Supporters taking control of a club generally tends to be an interim solution in desperate times.
I think Galway wil prevail as what seems to have been a major problem was lack of supporter consultation/involvement. This has been put right and any subsequent fan distrust of the powers that be at GUFC has been reduced. Well at least that excuse for not going to Terryland has been removed.
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Managers especially that crew wearing the suits and long coats, walking around car parks looking all intimidating before mns starts are a big reason behind clubs going bust half way through seasons.
Them as a group really need to take responsibility for pulling the wool over peoples eyes in clubs. A lot of the managers are seasoned campaigners and spot weakness in clubs and exploit without considering the cost to everyone. Stupid bonus schemes, appearance money and the non budgeting of extra costs of signing players cause a lot of the issues. If a young lad can work 36hours a week on shift in an extraordinary profitable multinational for 450 net a week maybe 550 if they work a weekend shift surely young lads committing to league clubs should be on no more, maybe if a lad is 26/27 with years of quality experience should be able to earn 500-700 a week net is plenty and as good as a lot of people would earn in good jobs. Realism will have to come into play if they want to sustain a normal run league without the recurring rubbish that happens every year. Our league is barely blue square level in the uk for the most part. An odd exception maybe a lad that can score 18-20 goals a season could peak at a grand but that should be it.
The licence office should visit 1 club for 2 days a season and run through the paye/rsi returns, the payroll and expenses list and that will show up any spending of monies thats reckless
add Cobh to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Progress seems to have stalled?
The Co-op in Dundalk was a thinly disguised local business spat, with the old guard (McGuills) being pushed out by business rivals and the co-op was run as a huge ego and business trip. It made money, but not for the club, as you pointed out. The Shamrock Rovers model is one positive way forward, though this is uncommon in how schemes like this are run, and even it has it's flaws. I sincerely hope Galway get through this period intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
The agreement that was reached on December 15th (two GUST members onto the board of GUFC) was finally ratified by the board of GUFC yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by exiled_gufc_fan
Too little too late. The club is f...ed. Incredible damage done to GUFC by the usual suspect since end of season.
In what way has there been further "incredible damage"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demoshield
Ok - I'm a bit far from goings on but from what I can see ...
We have no players signed.
The CEO has 'stepped back' from day to day involvement although I read elsewhere that he sought a pay rise.
GUST are paying the managers wages and indeed most of the other bills.
We face a strong likelihood at the moment of fielding an amateur side this season.
We face an uphill battle to get a licence.
Leeson out.