Hilarious that you don't like a bit of your own medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Its karma for all the other threads you've jumped into and added nothing other than inane, WUM-type posts for your own self amusement.
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Hilarious that you don't like a bit of your own medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Its karma for all the other threads you've jumped into and added nothing other than inane, WUM-type posts for your own self amusement.
When have Sunderland ever been able to sign great players? Never. So Keane did a reasonable job bringing in players like Malbranque and Cisse. I am surprised he resigned as I still believe he has the makings of a good manager. Look at Fergies record in his first 3 years at United. And I can remember Howard Kendall being a couple of minutes away from the sack when Everton snatched a late goal against Norwich in a an FA cup match. Everton went on to win the FA cup/league and cup winners cup. I can see him returning to management in a few years. He could do worse than follow Tony Adam's example and go abroad and learn the ropes.
I'm with you Hibernian on this one. There are lots of people in Ireland and on this forum that want to see Keane fall flat on his face. Why?
1: WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
2. He played for Man Utd and was a winner? Lots of Irish Liverpool fans unfortunately....
3. Irish people started to watch Sunderland once he became manager? Who gives a flying f***? It's not his fault the Irish are good at jumping on the bandwagon.
4. Dunphy wrote his book?
5. He's from Cork?
6. He had more money to spend at Sunderland than Mick? Why should that get your knickers in a twist anyway.
I moved it because precisely 0 of the 20 plus posts after your opening post, including another one from yourself I might add , had any reference to the Irish players at the club, Had I been "stifling" discussion then surely I would have locked it rather than moved it to its more appropriate forum .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
well we could see this coming....
bad manager imho.
smelt like something was going terribly wrong for weeks, publicly questioning the players, questioning their attitude, seemed like their was nothing ever staying in-house which in fairness to Fergie (who he was inevitably compared to) everything usually does.
he spent copious amounts of money on players that never really improved his squad. granted he came up from the championship after a great run but he has been out of his depth in the premier league.
don't know if he is cut out for management but no doubt he will get another shot at it, whether he has the belly for it remains to be seen.
Attitude of people who follow Keane is to be expected, so we must be patient with them.
A person in whom they firmly believed has failed and its hard to take. It will take time for them to heal and when they do we should not say ' I told you so'. They will have reached the point of reality.
Eureka!!
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Originally Posted by elroy
:rolleyes: - its called football management - look at the type of players that Redknapp attracted to Portsmouth - or the gems that A Wenger always unearths
I blame the beard to be honest. I feel that was the real problem and the sooner someone gets to the heart of the matter I think it could be solved. Otherwise they will have a close shave with relegation this year and Gillet make take over next year.
Smasher - i am one who is holding my hand up! (but he was to be unquestioned as a player!)Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
no probs with number 1, or 2, never supported Sunderland, actually like Dunphy despite all his rants, love Cork...................but do have a problem with number 6
Give a manager a shed load of money -70 million and you should expect much better - but its also the players he bought - about 90% of his buys were atrocious - Miller, Mcshane, Richardson, Reid, Chopra, etc etc
They are plumbing the depths at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
This may help them get through the pain.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4mUmdR...eature=related
Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
WC 2002? He got us there. Without him we wouldn't have been at that particular world cup.
Without Given, Mcateer , Robbie Keane and a few others, we would not have got their either, plus we had an amazing amount of luck in the home games against Portugal, where they ran us off the park for the first half hour and against the Dutch where Given brought down van Nistleroy and made it looked like he slipped. I agree Keane had a great qualifying tournanment, but he didn't get us there single handedly.
Good luck Roy.
Sad to see any Irish manager go, but he wasn't doing a good enough job, particularly at improving team quality through signings. I think he made the right decision today.
Hopefully he will get a job at a lower level, and learn from some of the mistakes he has made at Sunderland, and maybe we'll see him at a higher level in the future.
I for one wish him well.
i think Keane was right in Saipan in all fairness though...
did he bring sunderland as far as he could or do people think that he may well have turned things around if he had been given a little more time?he's spent an awful amount of money and doesn't really have all that much to show for it at the end of the day!
very good :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Maybe he could become manager of the Blades? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
he should have hung around till after christmas but im thinking he felt that they would get worse and didnt want to be fired at that time, rather than now saying he left of his own accord. He wont get back into management again or if he does he will find it very hard, but ill say it will be in a few more years.
this is already in the world forum.
At face value, this seems a 'lame weak' move on RK's part.
I have been a *huge* admirer of Keane but this seems to be a case of quitting the moment things got difficult.
He had the budget, the players - he should be be man enough to try and ride this difficult situation out. If you're the big man - who cares what the press (Dunphy etc ) think - be a leader, knuckle down and prove the doubters wrong.
At least give it your best shot and go down knowing you've given it your all. If you don't have the support of the board of directors - hunker down, pull your socks up and make do with what you have.
I don't know the full story - it just seems very, very lame.
I'm so disappointed in Roy Keane today. I really thought he was the business.
"when the going gets rough, the tough get going"
- it appears RMK wasn't so tough after all.
Best suggestion all day. Not sure they have €80million to spend though, thank God, but it will still be great if he got them in debt;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pauro 76
Not true. I referred to the Irish players there :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gustavo
The Keane debate will always go back to the Saipan thing. I won't deny for a minute I hoped he'd fail at Sunderland. I used to travel around the world supporting Ireland with a friend of mine (we knew each other since we were about 10). He was in the Keane camp and refused to go to any more Irish games. I haven't seen him since the Iran game at Lansdowne. It runs that deep in the Irish psyche and nearly all the debate here about his managerial expertise is based on which camp the person was in back in 2002. The fact that he was supported by Dunphy makes it twice as bad. So I just couldn't get in to "he's a good manager/ worse/better manager than Mick" thing. It's just the same old stuff in another guise and do we really want to go there?
Mind you if he went to Wednesday: "Keano, there's only one Keano..."
I have heard it all now...Holy GodQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Dont forget he was actually a winner and we love to knock our winners in IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Agree with other points too
Precicely one then :pQuote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
I hope he gets back in management soon though I wouldn't fancy being a fan of that club when things are going bad
Takes one of the eircom leauge's top players and ends him off too bloody Dundee then shags off :rolleyes:
I've always disliked him since Saipan despite the fact he had some valid gripes I felt he handled it incredibly badly. I've always felt that he acts irrationally when things aren't going his way and that he wouldn't have behaved as he did in Saipan had Man U actually won anything in 01/02. The fact that they hadn't put him into one of his 'dark places' and Saipan pushed him over the edge. I see similarities today, his head was wrecked so he walked away without knuckling down and trying to overcome the difficulties.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
As regards your points, Keane was immense in the 02 qualifiers but without input from the likes of McAteer, Robbie Keane, Given and even Ian Harte (joint top scorer) we wouldn't have qualified. The way history has been re-written to make it solely Keane's achievement is nauseating.
I may dislike Man U but loved Denis Irwin, Paul McGrath, Kevin Moran, even Stapleton (not to mention the legend that was Ashley Grimes) when they played for Ireland, club feelings shouldn't come into it. Some people disliked Keane because of the thuggish manner he behaved on the pitch on occasion. Deliberately injuring a player because he'd injured himself trying to kick him previously?? Shameful.
To be honesty the whole Sund-Ireland thing was embarrassing and should have been anathema to any football fan, by all means take a defree of an interest but a club (or country) should always be bigger then one man.
No one takes Dunphy seriously, entertaining as he is.
'Ireland by birth, Cork by the grace of God.' Never got that myself, I'm Irish first and a Dub second.
If you're judging a managers record then their transfer dealings have to be considered, McCarthy got slated for his record and a huge number of Keane's fans revelled in the fact that his Sunderland team struggled. The fact that McCarthy spent about £4m in 3 years and recouped about £15.5m and Keane spenty about £80m and recouped around £8m can't be ignored. Any judgement I've made on KEane's managerial ability has been done solely on his record without being clouded by 2002. His transfer dealing have been abysmal without a doubt.
Not surprised he's gone, tbh.
He was wasting money. Seriously, how many players did he sign and then leave out in the cold?
I don't think he really knew his best team, big problem for any manager. Also, he never seemed to be able to motivate his players.
I genuinely feel sorry for real Sunderland fans though. They probably had a lot of high hopes when Quinn took over. They went up and stayed up but now they are out 80m and have a lot of average players in their side. Then the going gets tough and they're stuck with a team that's really struggling and it doesn't seem like they can turn it around.
I don't think he'll be without a job for long. There's something about him that convinces people he'll be a good manager.
Depends on your point of view. Im Corkonian first, Irish second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Anyway, he wasted money, paid over the odds for poor players and was always going to pay the price eventually
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Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
Couldn't be happier. First time I've ever been delighted to see someone fail and it feels wonderful to see a man, whose blind supporters think is a one- man-defeat-repellent, exposed as the weak minded, throw my toys out of the pram bully that he always was.
The man was a wonderful player, an intelligent man and entertaining to listen to. For all that, he's a c**t. For example:
A cowardly kick out at Haaland because he was having a rubbish game and injured himself in the process.
Tried to end Haaland's career because Haaland justifiably thought Keane was trying it on in that Leeds game. Got sent off with a game poised at 1-1 and incurred a ban at the same time. Hardly the actions of a man who puts winning first.
Elbowed McAteer with a game poised at 1-1 for personal revenge over comments about his book.
Walked out on his country.
Spat the dummy at United when he was no longer up to it.
Walked out on Sunderland when he was exposed as the poor manager he is.
Keane is scum. Hopefully he will disappear for good. Either way, I'm having a few drinks in celebration tonight, I've waited for this for a few years now. :D:D:D
Given $70m to spend, I think quite a few could have done better......but with the players and bank balance Keane has left behind you're probably right.Quote:
Originally Posted by elroy
Gk- Gordon
RB- Chimbonda
LB- Mc Cartney
CB- A Ferdinand
CB- Collins/ Nosworthy
LM- A Reid
RM- Malbranque
CM- Whitehead
CM- Richardson
CF- Cisse
CF- Jones
Thats not a bad team the players were there for mid to top half of the table. Obviously something is wrong in the dressing room. Keane could have rode out the storm but choose to ride off into the sunset. Shame on you mister Keane cant believe he walked away. When the tough gets going Keane gets gone...
Shows poor character tbf, stupid too, walking out now will probably hurt his job prospects just as much as getting relegated would have, he should have stayed untill the end of the season and if they survived he could quit then and save face, as it is now I doubt another decent team is going to give him a chance and I don't see Keane having the patience to work his way up through the lower leagues. Whats left for Keane now, Punditry?
I hope he's back as soon as possible. Gives hours of entertainment when he's in the spotlight, not least provided by the very witty Mario Rosenstock. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, tune in to the Dempsey show weekday mornings around 8.10. Brilliant!!!
Yawn!!! Haven't heard any of this before.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
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Originally Posted by barney
Id hate to go through my life as bitter as that
Anyone see some gobsh!te from Drumaville on TV3 going on about how 'the lads were devastated' and how it had been such 'a proud day' when an Irish consortium could buy 'a premier league club in England' - I'm so not a republican, I'm nearly a unionist, but that level of cultural cringe makes me sick; proud because you can buy a 'real' football club in another country, because if it was in ireland it'd only be a copy, (like)
Thank your lucky stars you're not Roy Keane so......Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
eh... didnt he tear his cruciate in that tackle? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by barney
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
Go and YouTube the tackle. He kicked Haaland from behind, with the ball nowhere in sight, Haaland gets up and Keane is staying down for a tackle that he would and should have been booked for. His natural reaction was that Keane was faking. What Haaland did was not unreasonable. If Keane was really that sore over it, he should have had it out man to man with him but instead he attacked him like a coward in the middle of a game five years later and tried to end his career.
I'm not a bitter person. Just cannot stand Roy Keane and his legion of blind followers.
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
I'd hate to go through life so bitter than I'd aim to deliberately injure a man and try to end his career. Takes all sorts though.