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it seems the petty small-minded take on things isn't confined to the FAI. Richie Sadlier in today's papers that one of the things that drove him from LoI football was Bohs secretly lobbying him and St Pats to help try to get Shamrock Rovers game with Madrid called off last summer. The Big Club, eh.
If you seriously believe that is the sole reason for him spazzing out and quitting football then you're sadly as deluded as John Delaney and Fran Gavin put together.
The cynical among us are thinking why bring up an incident that happened almost a year ago around the time Bohs have two huge game's against Pat's in a week. What's he hoping to achieve here? Sympathy?
And as someone else said - We note Sadlier mention a possible Bohs Champions League qualifier clashing with the Airtricity - Man United friendly. I think we are well within our right to be 'small minded' again, because guess what it will impact on our crowds for the Champions League game. The only way this league will generate publicity is a break through in Europe - not some sideshow exhibition games. As a CEO of a club I'm very suprised he couldn't cotton on to that.
Sadlier's article here: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...l-2182022.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
I don't think he's completely correct in everything he says, though.
I'm not sure that is the case actually. It isn't that the FAI are objecting to the involvement of a third party. Rather, they claim to be restrained by their own murky third-party commercial agreements; that contracts into which they themselves have entered prevent them from sanctioning the Limerick-Barcelona game.Quote:
Secondly, [the FAI are] objecting to the involvement of a third party, believed to be a UK-based agency. No such objections existed when Platinum One arranged last summer's friendly between Real and Shamrock Rovers, so that's utter nonsense.
i think the reasons for the objection are fairly reasonable though obviously tainted with a little jealousy. Big deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jicked
But heres what i think - why dont SRFC write a letter of complaint to the FAI like you did last summer, try and get them to strip us of our title or something? Small minded, eh?
All the clubs should be up in arms of this one.
However as usual with LOI clubs it will descend in petty in fighting and gentle grumbling.
I share your scepticism about whether this phone call from Bohs "brought about my decision to quit League of Ireland", but not your cynicism that his raising of it has anything to do with Bohs playing Pats twice in a week. I know its a outrageous thought, but maybe it is related to Limerick/Barcelona & FAI/Man U developments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Nice one! So you are inferring that Bohs were right to object to the Shamrock Rovers V Real Madrid game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
The best way, but certainly not the only way. The Rovers V Real Madrid game was certainly good profile for Rovers and by extension for LoI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
I'd debate that to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Rovers playing Real didn't do a blind bit of good for Limerick and I'm sure we're not alone in that??
Anyway, everyone back to hissing about the FAI. Come On. BOOOOOOOO. HIISSSSSSSSSS!!!
i dont think so MK - everyone is on Limericks side here bar Hairy Bowsie. I know all Bohs fans think its unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Ezeikial, i honestly dont think there was anything wrong with Bohs objecting and looking to protect their own interests. I think most clubs would honestly be a bit miffed if they had to put their CL fixture into direct competition with such a glamour friendly. I see the other side of it too but i dont have a problem with Bohs (or if it was any other team) looking after their own interests.
Aye, on message boards they may be. I'm just waiting for some journo to quote the "A facebook group set up to protest about it has gained over 2000 members". FFS, a Facebook group about a sausage roll can get 2000 members.
At club level, I wonder......
You have to wonder what the reason for that is though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
Perhaps the other teams just don't care, but more likely they're afraid of putting themselves on some FAI hitlist.
The chairmen of Sligo and Athlone could come out and say that they have no objections to the friendly going ahead, or even that they welcome it and applaud Limerick's initiative, but all that may do is get them a black mark beside thair name up at FAI hq. What club needs the hassle of getting involved?
And anyway, for the FAI to reverse this, they need to be put under pressure from outside the circle of LOI. That's why it's good to see members of the Limerick Chamber of Commerce, and next week maybe even a TD or two to ask a few questions, because these are people that the FAI won't be in a position to just say "f**k off" to.
"They came first for the Communists,Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Hopefully things won't get quite that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
One hopes.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Very noble sentiment and all that but the reality is licencing among other things provides the FAI with a carte blanche charter for getting rid of clubs they don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by thischarmingman
So twould take a brave (foolish) chairman to stick their head above the parapet.
Would it surprise anyone if this was the latest Limericks last season in senior ball for example??
Excellent idea. Joe Duffy's yer only man tbh. Few phone calls to him should see it sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Disgraceful carry on by the FAI, and their attempts at explaining their stance are pathetic, to say the least.
Encouraging to see a lot of negative media publicity about the decision. Delaney and his cronies are sure to hate that.
Depressing to think that the reason there's so much media publicity is probably because the journos want to drool over Barca coming to Ireland the same way they want to do to Man Utd.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2010/0516/delaneyj.html
What i take from what Delaney is saying is "Don't mind Limerick FC, they are a small naive LOI club, we are the big FAI and whatever Limerick say should be ignored"
The Facts are:
1. Limerick received a fax from the FAI stating the game could not go ahead because of other Airtricity fixtures that night.
2. Limerick let the press know they where denied this fixture and above was the reason.
3. The FAI release a statement with three reasons why the game can't go ahead claiming they already told Limerick FC these reasons, which they actually had not.
4. Delaney claims Limerick have been naive and have brought the game into disreput a little bit (what the hell does a little bit even mean, you either do or you don't).
Delaneys comments are a joke if you ask me. He has totally disrespected a LOI club and has tried to make the club look like fools and sweep it under the carpet. If anything it is the FAI that has been naive and brought the game into disreput by not being transparent as to why the game can't go ahead and giving reasons after the original one and belittling a club. To also claim he doesn't believe Barcelona have agreed to the game is laughable and another insult to Limerick FC as Barcelona have sent correspondence to Limerick stating they are the only team they have agreed to play in Ireland.
The talk amongst the journos in Turners Cross on Friday was that there was to be a joint statement from Limerick and Barcelona on this in the coming days. Any word on that?
From the article:
'We would have a relationship (with an agency) in terms of the organisation of friendlies coming into Ireland.
'There are certain games we can grant and there are certain games we can't in terms of attendance figures...Noel Mooney explained that we couldn't grant the game.'
'We're contractually obliged to other people. I would love the game to be played in Limerick.'
Does this mean that Limerick have been asking the wrong people for permission and can negotiate directly with the 'third party' if there is one instead of going through the FAI?
Leaving aside the barbs directed towards Limerick by John Delaney, there are just so many questions arising out of this interview:
1) When did the FAI enter in this agreement with this unnamed agency?
2) Who is the agency?
3) Did the FAI consult with clubs before entering into this agreement?
4) Did the FAI inform the clubs after entering into this agreement?
5) Does any other national association have this type of agreement?
6) How does this agreement benefit the LoI clubs who it appears to prevent holding certain friendlies?
7) What type of games does it prevent clubs hosting?
The answer to 5 is yes: Brazil, Argentina and plenty of the other South American sides.
However I agree that it poses more questions than answers.
8. Have all clubs been previously informed of the stipulations of holding a friendly game re these agreements?
9. If not what are the stipulations?
By the looks of things, they're saying, only they can host big friendlies in this country.
Anyone got a copy of the participation agreement handy? I'd love to see where that is outlined......;)
Sat May 15:
From Limerick FC: "Finally, Limerick FC re-affirm their commitment to playing in Thomond Park on 31st July and FC Barcelona is awaiting final approval from the FAI to continue with this potential game. Both clubs are calling on the FAI to sanction the game for the good of Irish football, Limerick FC, Limerick City and entire Mid-West region.
Sun May 16:
John Delaney: 'We also got correspondence from Barcelona last week saying they had not agreed to the game in Limerick at this stage. I don't believe Barcelona have agreed to it."
Delaney is calling Limerick FC liars. And Barcelona too if Limerick's statement is accurate.
This is getting dirty. However, if Delaney is bluffing, his job is untenable.
I know its a silly point,but couldn't the IFA legally sanction the game? Also did Noel Mooney and Pauric Smith meet with Limerick on Thursday or not(as stated by JD on radio this morning)?
Haha, that's the funniest one yet. JD untenable?? More like he'll only give himself a 4 year new contract instead of 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
First of all he says last week Barcelona as far as he knew hadn't agreed to it which could be right as they might have agreed later in the week after the FAI had talked to them, but the second part he is blatantly calling Limerick liars and as you say if Limericks statement is correct, which i have no doubt, then he is calling Barcelona liars too. What we need is somebody in the media with some bit of knowledge of the situation to ask Delaney the questions. He needs to answer them and not let this just be brushed under the carpet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
No...Quote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
To me this is just bizare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Like, why would Limerick FC lie about it?!?!
:rolleyes: nice one JohnQuote:
Originally Posted by Alf Honn
Mooney is from limerick, but hasnt been down in some time and smith might have been down around the time of seasons budgets and pushing vantage club tickets on the club but nothing of lateQuote:
Originally Posted by corkharps
To force the FAI's hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I'm not saying they have done, but it should be easy enough to prove either way.
Into giving Limerick permission to play a friendly they had no confirmation of though :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Just listened to that interview. I'm blown away. He calls Limerick liars, naive, in poor taste, bringing the game into disripute.....oh and Limerick said they were ok with the refusal last week...holy cow. Regardless of him not doing everything humanly possible to get the game go ahead...is any of that acceptable from the man in charge of the game and league? This guy has to go.
Would like to see him go on a sportshow and deal with questions.
He managed to mention manchester united plenty of times.
Presumably FAI permission would also make it easier for Barcelona and whatever crowd was organising it to finalse the dealQuote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
...and most cynically of all - "Sure you can watch Messi playing for Argentina on Aug 11 in Aviva (anyway)".Quote:
Originally Posted by fieldofmarkets
Sure what would he care about a four-hour round-trip to/from his shrine for Limerick people. This man's arrogance knows no bounds.
Well the game can't be finalised without sanction anyway??Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Just listening there....... wow.
That was pretty bad.....but I suppose those who can't make it up there can make do with watching Messi playing in the world cup on tv anyway. So no-one should be bothered really. He even sounds like a horrible smug ar****le.
I hope that a few of the journos that read this board pick up on the points made, sure the story is already written for ye. However they face the prospect of a North Korean like exile if they dare to be too critical.