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Originally Posted by John83
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And John 83. Foot.ie's answer to, well - absolutely nothing......!Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
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Watch yourself there - its a long way down off that high horse of yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
If Bohs dont go about their business in the right way then sooner or later they will get found out - either by the FAI or the banks. That is inevitable.
Others may be better served concentrating on their own club's issues than devoting the amount of time some do, jerking off over how Bohs run theirs and worrying if they get punished or not.
Salivating in the hope that the country's representative in Europe's premier football competition get a doing, in the hope that they get relegated or go out of business IS small time. If you cant see that then you are even more small time that I thought.
For the record I hope they win, and I hope Derry and Pats do likewise. Speaking of the bigger picture - those 3 teams progressing would do more for the league than the hope of having a club with a 120 year history dissappearing off the map. And that is not only about coefficient ratings.
High Horses, jerking off, salivating, ....cool imagery!Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
You still miss my point (maybe intentionally, 'cause thats more fun!) - I don't wish for Bohs to go out of business, or disappear off the map, but I do want the FAI to apply the sanctions if they are found to have cheated.
I too hope Derry and Pats win, and I will be at Richmond to cheer on the Pats.
I am sure "the Pats" will be delighted to get your support as will "the Derry".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
They are found out, every Tom, Dick and Harry in this country knows they don't go about their business in the right way, people are annoyed that nothing seems to be done about it and not because it Bohs but because it's a club making a mockery out of the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
And if the shoe was on the other foot you would have every Bohs, Sligo, Drogs etc fan on here salivating from high horses or whatever it was you were saying there.
At the end of the day every LOI fan wants to see LOI teams do well in Europe but they also want to see the ones who constantly break the rules punished appropriately and from the way Bohs have gone about their business, the only fair punishment is relegation just like Shels got. But I do hope they survive and come back for the few good Bohs fans that I know
I hope they get f***in hammered.
Then again thats what rivalry is all about is it not.
Bohs wont go out of business like cork (and now derry apprently?!) but a spell in the discover ireland league will do them the world of good.
[You still miss my point (maybe intentionally, 'cause thats more fun!) - I don't wish for Bohs to go out of business, or disappear off the map, but I do want the FAI to apply the sanctions if they are found to have cheated.
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Fine so. Wait till November and then have your moan if they are proved to be over 65% and they dont get relegated. Dont see the point in having a rant about something that may or may not happen and wether the punishment does or does not get applied if it does happen !!
yes we will. He pays his money... he can call us what he likes..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
Thats fair but they are not in breach of any rules currently are they? Maybe I am missing someting fundamental (and excuse my ignorance if I am - I am not very close to all this.)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
My understanding is that they have till the end of November to get their salary expenditure under the 65% mark. They are currently over it, as other clubs were during last season, but they need to take remedial action to either reduce their wages or increase income. Provided they do one, other or both of these and get on or under 65% then I assume they broke no rules and do not have any action taken against them by the FAI. If they cant to it then they will get their punishment (relegation as stated and much deserved too). But people saying they hope they get beaten in Europe, as punishment for not actually being in breach of the rule but possibly being in breach of the rules in a few months time I just dont see it. If they are as close to being really fecked up as having to rely on a match against RedBull to survive I think the penny will have dropped with the new board if not already and action will be taken by the club. If it doesnt then I dont see the FAI bottling this one.
I think people are also sick of ineffective rules like the one which says nothing can be done until the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
Yep, thats allowed. Its the wannabe rivals who are getting unduly worked up that leave me perplexed.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
ps ...hate you too:p
Agreed. And I think thats were a lot of the frustration is coming from but thats not Bohs fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
A major overhaul of the rule must be looked at. I mean is it appropriate to be over 65% for most of the season, then either reduce a load of salaries, release a load of players or get the begging bowl out to get in under 65% come November. I would argue that its not the way you want to be running things BUT that is the way the FAI structured the rule and the that is the way clubs (yes clubs, not just Bohs) will try to be complient.
Look - it's not a case that the breach of the rules magically occurs in November - its simply assessed and ruled on then. It's a season long issue, and the crucial time is in pre-season budgeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
The club demonstrated breathtaking financial incompetence, recklessness and perhaps a complete distain for the integrity of the league and the 65% cap, then and since. Signing Ndo, Keegan and Shelley when they were clearly in the financial mire; and still it continues....July window opens and the wage bill is increased!
A breath of fresh air. What a change from the usual crew of wizened cynics who can't see the wood for the trees and who hang around like vultures whenever there's a whiff of a club in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMcC
where is your outrage in the Cork and new Derry thread? Seriously, the bee in your bonnet over Bohs is almost funny at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
And you still cant distinguish between the board that ran Bohs into this alley and the new board that is starting to lead us out of the mire.
Recalling a junior player that has gained valuable experience out on loan is hardly increasing the wage bill, especially when the loan deal to Shels hadnt been finalised when our budget was submitted at the beginning of the season.
Ndo, Keegan and Shelley were signed on less than e1000 per week after dumping Kalonas, O'Donnell, Burns, Singh, McGinlay, Thomas Heary (amongst others) and the retirement of Kevin Hunt. Four of those six players would have been in the top top bracket of earners at the club.
Now im not saying any of the above is ideal nor should it be praised but what it does help illustrate is the absolute gack that you consistently try and post as fact. It shows that your grasp of the Bohs situation is non existent and you are more interested in posting ill informed, overdramatic soundbites aimed at one club than genuinely caring about the myriad of problems throughout the league.
Ah, but from my (very limited) understanding it appears that it actually is. Because the way the rule has been set up by the FAI and implemented by them, it only matters ultimately if you are over 65% come the end of November. You could be over every month of the season but if by the end of Nov you somehow manage be under you have (according to the FAI's own rules) done nothing wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I dont actually agree with this way of running it, but that is actually what the rule means and fosters in practise. The FAI need to change how the rule is implemented and maybe by bringing in checkpoints at various parts of the season (with say points deductions) they may ensure that clubs are consistently under 65%. But as it stands Bohs have not broken any of the FAI's own rules.
Your obsession with Bohs is amazing. You spend more time worrying/posting about them then you do about your own club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Also do you not think the Cork situation shows financial incompetence etc... or do you not care & just have a total hatred of Dubs in general
Tom, Dick and most of Harry don't even know who Bohs are - I had to explain to a guy in work today that we have football teams in this country....Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
I could well be wrong but i dont believe for a second that Ndo is getting under e1000 a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
If they're on relatively small money what must some of the other guys be on for the average to be 72k a year!
you could be right. Ndo could be making more than that but there were rumours at the time of performance related bonuses being a big part of his contract. Im not saying thats gospel but its what im led to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by PartySaint
On reading that further i should have said originally that at that time we had an agreement with other clubs (Cork, Derry??) not to pay more than e1000 per week to players.
Either way, its a small part of a larger post and i dont want to get sidetracked on this issue. Either way, notwithstanding the point of my original post, he's still making too much money.
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Gerry sure stills looks the same, sounds the same ..........Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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Bohs' general secretary, Gerry Conway...."I have 100pc faith that we will not be in breach of the Protocol.. .
What are these stratagies, other then "spin that roulette wheel a bit harder"?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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okay, okay you got me - sure the wage bill is going down rapidly! Celtic are paying Carey, Shels are paying Madden,.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Enough of the gags!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Educate me please - I really would love to know how the "Bohs situation" is anything other then complete and utter mismanagement and recklessness.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
A lot of soundbites and very little substance. Am i surprised? Not a bit. You're just a winder upper and a stupid head.
Don't forget a stupid head :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
done. Thanks for the reminder... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
:D see we can be amicable!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
What kind of muppets have we got running our club?
Well it seems someone who can't do maths for a start! We took the gamble of trying to break Europe to clear our debts. I'm sorry thats a stupid idea. It's like saying 'I'm in massive debt to my bank i.e car loans, mortgage ect. and I'm struggling to pay them. Wait I've an idea to pay of some of the money. I'll keep spending and hope I can win the lotto. If I keep buying tickets I'll surely win'. this is why I stopped been a member. The boards and some fans aggorance towards all of this really boils my pi$$!
I hope and pray that next season we still have a club to support.
SunderlandBohs, I genuinely salute you for being brave enough to post your views here, and risk the inevitable vitirol that will follow from other Bohs fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
If sufficient other members were brave enough to stand up and be counted during the period when this megalomania was being hatched, this proud old club would not be facing the current abyss.
The arrogance, denial, and delusions of many fans and certainly some of current board does nothing for the club, and certainly alientates many who would otherwise have a lot of empathy for the clubs plight.
Q: Where has all the protest gone?Quote:
Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs
A: It's on the internet.
If you and just a few others in your position hadn't stopped being members and had voted at the AGM you could have helped change the board much more substantially than has been achieved.
As it is, a large part of the new board is from the reform group and is promoting a progressive agenda to get the club back on a rational footing. Damning them all isn't going to help.
Promoting a progressive agenda all sounds fine and dandy, but what action are they taking?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Is there any reduction in wage costs being implemented?
The cases of Carey and Madden indicate that there is not
Is the match on radio or tv?
http://foot.ie/forums/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=39Quote:
Originally Posted by Weatherman
(Must be the 6th time iv answered this Q!:))
cheers dunny!!! (sorry!)
Danniger not just looking like a god bet right now: http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0717/accbank.html
I'd love to see this sort of action taken against those that ran some LOI clubs in the very recent past.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_...st/8156511.stm
I know I shouldn't but here goes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Are you for real? There has been a reduction in players wages already when they agreed to take a percentage cut in their pay packet. Bohs have already been in the news stating that if somebody wants to come in to buy our players that we would not stand in their way. Madden is already on our pay roll so getting him back only strengthens numbers in our small squad. Carey will sign on loan if allowed to by the FAI, by all accounts Celtic pay the boys wages. All players are under contract and to cut contracts short leaves us in the position of having to pay out huge amounts of money that would be owed under the terms of the contracts the players have signed with the club.
What would you suggest? Let the players contracts run out and get value from same players by playing games for the club, or let them go, pay off their contracts anyway and be left with no players??
We have voted in a new board who have spent inordinate amounts of time unravelling the twisted mess that has become Bohs accounts over the last 10 years and getting some sort of understanding where we ACTUALLY stand.
You seem to suggest that Bohs supporters are living in some Shels like bubble when it comes to our club. If you bothered to visit our MB and spend some time reading posts going back YEARS, you would see that the vast majority of Bohs supporters are incredibly concerned at the state of our club off the field of play.
Your ridiculous crusade of finger pointing and shock and awe is actually aimed towards nothing. You are coming across like an idiot.
You're right. You shouldn't have. But I'm glad you did!
The reduction agreed by the players was pre-season and was overtly to facilitate the signing of additional players. These additions to the wage bill were clearly likely to push the club over the 65% limit. This is precisely why accusations of cheating are levelled at BohemiansQuote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...240625290.html
Of course it is possible, but not very credible, that Celtic are prepared to pay Careys wages, and that Bohs were paying Maddens wages while at Shels. Clearly, whatever the facts are, the Bohs wage bill will not be reduced by these two transactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
Not quite! The Evening Herald reported Pat Fenlon as saying that "players won't be leaving to go to clubs in this country" and "If players have to go outside the country and we don't get the fees we demand, that's something we've got to look at"Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/fe...s-1783597.html
I accept the point, with some reservations - no doubt many of the new board are responsible and diligent people; Gerry Conway is a pivital link between both boards, and his recent utterings following the fans forum do not indicate any new found awareness.Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
But the real point here is that intent is one thing - action is another.
Unfortunately, for many Bohs fans, the emergence from this "bubble" is a recent phenomenon. I have visited the Bohs forum and until recently it was very hard to find many dissenting voices among the din of "we are invincible"Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlesThompson
Wish I didn't now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
I'm surprised no-ome else has raised this.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Wouldn't such an above agreement be against EU law - effectively a cartel to suppress wages in a certain sector within Ireland ?