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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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A circular transaction?:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I dont think it at all stupid that Danninger might claim that your undisclosed agreement with Albion prevented them closing the deal and making x millions of euro thus contributing to Danningers current predicament Marino do you ?How this could play out is still unknown and could mean further court visits for you lot so Im not sure your board are in controll of your future at all but what would be of major concern is the complete reluctance to cut your cloth.
if thats really what you think is going to happen with Danninger then youre even more deluded than i thought.
If youre on a wind up... try harder.
your prefered option is still to sell your ground to a bankrupt company ,while going further into debt in the meantime to chase prize money at the end of another season to cover up more cheating on the 65% cap.and Im the deluded one?nobody knows how Danningers affairs will be dealt with but your board are borrowing on the strenght of a chance that it might work out in your favour.
no theyre not. Do some research (e.g. read this thread).
This place could do with a serious amount of common sense, would get rid of 95% of the posts on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Not sure why I'm bothering but just for a start have a look at all the fundraising money being handed over to the club in one lump sum, look at the prize money for winning the league.
Stu, we were under the SCP in November, like it or not we know a lot more about the ins and outs of our club than you or anyone else on here does. If there was any doubt from the Dalymount that we were over the SCP you'd have heard about it by now from some loud mouthed member, but we're not. Can this now be the end of it until an official announcement is made?
Surely you don't beleive that "an official announcement" is going to quieten things down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leejo
I think it is fair to say that most interested observors have no doubt that Bohemians have, at a minimum, blatently disregarded the spirit of the SCP. Whether the FAI have the desire or the ability to apply sanctions is really what remains to be seen.
It seems to me that many, including the Bohs board, have concluded that they don't have the stomach for it.
Also it's the off-season.. We've nothing else to talk about :p
How?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
*can of worms opened*
Its impossible to breach the SCP midseason. Only the Star have claimed that the Albion losses are going to be used to get us under the 65%.Quote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
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Originally Posted by de bowez
No it ain't.
That why ourselves, you lot and a few others had transfer embargoes implemented mid season.
Nope, its because the FAI felt that if we continued at the rate we were going we would finish the season over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MariborKev
I don't think any club that says mid season that they need European progression and a league title to get under 65% can with any credibility claim to be in compliance with the spirit of the rule.
Not sure how its so hard to believe that the FAI knew that Bohs were in danger of breaching the SCP after going through the accounts?Quote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
Semantics.
At the start of the season each club prepares a monthly budget that must, on an aggregate basis, be in compliance with the SCP.
Clubs then submit monthly management accounts that are tracked against the budget.
I would imagine that at some point Bohs management accounts diverged wildly from their budget leading to a high risk that they would fail to meet the year-end SCP. Ergo the FAI took action to limit further costs being incurred that would further reduce the chances of the SCP being met (through transfers).
Whether or not they were in breach at points throughout the year is neither here nor there.
But without wanting to repeat myself too much, discussing the SCP in the context of Bohs is re-arranging the deckchairs on the Titantic. A bit like the Derry fans thinking the dual contract issue and all the smokescreens around that was important, when the club was sliding under in the background.
So, if bohs are found to breach the rule it is because they are guilty but if they are found not to have broken the rule it is because the FAI are covering up the fact they are guilty ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Typical of the stupid nonsense posted by some on this thread :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
True, of course. But in November, Bohs had no home games and presumably accrued some title-winning bonuses, which would make it even harder again to get under the 65% cap through any means other than prize money and the Albion money.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Fenlon had to go round D7 with a begging bowl to try and fund an overnight stay in derry at the end of last season ,prize money won was used in the mad scramble to bring you under 65% along with outstanding transfer money due.So if you want to believe that your Debt wont increase this season off you go.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Yea, and we need to save for the Danninger court case ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RoversHead
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Originally Posted by BYCTWD
Yeah,
Some of posted by LukeO etc seems bang on.
Convincing FAI will fortunately be easier than malcontent opposition supporters with a major chip on both shoulders, but keep up the good work ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
No you need to save 4million in two years to pay a certain bank loan which means two yrs to sort out the sale of Dalymount which means another two years busting 65% to try and make the champions league .thats without servicing other debt,good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
You're kind of arguing in a vacuum here though, not knowing how far they were off. I expect them to meet the SCP, if only because if they hadn't, there'd have been a leak and an EGM by now. That doesn't mean that everything's suddenly dandy there, but in the absence of more information, repeating that you have your doubts is just provoking the Bohs fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
or simply renegotiating the loan perhaps ? believe it or not this has been done before. whatever will they think of next !Quote:
Originally Posted by RoversHead
No, the accounts will speak for themselves (good or bad) but lets be honest to some on here nothing would convince them ! we have already had one post that says if Bohs are inside the 65% rule that it just shows the FAI are not implementing it. Really no point in trying to persuade someone of that mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
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Originally Posted by BYCTWD
This SCP malarky with Bohs and the transfer embargo has gone on so long now, possibly even before a ball was kicked this season non-bohs fans like myself where banging on about it, but they are still here.
Do i believe bohs fans? Well not all of them but I must say that some have posted here who in previous times over the course of me being on this mb I have grown to respect thier opinion and take their comments more than others as being more closer to the truth irregardless of my own opinion.
If bohs have broken the 65% rule then i think we would of heard it by now as was poseted earlier is speculation that they have broken it is really just speculation and fanning the flames of a topic that has been probably in discussion since 2008.
If it does emerge that bohs have broken the 65% then its time to say "I told you so"
They already have.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
The revaluation of the carpark is probably already lined up as the comedy after dinner piece at the ICAI annual bash....
I believe that they believe it to be a honest account of there clubs situation but it appears to be an attempt at a stay of execution by the board.maybe im wrong but i think that this saga will have more twists than a roddy collins contractQuote:
Originally Posted by BYCTWD
the real worry is that all of bohs future is predicated on the successful sale of dalyier
thats a totally different point youre making now to the one i quoted. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RoversHead
@BYCTWD.. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone and all that. It gets a bit boring your obvious obsession with Bohs.
And for the record, I'm not licking up to Bohs fans. I dislike them too :)
Also at least 150k in fundraising in November.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
was just wondering what the story was with Dundalk giving Galway compensation for signing Foster while he was in contract? Surely they are due a few bob over it.
Well at the time I remember there being similar talk of contract breaches meaning he was a free agent...Quote:
Originally Posted by bingoballs
galway owed him money so he could walk for freeQuote:
Originally Posted by bingoballs
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Originally Posted by marinobohs
Do you really believe that the FAI's attitude will have absolutely no bearing on the outcome?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Undoubtedly Bohemians have (or will) present a case that portrays the club as being under the 65% rule.
Whether the FAI accept or reject that presentation may be influenced to a large extent by the level of desire within the FAI to implement sanctions, rather then whether Bohs have complied with both the letter and the spirit of the regulations.
My guess is that you are right, and that the FAI are well disposed to being "convinced". I don't think that they have the bottle to do the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
you've just proven MarinoBohs point Ezeikial. We and the FAI are in a no-win situation when it comes to this issue, not to mention when it comes to debating it on this forum.
Was it you who said that, if nothing else, we are against "the spirit" of the SCP? I mean, come on, what next?!
If you are suggesting that MarinoBohs and I agree on this, thats really fantastic!!Quote:
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Originally Posted by SkStu
Agreed (thats two in a row!).Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
This "no-win" situation is directly due to Bohs flagrant disregard for the regulations and financial sanity (and as a result Bohs fans trying to defend the indefensible)
Close (nearly a hatrick there) - my earlier post said:Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
no im suggesting that you have proven his point.
we are in a no-win situation. Its clear what i meant. He cant argue with people who have their minds so firmly set against us. im presuming the two-in-a-row refers to our two leagues in a row.
with regards to nearly scoring a hatrick, i really have no idea what youre talking about.
The "no win" scenario arises due to your incapacity to look at anything to do with Bohs with any sense of objectivity (as has been seen on a number of threads). If they are found guilty then it is OK but if they are found innocent then they are guilty anyway. What utter rubbish, but in keeping with your views on all things Bohs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
There is some excuse for fans showing bias in favour of their own club (we are all guilty) but your constant harping about Bohs is borderline scary.
No, we have not seen either the contract or the final accounts (as we said). Unlike shams we will stick to talking about what we know !Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Hoop
Lets wait until after 6 o'clock (and possibly beyond) and see where things sit RE the whole thing.