Hopefully North Korea declare war on somebody and get kicked out. Other than something like that we can forget it. Probably best to just suck it up at this stage
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Hopefully North Korea declare war on somebody and get kicked out. Other than something like that we can forget it. Probably best to just suck it up at this stage
wow - Owlsfan is travelling to the World Cup and he's taking the humour bypass.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Stupid idea.
i'd imagine if that happened bahrain would get their spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan 82
it's over. five more years minimum.
Not entirely the whole story - UEFA were due to go ahead without Liverpool as they hadn't met the qualification criteria in their National League the year they won the thing. UEFA had never had a rule post-Champions League creation that the winners were given an automatic place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scooby Doo
The Scousers whined and whinged so much to anyone who they thought would listen (massive comparisons with this sorry sordid little affair of "I'll cry and cry until I am sick") that in the end TNS of Wales simply said to UEFA "Sure - we're just down the road - we'll play them in an Extra-Prelim Qualifier for the Welsh spot in the Champions League."
In the end UEFA said - "sod it - we'll accomodate them ONLY on this occassion, bump one of the smaller nations National Champions into a lower round so the fifth place finishers in England can get their way - and then everyone can shut the heck up".
By coincidence - who did Liverpool draw in their "Tantrum Game" - TNS of Wales!
Who cares if its embarrassing,I think we should be put in a very tough group because of the way we got in.
How close did Georgia get to the finals? Maybe their results ultimately didn't count after all. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
There is more hope of getting a replay than being a "33rd team", but the FAI are within their rights to kick up a fuss. Of all the teams who qualified for the finals, none of them qualified at the expense of their opponents like France did. The "embarrassing" thing in all this is that's what it took to get them to the finals.
As a nation, we are always told that we don't complain enough. Now when we do, we're told to stop complaining. :rolleyes: We won't and shouldn't "get over" or "move on" about it.
Reckon we should abandon this tournament and start the whole campaign again. Fancy another trip to Montenegro....
We should go to South Africa, if only to p*ss on FIFA's bonfire....would love to see us picket their poxy opening ceremony. It's not about not qualifying, but their failure to address continual & blatant cheating, corruption and complacency.
And also start a campaign to prevent these inadequate fools running the world game.....they make the worst administrators in the EL/FAI/GAA look like the most efficient ever, by comparison. They should be removed from their role ASAP and would like to see a boycott of their activities.
I wish we were in the world cup, you wish we were and the players wish they were but at the end of the day we are not and we will never be. It's time we took it on the chin and shut up about getting into SA2010. The best the FAI can do out of this is push for video technology or better refereeing standards. My fear is that they have lost there say and respect in these matters due to this desperate, unrealistic plea
They just showed a clip of Sepp Blatter telling the media that the FAI had requested to be the 33rd team in the WC.
Their response? Laughter (and rightly so).
Its all getting a bit embaressing now. Fair enough ask for a replay, but to ask to be the 33rd team is silly. Logistically it would be a nightmare and FIFA would never agree to it. Best hope is France meet Argentina and Tevez sends them home Maradonna style :D
After reading through this whole thread I think the best point that was made was that if the FAI didnt kick up a fuss and try everything,no matter how far fetched or unlikely, people would have been having a go at them saying they were afraid of upsetting FIFA or something along those lines.
Blatter can laugh it off all he wants, the guy is obviously a very good politician to rise to the position he knows how to deflect issues to take the heat off himself, but I for one am still extremely bitter about it and I want to see the issue keep getting highlighted in the hopes that in future changes will be made for the better of football
Surely we should laughing, if not pitying, at the morons in FIFA.....the FAI are :rolleyes: giants amongst men by comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
yeah but i think blatter was being a bit bravado , one of the first thing he said on the matter. kinda like the big bully in the playground picking on the guy with glasses (who has a case) but all of the school kids are afraid to takeo on the bully and laugh with him....Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Just saw it on Sky news.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
Cringe
he makes me sickQuote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
While not directly related to the World Cup, EUFA altered there rules to allow Liverpool defend the Champions League a few years agom when they failed to qualify.
Why it may happen - Money
FIFA's credibility is damaged through this incident and could be restored very easily by allowing a 33rd team and Blatter would still have his French there and would have another guaranteed vote the next time he is up for reelection.
FIFA are corrupt and make up the rules as they go along, we all know that.
Logistically there would be no real problems.
Group 8 is the last group to start. The first matches are on the 16th June.
5 team schedule
Series 1 1 v 2 3 v 4 5 idle 8th June ADDITIONAL MATCHES
Series 2 2 v 3 4 v 5 1 idle 12th June ADDITIONAL MATCHES
Series 3 1 v 3 2 v 5 4 idle 16th June
Series 4 1 v 4 3 v 5 2 idle 21st June
Series 5 1 v 5 2 v 4 3 idle 25th June
2 Additional match days, 12th would be on current day 2.
THe opening matches on the 8th would be 3 days before the scheduled start and could be classed as preliminary group games rearranged to prove FIFA fair play in alive and well.
A long shot yes, but Delaney is a sharp cookie and maybe this was FIFAs way out and maybe it was they who suggested to DElaney to make the request and Blatter can take the credit for saving the game from cheats and in the meantime taking in even more revenue from 4 additional matches.
Blatters comments that hand ball is the biggest sin in football maybe his way of coming out of this smelling of roses.
The most important thing to remember Blatter makes the rules as he goes along and if it suits him anything is possible.
total contradiction GF, FIFA's credibility would be shot to pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
All rational thinking seems to have gone out the window on this matter
Hell no, this is Ireland. This story will do the rounds a few more times till at least the world cup and after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newryrep
I think Fifa are right. 33 teams, an Irish joke, surely:(
To be fair to The FAI, FIFA couldn't organise a drink-up in a beer manufacturing establishment....
Two things:
This claim of being the 33rd team looks like something the Star newspaper would cook up on 1 April.
Also, there seems to be a major oversight regarding the result. We weren't winning the game on aggregrate before Henry's handball, but only drawing. How does drawing a playoff give us any entitlement to qualify for a World Cup?
I used to see Celtic shirts with EIRE 32 on the back, I presume it would be EIRE 33 at the current rate!
Well between the 2 of them, it makes for one massive, messy session. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Blatter was a leading memeber of the IOC at the winter olympics in 2002 at Salt Lake City. And guess what happened? The IOC decided to give out TWO gold medals after the Canadian pair Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were cheated (bribery scandal). Now which is 'crazier' giving out two gold medals or allowing 33 teams to play at the World Cup? Giving out two gold medals for me. And theres more. Guess who Sepp ends up hanging out with in a Moscow nightblub? Read on.
Taken from Transparency in sport. By BBC Journalist Andrew Jennings
So when some crooks at the International Skating Union wanted a few ice dance judges greased at the 2002 Salt Lake Games, they worked with Alik and his pal Chevalier Nusuyev, the president of the Russian Youth Sports Federation - who later left us in a rattle of gunfire in August 2005.
Alik set up the scam from his villa in Tuscany but his conversations with Nusuyev, skating officials and skaters in Utah during the Games were taped by Italian police investigating money laundering.
The deal was that that the Russians got their gold and Alik’s French chums got theirs. But the Canadian duo of Jamie Sale and David Pelletier were so blatantly robbed that the confused IOC – including Sepp Blatter – gave them a gratuitous gold alongside the French pair, the only time an Olympic event has yielded two gold medals when there should only be one.
The Italian cops tipped the FBI and Alik was arrested on a fraud warrant five months later. After a year’s vigorous legal activity Alik beat extradition to America and has been swanning around Russia, untouchable ever since.
So what were Sepp’s parting words to Alik as he left the China Club? ‘See you at the ice dancing in Sochi in 2014?’ Or did he say, ‘I’m sure you know what to do to bring the World Cup tournament to Russia in 2018.’
Perhaps Seb Coe, who has pledged his FIFA Ethics Committee to monitoring the 2018 campaigns, might have a quiet word with Blatter and Koloskov . . . and maybe ask Alik, stay out, pretty please, this FIFA process is dodgy enough already.
I fully expect there to be a newspaper story on the front page of the Indo tomorrow about how sales of tinfoil hats have shot through the roof the past few weeks judging by the paranoia and conspiracy talk in here.
Might get a tricolour printed up for the summer with the following written on it.
"You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you"
some at the press conference clapped so maybe they were in support of our claim. why do we always have to ridicule ourselves and be embarassed to put our case forward? isnt it our never say die attitude that has seen us punch above our weight for the last 20+ years?
the real thing that everyone should be laughing at is fifas fair play moto which has been recently blown out of the water. id say that the laughter lads in that room were nothing more than blatter yes men more concerned with keeping their spot at the fifa top table
Good point. The FIFA fair play code is a joke after this debacle, all you have to read is that much quoted rule one, winning by cheating isnt winning etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
I cant see this latest twist getting us to the WC, to be honest I think there was more chance of a replay. The replay wouldve created a less awkward precedent than the extra place scenario. And anyways if we did get granted a place somehow, in a way the good/joy out of qualifying is spoiled in a big way now.
FIFA are an arrogant shower, will much change?? Who knows?! I think at best they may implement some change in the rules for the WC (e.g. additional officials).
What is for certain imo is that we wont be in the WC, Henry will not be punished and thirdly video technology will not be available to the referee at the WC.
Or they were applauding how absolutely funny the idea is - much like after a stand up comic tells an extremely funny joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
As opposed to the FAI wanting to completely railroad the whole World Cup into letting their poor little persecuted team and fans into the Finals - when it wasn't even clear that they would have not conceded another goal in ET, let alone lost the shoot out.Quote:
the real thing that everyone should be laughing at is fifas fair play moto which has been recently blown out of the water.
Delaney harping on about "The Integrity of the Game" - rich coming from the person who wants a whole tournament extended and changed at a whim just to accomodate someone who "asked very nicely" - but weren't in an actual position of qualification from the playoff match at any point that evening.
Nope - I wouldn't say that at all - this Press Conference wasn't even that - it was a Q&A at something called "SoccerEx" - which is a trade and tourism show for football - the people in that room would have been the odd journalist - but mostly business people.Quote:
id say that the laughter lads in that room were nothing more than blatter yes men more concerned with keeping their spot at the fifa top table
Hardly a FIFA Congress is it?
This whole chain of events resulting from the playoff game is playing out like a real life version of the "Pixie Heads" sketch from Apres Match.
says it all really..Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
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Originally Posted by Greenforever
All good in theory but the show is over. Damage limitation for Delaney and his reputation internationally at this stage.
We're not going to the World Cup but I have a feeling something good might come out of the "extraordinary meeting".
I now hate on Henry. He took a way a fair chance for us to qualify and stole my World Cup and i'll never forgive him. I don't however give a rattling f if he gets suspended, it makes no difference to us now.
Maybe they will seed us in the next qualifiers or something. With the replay shot to pieces with about 30 seconds consideration I reckon that is the best thing for which we could hope.
Maybe I'm just dreaming but some good has to come out of this nightmare.
Nothing will come of the 33rd team except to make us look cheap and needy, like an ugly girl close to prom/graduation/debs night.
Henry will get a slap on the wrist and a cheeky smile from his mate Blatter, probably make a speech at the openeing ceremony about fair play to show the world that he really is a fair player and that it was all just a misunderstanding.
UEFA will lob us in with Spain, Holland, Real Madrid, Brazil's 1970 team & the Harlem Globetrotters in the European Qualifiers with all our games to be reffed by Hanson to show us who's really in charge.
How to fit 33 teams into a 32 team tournament?
Simple solution - stick us in the French group. That way .. we get our replay in South Africa and France get the chance to put the record straight.
FIFA changed the rules to suit the big teams for the playoffs ... so there is a precedent for changing things at the last minute.
don't know what to think about the whole shenanigans ... but might as well see where this is going to take us at this stage.
http://www.rte.ie/arts/2009/1201/bono.html
It gets better. Guess who's hopped on to the bandwagon now...
Don't like where this is going, it makes us look like we're begging for a place at the cup regardless of how ridiculous the reasoning is.
Nobody wants that, we want our fair chance to compete for a place and earn our place.
I'm withdrawing from the debate until Dana Rosemary Scanlon makes her position clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauro 76
As the bold young Maurice from Cork once said "You can shove your World Cup up your arse"
Missionary, but only in the context of holy, sacred and apostolic matrimony. I do believe in fairytales and all kinds of everything while there's something cooking in the kitchen.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I saw the statement for the first time this am. In fact the more I think about it, the angrier I get.
No doubt he had a few cronies set up to giggle. Happy to get sympathy are we but you know what sympathy gets us....nothing but sympathy and yesterday's news like a bereavement. The family continues to feel the pain but everyone else moves on. "Poor Mick. He was unlucky to be knocked down. Now what's for breakfast, Maud?".
Any journalist worth his salt should have asked the following questions/statements:
(a) So Mr. Blabber, you find it amusing that Ireland should dare ask to be included in the WC when they were cheated out of a potential place?
(b) You think it funny that Ireland should ask to change the rules when you changed the rules for the play offs?
(c) You think it funny that you say the referee is to blame when you repeatedly have refused to have video technology?
(d)You think it funny that 15 thousand Irish people paid money to go to Paris to see their team cheated out of a potential world cup place?
(e) We think it funny that you should phone Thierry Henry to empathise with him?
(f) You have admitted that in a Junior game you cheated to score a goal as did Henry. Where does this leave FIFA's "Fair Play" initiative?
We in Ireland find the whole thing hilarious.
..add further as you see fit.
How dare that twerp laugh!!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Wouldn't FIFA be "cheating" by changing their rules to accomodate Ireland, regardless of how noble the cause?
Lets see how all you hypocrites riddle your way out of that one....
Make Emmet7 a mascot at next year's World Cup
We could drape him in the Fair Play flag and dress him up in Irish kit?
anyone....?