Genuine supporters like u who just spent their time bitching and moaning is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
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Genuine supporters like u who just spent their time bitching and moaning is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Apologies, that was a bad error on my behalf but you're clutching at straws. What about the rest of themQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
mentioned.
Ireland:Quote:
Originally Posted by EastTerracer
Kevin Foley
Kevin Kilbane
Aiden McGeady
Sean St.Ledger
Steven Reid
Darren Gibson
Liam Lawrence
Leon Best
Caleb Folan
Martin Rowlands
Ciaran Westwood
Call up people whose parent(s) are Irish or who have grown up here.
Ireland is probably the biggest exploiter of the rule in football.
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Only 6 from that list were in the squad for the play off games and Gibson is not part of that list, he is automatically entitled to Irish citizenship.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
EastTerracer's list demonstrates that our use of the dual nationality eligibility bears fair comparison to its use by 7 of those countries at Euro 2008.
Having Gibson in that list is a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Posting the list in the first place is a disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
The standards on the forum really are dropping lately. Instead of rational discussion, it's turning into angry pointless ranting.
Why haven't the mods done anything about this?
Standards dropped overall lately? The tone utterly lowered. Undoubtedly. Hardly a coincidence given that it has occurred with the emergence of this 'yapster' character trying to take over the entire forum, spread his inane views and and go on a selfish, uninhibited wind up spree that is regressive for all concerned. Its all just getting really, really grating and I'm starting to lose faith this entire forum
Have you ever thought that the reason that Ireland have been so successful at "exploiting" the Parent/Grandparent rule might be because of the national pride that these players have in the first place? Players like Foley, Kilbane, St Ledger, McGeady and Best have been brought up in proud Irish families within proud Irish Communities (I can't comment on the rest as I do not know enough about their backgrounds). It is easy to snipe about their legitimacy, however to wear the shirt with pride as a Kid is a big statement of their identity - especially when surrounded by England/Scotland fans at a time in your life when most Kids just want to be part of the pack, which I'm sure all of these lads did - their commitment to the cause should never be questioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
only explanation is we're at stage 4...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
My sentiments exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
Surely not the only explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
On occasion and for indefinite periods, strange creatures masquerading as Irish fans have been spotted crawling out from their place of refuge.
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Then having Vedran Corluka on the list of 'foreign' Croatians is a disgrace. That is why I mentioned him(Gibson)Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
REPLY TO YAPSTER
"Sad to see Ireland going down the 'Grannyrule' crap again"
Even sadder to see the likes of you come out of the woodwork with such statements, as you invariably do!
haha I only just noticed thisQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Coincidence, I promise!
how many associations in the world own their own stadiums?Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
id say its less than 10%, if even. most are owned by clubs or the city authorities, national government etc.
The FAI will shortly jointly own their own stadium so that puts them ahead of most.
your assertion that the FAI is a joke from top to bottom is the real joke. yes, they make headlines for the wrong reasons from time to time but for such a small organisation they actually do a large amount of great work at grass roots level etc.
make yapster go away he makes baby jesus cry
There’s an interesting move in the eligibility that is happening in Ireland, for a century and a half Ireland had net emigration and so the players that qualified were sons and grandsons of Irish emigrants, the eligibility and commitment of players like Kilbane could never imo be questioned, there have been others that have convinced me less about their desire and/or reasons to wear the shirt but as an emigrant myself I can honestly say it would be my absolute preference for my kids to represent Ireland above anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manc Irish Wolf
The interesting shift comes in because from 1995/6 through to the last 12 months there was a net inward flow of Migrants, of course some of them were returning emigrants but there are now a lot of non-national born Irish citizens who (like the lad originally from the DRC) are qualified to play for ROI.
Looking at the list of players for France, Germany, Portugal (and while the Dutch had none this time there have been plenty in the past) they are countries who had large migrant populations and to a large degree they have reaped the benefit of it.
I wonder if in 10 years time this debate will be about players born in DRC or Poland or Nigeria representing Ireland.
I think the key difference here is how ireland has gone about to try and ensure that these feel welcome and are integrated into society. These have seen the adverse effects of mass emigration to certain spots of the UK and tried to ensure that doesn't happen in ireland.
Another big thing is the immigrants in Ireland moved all over the country, to little towns and villages working in shops, hotels, on building sites etc. In a small town it is very difficult not to integrate or to become known amongst the locals, especially the way irish people are.
I feel all this will help integrate the offspring of these immigrants and make them feel as Irish as seamus o'shea.
I ceratinly hope you're right Paul.
Ya, we can only hope, that they identify as Irish first, polish/nigerian/whatever creed or race second. Plastics identify as Irish only.
Whats that Tommy T joke about how the Irish invade a place? First one Irish couple arrive, nice and quiet barely noticed, then all of a sudden, a few months later theres 40 Irish in the place. Its alot more funny that the way I just wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Where Im originally from in Cork, there was a sizeable influx of Brazilian lads working in the local factory a few years back. They integrated with the 'classy' Irish women in the town particularly well, so much that the under 10 football team at home is now full of half Brazilians.
unlike the english, we dont invade - we infest... an irish lad arrives in the States armed with only a suitcase and a phone number...Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
something to that effect
we don't breed like we used to though :(Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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Originally Posted by yapster
I just love these racial purists who pop their heads up every now and again. Let me ask you Yapster - how do you define who's Irish and who's not? I mean you are the sole authority on the subject, aren't you?
You will give preference to someone born in Ireland of say (for example, Bosnian, Romanian, Nigerian or Moroccan parents). You will call them Irish, yet you will shut the door to the grandkids of people (who were actually born in Ireland and lived there for decades)?
Gets sort of complicated doesn't it when you start drawing lines on heritage? Just let the Irish Passport Office decide will you. They know what they're doing.
Sorry guys for a rant which has little to do with the game, but just can't sit here and listen to the crap.
why do you say that? plenty of people who are 3G irish are pround of their irish roots.. yes there was some notable exceptions as you mentioned but on the whole its a worthwhile rule considering our diaspora. Do you hold the italian national teams use of this rule in similar disgrace??Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
dont bother with that blokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
Razor - if Yappy had his way you would have to change your name:eek:
why? is he well known for those kinda statements? new here so best to know who to watch out for :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Haha well spotted, just goes to show what a joke that way of thinking isQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
yeah he just appeared recently and took over every thread with statements designed just to wind people. Ive been sucked in a few times but its best to just ignore :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
i know the type:).. reminds me of a guy i know who actually goes to most games, home and away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Unless you and your parents are born in the 26, well then your not irish. Idiot!
I think that's the point he's making.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
I would. If you have only one Irish grandparent, you will not feel Irish. The only time you will think of being Irish is if you are a decent footballer who knows they won't ever make the English team and sees the Irish team as an opportunity for some International football.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
In my opinion, the Irish kid with Bosnian or Nigerian parents is much more Irish than someone who is from London but with an Irish name. In fact a Nigerian kid born in Ireland in 1990 is more Irish than me even though I have two Irish parents. I was born outside the country. That Nigerian kid speaks with a Dublin accent and is more culturally immersed in Ireland than I am.
The rule should stop at parents, if someone is happy to be Irish that is great, but sadly I don't want them on the team.
eh, i should have used quotations.. i wasnt saying that. this idiot i know holds that opinion. similar to thinking you have to live in ireland to be irish!Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
both of which are wrong.
being irish is so much more than living on this island.. i know plenty of ppl 2nd,3G irish who are more irish that half the idiots at the RDS most friday evenings!
it all depends on how that person views themselves.Europe is so much more than where you are born and live, Wars, economics etc dictate this, Algerians in Paris and Marseille after the game in Paris spring to mind. Plenty of migrants who have come to ireland will declare for their homeland whether that be in north africa or eastern europe. I for one support that becuase that is the community to which they feel they belong. Equally, if someone FEELS irish then ill 100% support that too. but its about choice. McGeady has irish grandparents and feels irish. end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
certainly not. an accent doesnt dictate your nationality. thats very insular attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
a jumped up little austrian had similar views back in the 30s.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
redhedandfrecklessupportersclub.
Ok I'm not so big into multiculturalism, it leads to divide(the north of ireland and the country im born in(belgium) being poignant examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
its good for immigrants to bring aspects of their culture but they need to consider themselves irish(or whatever nationality) first(this especially in the case of 'old world' countries). i wouldnt want to see future players opt for their parents country over ireland. i respect their choice don't get me wrong but i don't want to see it.
oh and yeah mcgeady but i will say the guy played with ireland since under-14's or something, that is not exactly clinton 'who will i play for?' morrison. i think he should be with scotland but i have no problem with people like him. he showed great charachter and will respect him always for that. he made a difficult decision in choosing ireland, mercenaries like kevin nolan and jamie 'always wanted to play for england but actually i'm prob not good enough' o'hara, no thanks.
it's not black and white i agree, but i have no interest in seeing ireland get good because of a change in a rule allows us to call up people who happen to have irish blood, i'd rather be like san marino.
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Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
there is no such thing as being more irish than someone else. theres no way to be irish. i wasnt born in ireland so i'm less irish than someone who was born there. i was born in belgium, i am more belgian than an american of belgian descent. they are facts.
Hitler would have been all for 3g Germans playing for Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
The view that Irish citizens, born abroad, shouldn't be able to play for the team is an interesting one because it's nationalist in the sense that it puts forward an exclusive view of Irishness based strictly on birthplace but is contradictory to traditional Irish nationalism which recognises the right of the children and grandchildren (and further) of emmigrants to identify themselves as Irish. Those who don't recognise 2nd and 3rd generation as Irish should campaign for the right these people have to be Irish citizens to be taken away. This would solve the "problem" of them playing for the Irish football side.
1. I have & I hope those such as Nolan, O'Hara, Cahill, Noble etc. join us.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
2. I wouldn't :(