Would you prefer to stand in **** if you could see it in the light?! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by longfordjames
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Would you prefer to stand in **** if you could see it in the light?! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by longfordjames
We don't charge in pounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by longfordjames
The European Union hasn't reached the midlands yet. I was in Mullingar last week and they're still struggling with decimalisationQuote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
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Wouldn't matter to you anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
As Tesco says "every little helps"Quote:
Originally Posted by Raheny Red
i think anyone who looks at football as a "product" needs a good kicking.
the one thing i hate about our football is summer football.
i use to love the dark cold nights heading to the match and the glare of the floodlights greeting you as you get nearer the ground, and the hot soup and sambo at half time,
summer footie is a joke.
Travelling on the 75 from dun laoghaire to dublin. if ever a journey reinforced the stereotype of LOI supporter as social outcast...:(
...from dun laoghaire to tallaght i should say. or else i'd just be hijacking the bus everytime
Your post is irrelevant as it completely misinterprets what I said as you do it again here.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
I said.....Quote:
Within the same paragraph you claim that the elitism is a load of "Bullcrap"
Hence its a cop out, its a no go, its not the reason why barstoolers dont go to games, its another spurious excuse why barstoolers dont go to games.Quote:
As for the eletist remark, that is just an absolute bullcrap cop out.
I never denied that there is not an element of eletism but that is just a bullcrap cop out.
Oh no, not everyone.Quote:
but then you go on to say how much better you are than everyone else 3 times!
Just those who support corporate entities, and in a footballing supporter sense of the word.
No hypocricy at all to it.Quote:
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your post, I have no issues with you feeling superior to a non LOI football fan but don't try to claim that you don't love the superiority you feel because of it. Based on your little tirdae above you clearly absolutely revel in it.
I never denied that LOI fans are superior in a footballing supporter sense of the word to barstoolers.
I just pointed out that because some, like myself, do revel in the superiority of the LOI supporter experience that the excuse by barstoolers that LOI are eletist is the reason they support corporate entities is bullcrap. Like as was pointed out before that once you start going to LOI games you instantly lose the stigma of being a barstooler so that excuse is irrelevant and as was pointed out at the start absolute bullcrap.
There is definetly an element of truth in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
But that arguement is largely dependant on the fact that a club representing its community must have players in their team of that community.
Im not advocating that at all, all im stating is that a local club is the extension of its community. But I do not see the playing staff as dependant on that at all.
This arguement could be consistent with supporting ones national team as nationality as it was once seen is now being changed where we see Nigerians playing for Poland, Brazilians playing for Tunisia, Ghanians playing for France, Americans playing for Italy, Brazilians playing for Angola etc.(Above all look at the Jack Charlton era).
It could be argued that many of those players who are "naturalised" etc do not represent the nation they play for but IMO that in no way lessens the significance of the National Team in representing a nation and being an extension of the nation.
That bus route always makes me think of Martin Sheen's journey in Apocalypse Now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooples
The fact that we lose all our best players to England.
I know in a weaker league this cant be helped, but Cork would be competing in the Champions League if they could take back the players they've sold...
A partnership of Kevin Doyle and Roy O'Donovan with Dave Mooney on the bench would give us the best strike partnership in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by ped_ped
How we still have Dan Murray I'll never know.
cork - but that will be sorted soon
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Originally Posted by longfordjames
you havent been to the rsc then?
toilets on both sides of the ground are second to none.
probably the best equipped ground in the league.
There's a lot more things there though than just a football stadium. If I'm not mistaken there is an athletics track and a swimming pool there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by roinuj
Some of what your smoking please!Quote:
Originally Posted by roinuj
it is the best equipped ground by a mile,Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
it has everything a football ground needs.
Where else can you practice your long jump while watching a game?Quote:
Originally Posted by joema
Santry ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Barstool to the toilet?
Sean Connor.
Seconded!!Quote:
Originally Posted by roversforever
That you, the fact that you don't get how your attitude can completely ostracize potential support is what astounds me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
You're quite happy for the league to remain small-time and shambolic as long as no-one else comes to watch.
That one line sums it up, anytime anyone suggests a change it's immediately viewed with scepticism as it might take away from your personal enjoyment, f--k the fact that the league is dying on it's ar$e with clubs going into administration every 5 minutes, we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
You remind me of the indie-kid in school who always had to be the first person into a band and whenever they had a hit he would instantly drop them as being a sell-out.
Like I say I have no problem with the fact that you feel superior to “barstoolers” because you are a “proper” football fan but if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.
None of these folk were turned away from Dalymount last Wednesday.Quote:
we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.
Even if it does, it's hardly one of the main reasons. As with your indie rock example, if I go to a heavy metal concert in a Metallica shirt and someone in a Burzum longsleeve thinks, "WTF is that poser doing here?", who cares? You'd want to be pretty thin-skinned to let something like that bother you.Quote:
if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.
That was only there briefly a couple of Saturdays ago when Harps were on their way down. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
No, the pool is quite some way away.
Facilities-wise the RSC is top notch though. Plenty of rooms under both stands for hospitality, press conferences or whatever, wi-fi hotspots and interweb connections out the ying-yang, and the dressing rooms, I've been told by players several times, are the best in the league.
A small stand at each end would really take the bare look off the place, that and about a thousand extra people in there. :(
Such a pathetic excuse for barstoolers buying into the prostitution of the EPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
The very fact that LOI ground were sell out crowds 50 years ago with up on 20,000 attending games rubishes this theory.
People left the LOI for the glamour and consumerist EPL for its flashy lights and prawn sandwichs, not because of "eletism".
Sorry are you dictating to LOI fans how thier clubs and their League should be run?Quote:
That one line sums it up, anytime anyone suggests a change it's immediately viewed with scepticism as it might take away from your personal enjoyment,
Pffft clubs are always dying, they have been dying since they were founded.Quote:
f--k the fact that the league is dying on it's ar$e with clubs going into administration every 5 minutes,
Its nothing new and its nothing confined to the LOI, do you want me to list out to you the 10 most indebted clubs in the world, im sure you will find the information interesting.
Ehh I think il go with the better administration option instead of putting our survival in the hands of Barstoolers.Quote:
we don’t want any “bandwagoner event sluts” despite the fact that their cash through the gate might be the difference between survival & extinction.
I think you will find that it is LOI fans who stick with their teams through thick and thin and its the barstoolers who have such transient support because of such superficial reasons for supporting clubs such as, "they have an Irish player" etc.Quote:
You remind me of the indie-kid in school who always had to be the first person into a band and whenever they had a hit he would instantly drop them as being a sell-out.
As is your opinion but I disagree.Quote:
Like I say I have no problem with the fact that you feel superior to “barstoolers” because you are a “proper” football fan but if you think that this attitude doesn’t deter people from taking an interest or attending games then I think you’re sadly mistaken.
Especially when you look at the history of football support in Ireland.
Not to mention my own personel experience with barstoolers who have never once given "eletism" as an excuse to avoid attending ones national league.
It's a point that has been raised on this thread;Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
I happen to agree with this and I don't believe it's anything like a cop out, and if you really wanted more people to come to the league you would take opinions of a spectrum of people and not just those who sit beside you at the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by First
That's a rediculous argument, 50 years ago there was a cold war no RTE television barely any European competition, it's like comparing a Model T ford with an F1 car. The 20,000 crowds is a thing of much debate to start with but how about an alternative view on history; People left because the best players moved to England for money and better standards and the LOI simply got left behind by not moving with the times? Sky has only become a dominant force in the last 15 year, attendances were on the decline in England all during the hooligan invested 80's being a football fan was not a trendy thing to do, there was no badge of honour involved, but attendances here were already shot to piecesQuote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
I didn't realise you were actively involved in the running of a club or the league, I am merely putting my opinion forward on areas that need to be improved, that is if you want your league to be improved?Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
Go on do a list and when you're doing it include the number of versions of Cork we've had and the number of versions of Limerick we've had, the 2nd & 3rd cities in the country incapable of supporting a team for more than a couple of decades at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
so you would rather go bust than watch your team alongside "barstoolers"..... This is my point from the start. I guess yo umust be glad you're not a Cork City fan today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
No one doubts your loyalty now, but what if you were playing to 20,000 a week all those Shels v Deportivo event junkies coming out of the wall like the rovers supporting Dublin Taxi drivers, from all of your posts I think it's crystal clear that you would hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
Well my experience is clearly different, I've watched LOI football with EPL fans who would watch games at Mels on a Friday night and spend Sunday screaming at a TV, but I know people (and this site has further evidenced it), who would cite the "attitude" of some LOI fans as a reason they wouldn't go to or go back to games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Da Real Rover
That teams get wound up while in the premier divison and get the best crowds in the league