Tribune: FAI bans 30 in campdown on hooligans

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Originally Posted by cheech

Specific for Derry?

Okay Shamrock Rovers fans getting battered in the Brandywell by your security.

Derry fans fighting fans in the Cat and Cage.

Specific in general?

There have been many many incidents this last few seasons with the schooligans from more than one club.

"yeah, when did you see it? I haven't seen trouble at a game in years and I support a team who supposedly has one of the worst problems. In fact the only thing that would come close to being called trouble I've seen at games was the Gardaí almost kicking off a few times with their supposed "crowd control" measures."

Hill 16 Pub Rovers and Bohs fans.
Inchicore Rovers and Bohs fans bus wrecked, mini riot on street.
Bohs schooligans attacking buses that Rovers fans get from Tolka after their games.
Pats V Cork. Cork fan gets nose broke. Another gets split with rock while in Richmond Park.
Rovers fans attacking Section A in Dalymount Park.
Dundalk fans attacking Rovers fans outside Oriel Park.
Young Shels fan gets bottled nearly loses an eye by Bohs fan outside Tolka.
Young Bray fan gets badly beaten up outside Finn Park by Harps fans.
Bohs fans attack pub in Derry.
Rovers fans attacked outside ground in Limerick.
Rovers fan getting glassed in face in Horseshoe by Cork fan.
Young Harps fan gets nose broke outside Showgrounds by Sligo fan.

Thats just off the top of my head.

I'm not saying that hooliganism is widespread in the league because it is not. But it is there and to make a joke of it or to say it doesn't happen is not helpful.

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Sorry m8, I stand outside the ground before and after all City games and not once did any violent incident ever occur

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Originally Posted by shefellover93

Sorry m8, I stand outside the ground before and after all City games and not once did any violent incident ever occur

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Sorry 'm8' but that's actually not true.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Sorry 'm8' but that's actually not true.

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Well sorry for using the word 'm8', no need to take offense:rolleyes:

It is true, I stand directly outside the Horseshoe and have done for the last 4/5 years and not once has there been a violent incident, that's the truth and I think I'd know considering the fact that I was standing outside there. I mean if there were other incidents outside the front I imagine a crowd would have formed/something would have indicated that an incident took place. Maybe this incident was before that and in that case I apologize but it hasn't happened in the last 4/5 years and I can promise you that

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Originally Posted by shefellover93

Well sorry for using the word 'm8', no need to take offense:rolleyes:

It is true, I stand directly outside the Horseshoe and have done for the last 4/5 years and not once has there been a violent incident, that's the truth and I think I'd know considering the fact that I was standing outside there. I mean if there were other incidents outside the front I imagine a crowd would have formed/something would have indicated that an incident took place. Maybe this incident was before that and in that case I apologize but it hasn't happened in the last 4/5 years and I can promise you that

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I know of at least 2 seperate incidents that happened to Rovers fans around Turners Cross last month. I don't have proof to link to here so not going into detail on them but whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant, it happened.

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I don't have proof to link to here so not going into detail on them but whether you choose to believe it or not is irrelevant, it happened.

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This is the problem. What do people here accept as 'proof'? Does it have to be reported in the papers? Pictures of injuries? Incidents caught on tape?

95% of all these incidents are one guy saying 'I seen this' and another saying 'I don't believe ya, where's the proof?' and it just goes round and round.

A bit like most threads on foot.ie, in fact.

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Originally Posted by brianw82

This is the problem. What do people here accept as 'proof'? Does it have to be reported in the papers? Pictures of injuries? Incidents caught on tape?

95% of all these incidents are one guy saying 'I seen this' and another saying 'I don't believe ya, where's the proof?' and it just goes round and round.

A bit like most threads on foot.ie, in fact.

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:rolleyes:, I wouldn't normally comment but for the fact that shefellover is stating with such fact that nothing happened in Cork in the last 5 years when I know that's not true.

I could say here that no crowd incidents happen at the Showgrounds too but why deny that things do? Rarely, and generally nothing serious but stuff still happens.

Actually if you read my post I said nothing happened outside the Horseshoe fact. I didn't deny that nothing happened around Turners Cross, I know that incidents happen there very rarely, same with every ground, and the problem with this article in the first place is that fact that it's sensationalizing these incidents and pretending that it's a major problem. Something that I think we all can agree is definitely not true

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Originally Posted by shefellover93

Well sorry for using the word 'm8', no need to take offense:rolleyes:

It is true, I stand directly outside the Horseshoe and have done for the last 4/5 years and not once has there been a violent incident, that's the truth and I think I'd know considering the fact that I was standing outside there. I mean if there were other incidents outside the front I imagine a crowd would have formed/something would have indicated that an incident took place. Maybe this incident was before that and in that case I apologize but it hasn't happened in the last 4/5 years and I can promise you that

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There was an incident inside the bar about 7-8 years ago, before Rovers fans were barred. I think thats what he was on about. To be honest i think its a poor argument if you're going that far back to prove a point, so much so that it dilutes the point(s) being made to the extent that the argument should not even be entertained.

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Originally Posted by A face

There was an incident inside the bar about 7-8 years ago, before Rovers fans were barred. I think thats what he was on about. To be honest i think its a poor argument if you're going that far back to prove a point, so much so that it dilutes the point(s) being made to the extent that the argument should not even be entertained.

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You referring to me? When I say Rovers I mean Rovers, not Shams. And it was last month, not 7-8 years ago. But don't let the Rebel Army glasses affect yer eyesight A face;)

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Originally Posted by sligoman

You referring to me? When I say Rovers I mean Rovers, not Shams. And it was last month, not 7-8 years ago. But don't let the Rebel Army glasses affect yer eyesight A face;)

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Post # 122 Cheech is quoted and its that that i am referring to, and last month ..... what happened there and how come no one has heard anything about it only in this thread.

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Originally Posted by A face

There was an incident inside the bar about 7-8 years ago, before Rovers fans were barred. I think thats what he was on about. To be honest i think its a poor argument if you're going that far back to prove a point, so much so that it dilutes the point(s) being made to the extent that the argument should not even be entertained.

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Look it wasn't 7-8 years ago but I'm not going to get into an debate about the timeframe. The guy has serious facial scars for life, so if you think that it is a 'poor argument' then that is your perogative.

My wife works in the Mater Hospital with the Rovers fans friend. That is how I know about the incident.

Someone asked me to name serious incidents and I named a few off the top of my head.

Everyone jumped on a point I made, including yourself until it was pointed out that for everyones belittling and pontificating at me, you were all agruing about something I hadn't even said. Your absence (like the rest of the firing squad) from the thread since speaks volumes.

I will make my point one last time.

The newspaper article was poor and I wasn't defending it. I was responding to peoples reactions to it where posters were claiming that there is no trouble in our utopian league. We all know there is so what is the point in denying it?

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Originally Posted by cheech

There have been many incidents in our league over the past 5 years.

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You may want to re-interpret your understanding of the word "many" in the context of your view on the next quote...

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Originally Posted by cheech

Do you think that there is a hooligan problem in England? Obviously not as there is very rarely - more rarely than here maybe - trouble in or around the grounds in England.

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You insinuated Irish football had a greater problem that England and you were wrong. Plain and simple, wrong. Therefore save the crying that you are somehow being victimised for delivering an inconvenient truth.

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Originally Posted by cheech

I will make my point one last time.

The newspaper article was poor and I wasn't defending it. I was responding to peoples reactions to it where posters were claiming that there is no trouble in our utopian league. We all know there is so what is the point in denying it?

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Who claimed there was no trouble? Come on, back up your post by provding quotes.

Yes, there have been isolated incidents in Ireland, but the newspaper article was sensationalist and as a comparator Ireland still has much less football related violence than the vast majority of European countries (including England).

The reason people aren't posting any more is because the substance of your post was proved incorrect.

Can everyone not agree that the article is a load of sh!te. There is a schooligan problem at every club except ucd and that more needs to be done to stop the little rats attaching themselves to the clubs.

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Originally Posted by celticV3

Can everyone not agree that the article is a load of sh!te. There is a schooligan problem at every club except ucd and that more needs to be done to stop the little rats attaching themselves to the clubs.

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Limerick doesn't have a schooligan problem, neither does Monaghan for one, or Wexford, the Kildare crowd aren't what I'd call schooligans, just annoying kids, will Mervue have them?

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Originally Posted by cheech

Thank you man.

You voice an opinion and you are ridiculed. People think you are saying something else, put you down and dance all over your grave.

Even on the internet people don't like getting things wrong.

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http://www.reallifephotos.org/wp-con...8_05/wrong.jpg

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Originally Posted by cheech

Even on the internet people don't like getting things wrong.

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And no better example than yourself.

'Cry me a river...'

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

And no better example than yourself.

'Cry me a river...'

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Yawn. You again? Enough crying of rivers about your town from you on the Derry forum. You are as popular as Pat Fenlon with your own fans so don't expect other fans to pay any attention to you when Derry supporters don't.

At least it wasn't your usual self indulgent rubbish all the same.

Thanks for the brief respite.

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

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Good man. I enjoyed that.

Didn't think you would have the time, what with world domination to complete and 4 million euros to come by.... :rolleyes:

This is a hooligan problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvtZYJg2VFE

We most certainly have a problem with young fellas after watching the football factories and green street mixed with hormones.

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Originally Posted by celticV3

This is a hooligan problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvtZYJg2VFE

We most certainly have a problem with young fellas after watching the football factories and green street mixed with hormones.

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That is a few dozen pussies being held back by two stewards.

Hooligan = Coward


Also, why is dutch music sooooo universally awful :)

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

That is a few dozen pussies being held back by two stewards.

Hooligan = Coward


Also, why is dutch music sooooo universally awful :)

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I'd nearly pay for your ticket to Den Haag to say that to them "pussies":rolleyes:

Ireland does not havea hooligan problem. That is not to say we don't have hooligans, but the situation is hardly as bad as to say we have a problem. I'm sure their are more fights in the capital on a saturday night than around the league on matchday weekends.

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Originally Posted by cheech

Yawn. You again? Enough crying of rivers about your town from you on the Derry forum. You are as popular as Pat Fenlon with your own fans so don't expect other fans to pay any attention to you when Derry supporters don't.

At least it wasn't your usual self indulgent rubbish all the same.

Thanks for the brief respite.

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Just you keep digging in that hole fella....

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Originally Posted by celticV3

I'd nearly pay for your ticket to Den Haag to say that to them "pussies":rolleyes:

Ireland does not havea hooligan problem. That is not to say we don't have hooligans, but the situation is hardly as bad as to say we have a problem. I'm sure their are more fights in the capital on a saturday night than around the league on matchday weekends.

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this is what annoys me so much about these stories, yes stuff happens at football games, but it is nothing compared to whats happening outside any chipper in any town in ireland on a friday or saturday night

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Originally Posted by celticV3

I'd nearly pay for your ticket to Den Haag to say that to them "pussies":rolleyes:

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Roll your eyes all you want champ.

I'm sure they would all be propah geezas, top boys, up for a ruck etc etc etc if it was just me by myself.

Hooligan = Coward.

There was an interesting study done in Italy once where it was discovered that more than half of all active ultras gave up when they found a steady girlfriend. There's a moral in there somewhere..........*






* I do of course realise the difference between ultras and hooligans so lets try not to have another one of those threads please.

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Roll your eyes all you want champ.

I'm sure they would all be propah geezas, top boys, up for a ruck etc etc etc if it was just me by myself.

Hooligan = Coward.

There was an interesting study done in Italy once where it was discovered that more than half of all active ultras gave up when they found a steady girlfriend. There's a moral in there somewhere...........

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I think your waiting for some form of justification for the hooligan scene from me? Keep waiting. I am merely saying that the above video is an example of a league with serious hooligan problems, the LOI does not ahve a major hooligan problem, not even a semi serious problem therefore this article is a joke because the gardai aren't going to do a tap and the FAI will say it is the responsibility for all the clubs?

What ever your opinion or thoughts on the individulas behind ultras and more than likely hooligans are thats grand but It has little relevancy to do with a rag newspaper article?

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Originally Posted by celticV3

I think your waiting for some form of justification for the hooligan scene from me?

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Not at all.

I'm merely pointing out that in my humble opinion the vast vast majority of football hooligans are cowardly tossers who proably have daddy issues.

I'm sure there are the odd few "hard men" sprinkled among there ranks but it's the same with every large group of men.

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little relevancy to do with a rag newspaper article

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Anymore oh so relevant videos of ADO Den Haag for us so, you know really add to the debate??

[QUOTE=Lim till i die;1073883]Not at all.

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I'm merely pointing out that in my humble opinion the vast vast majority of football hooligans are cowardly tossers who proably have daddy issues.

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I'm sure it is along those lines but as a student doing psychology i'm certain it has more than just daddy issues as its root.

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Anymore oh so relevant videos of ADO Den Haag for us so, you know really add to the debate??

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Well that I think that video was relelvant, it showed a league that has a hooligan problem, find me evidence of anything simular to that happening in ireland?

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Originally Posted by celticV3

as a student doing psychology i'm certain it has more than just daddy issues as its root.

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Really??

Do you reckon so??

That's really deep that is..................







D'UH!!

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Well that I think that video was relelvant, it showed a league that has a hooligan problem, find me evidence of anything simular to that happening in ireland?

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Those clowns running the length of the pitch only to throw hilarious shapes when they finally got to the other side was basically a "grown up" version of Shels v Limerick a few weeks ago.

If you want to see scuts bothering a linesman may I suggest your local park any Sunday morning.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Just you keep digging in that hole fella....

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Serious question for you if you can move away from that mirror.

Are you basing your facts and/or assumptions regarding hooliganism in the UK on what you can glean off the net like you do with our league or do you actually go to games?

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Really??

Do you reckon so??

That's really deep that is..................







D'UH!!



Those clowns running the length of the pitch only to throw hilarious shapes when they finally got to the other side was basically a "grown up" version of Shels v Limerick a few weeks ago.

If you want to see scuts bothering a linesman may I suggest your local park any Sunday morning.

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LOL. Don't bother hoss.

If you don't agree with the resident LOI-Lectuals on here then there is a witch-hunt....they don't like you having an opinion lad.

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Originally Posted by cheech

Serious question for you if you can move away from that mirror.

Are you basing your facts and/or assumptions regarding hooliganism in the UK on what you can glean off the net like you do with our league or do you actually go to games?

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I occasionally go to games in England and Scotland - at a variety of levels - but I don't see what difference that makes ? :confused: Either hooliganism occurs or it doesn't - I don't have to be there personally for it to be officially confirmed.

Did you hear about the fighting in the stadium at the end of Man City v Everton yesterday btw ? I wasn't there, but it still happened (and unusally it was reported by Football Focus on the BBC nationally).

The bottom line mucker is that you came on here swinging your arms around, telling everyone they were wrong to criticise the Tribune because there is more trouble in the Eircom League than in England. That assertion is clearly nonesense, which is why you've been slated by the vast majority of people on here ever since. You were wrong - no big deal, it happens, we all get things wrong on the interweb at times ( I certainly do :) ). But since then, rather than just recognise you got it a bit wrong, you've instead resorted to a combination of feeble victimhood status and grovellingly thanking anyone who even vaguely supports you. Let it go fella...

This is my last word on this, as I really can't be bothered responding to your petty digs or fuelling your victimhood mentality any more. :ball: 

Everton V Man U 2007. Plenty more where that came from on youtube

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Originally Posted by cheech

LOL. Don't bother hoss.

If you don't agree with the resident LOI-Lectuals on here then there is a witch-hunt....they don't like you having an opinion lad.

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Still picking and choosing the posts you reply to?

Everybody's allowed an opinion, but be prepared to back it up. Yours was factually incorrect and based on gutter media "opinions".

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

i occasionally go to games in england and scotland - at a variety of levels - but i don't see what difference that makes ? :confused: Either hooliganism occurs or it doesn't - i don't have to be there personally for it to be officially confirmed.

Did you hear about the fighting in the stadium at the end of man city v everton yesterday btw ? I wasn't there, but it still happened (and unusally it was reported by football focus on the bbc nationally).

The bottom line mucker is that you came on here swinging your arms around, telling everyone they were wrong to criticise the tribune because there is more trouble in the eircom league than in england. that assertion is clearly nonesense, which is why you've been slated by the vast majority of people on here ever since. You were wrong - no big deal, it happens, we all get things wrong on the interweb at times ( i certainly do :) ). But since then, rather than just recognise you got it a bit wrong, you've instead resorted to a combination of feeble victimhood status and grovellingly thanking anyone who even vaguely supports you. Let it go fella...

This is my last word on this, as i really can't be bothered responding to your petty digs or fuelling your victimhood mentality any more. :ball: 

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no i f**king didn't.

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Originally Posted by cheech

no i f**king didn't.

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Yes you did. Thats exactly what you said.

Read my helpful quote of your posts from the last page.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Yes you did. Thats exactly what you said.

Read my helpful quote of your posts from the last page.

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Whatever baldy.

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Originally Posted by cheech

Whatever baldy.

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Me or Steve? :D

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Originally Posted by cheech

Whatever baldy.

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Are you done so?

And cheech, dont feel bad because you got it wrong. The media here take advantage of people not having direct access to info of what actually happens. It makes their life easier for them and their spin, and its just so they can sell more papers. Bad news sells more so they are not going to paint it in a good light ...... ever. Have the strength to make up your own mind.

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Originally Posted by cheech

Are you for real?

Busload of drunken Bohs fans smashed up a pub the day of a game.

Do you not find that slightly relevant to the LOI?

Do you think that there is a hooligan problem in England?

Obviously not as there is very rarely - more rarely than here maybe - trouble in or around the grounds in England.

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Lads, I don't think this sentence was meant to be taken literally.
Am I the only one who detects the hint of sarcasm?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Me or Steve? :D

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Both but mostly you Kev. ;)

See Jinxy's post above.