I know a lot of the players are not regulars at their respective clubs,but the list of teams where our starting 11 are based is certainly impressive, when compared to the 3 British teams of Wales Scotland and NI.
I know a lot of the players are not regulars at their respective clubs,but the list of teams where our starting 11 are based is certainly impressive, when compared to the 3 British teams of Wales Scotland and NI.
I think Staunton's decisions tended to be riduculed after it was clear that they had turned out to be the wrong ones. We'll see how Gibbo gets on 2m, cud go wither way. And anyway, as you've rightly pointed out, so far trap has been right more than he's been wrong. ah blazes i can't wait for 2m night
Shocked to be honest. I think he must have seen that Cyprus were too physical for Miller. Huge gamble but then again, this is Cyprus. At home.
Time to step up Mr. Gibson and do your country proud!
That's Stan, this is Trap.. Trap gets the benefit of the doubt, fans genuinely felt they knew more than Stan and they probably did. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Very good point....and I did slaughter Staunton for doing something similiar...Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
it was in this very same game against the cypriots last year that an inexperienced Joey O'Brien lined out in centre mid after excelling at centre half against Germany a few days earlier. However, the main absurdity as I saw it was not his lack of experience but the fact that he was shifted out of a position he proved himself in and now he was under pressure to prove himself all over again....and as we all know, and as I thought it would go before hand, he had a shocker. I felt very sorry for Joey O'Brien that night.
I don't agree with playing Gibson ahead of Andy Reid, especially at home, but have to admit he is a good like for like replacement for Steven Reid - same sort of composure on the ball and they're even a similiar build. One things for sure he will see more of the ball than any other irish player tomorrow so hopefully he steps up to the plate and has a blinder:ball:
Its a fair point but at least Trap is explaining his decisions and has a set system that the players have to fit in to whereas Stan seemed to be making it up as he went along. He wants a physical presence in midfield and he obviously thinks having seen them in training that Gibson has more than Miller.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Its a gamble but with Trap you get the feeling that it is a highly calculated gamble rather than total guess work from Staunton
Hope Howard Wells enjoys watching Gibson playing for Ireland from the job queue tomorrow! :D
Darron Gibson will be thrown into the heat of World Cup battle on Wednesday night as Republic of Ireland boss Giovanni Trapattoni gambles on one of his new finds.
The 20-year-old Manchester United starlet will win his third senior cap alongside Glenn Whelan, who himself will be playing just his sixth full international game, against Cyprus at Croke Park.
opinions? personally i trust traps judgment completely and i dont think he'd make a decision like this without being confident. also i hope he doesnt break up the o'shea + dunne partnership but i dont think he will
Also, a major difference is that this is a home game. Staunton gambled with Gibson away from home. Even though this an important game, with us being at home and having more of the ball Gibson should - in a sense - be under far less pressure. Even though Cyprus have been a bit of a thorn in our side in recent times, we are still far superior to them. We should win it relatively comfortably, even with a gamble like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Whats the betting on Gibson getting Man of The Match tomorrow night?
Looks like McShane's gonna play centre half thanfully.
Trapattoni: "McShane is a stopper, but on the left, they have Aloneftis, and he is one of the most dangerous players in their team.
"I can start with him or I can start with John. In the last game, John and Dunne played very well in the middle, but Aloneftis is very, very dangerous and maybe he needs particular attention."
Playing Andrews would have been a huge call; putting him into the mix on his debut in a qualifying game.
Gibson may not have regular football going for him, but he does have 2 caps to his name, one of which was competitive. Fair enough, he may not have played many minutes, but he is a talented footballer and very athletic too.
I trust Trap's call on this.
Same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Hadn't considered this. McShane was my previous opinion to be best option at right back but if Cyprus do have a pacy winger, it may be a better option to stick O'Shea out there. Hopefully we will dominate possession and it won't be much of a problem as there wingers will be used to track back and defend away from home.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I think we may just have to accept that Andy Reid is not part of this team. Gibson over Miller is a good choice in my opinion.
No sense in being outraged by the midfield selection. Even if Andy Reid started we would still have one of the other inexperienced lads in there so...meh
Poor Andy Reid must be wondering what he did to not get called up.
I'm amazed that this is popular opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brendan 82
Miller won't set the world alight, but he's been proven as a decent performer.
Gibson has a worrying lack of experience.
Im not as confident as yourself. Cyprus already have an away point in the Group and were only beaten with a 92nd minute winner by Group favourites Italy. Add to that our ropey record against them plus an untried an inexperienced central midfield partnership. Ill gladly take a low scoring win with an accomplished, solid performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
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Originally Posted by joe_denilson
I can't believe regular posters such as yourself hadn't considered this. With Okkas (if he plays) pushing wide as well, I never expected McShane to start full back.
there was no bigger fan than me of miller back in his celtic days but the only thing hes been decent at lately is giving away free kicks at the edge of his own box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
the problem is a Reid/Miller parnership just will not win the ball. Miller is not a ball-winner and nor is Reid. Trapp thinks that our wingers are skillful enough to cause damage IF they get the ball. They won't get the ball with a Reid Miller midfield. I think they might with Gibson/Whelan. This is still Cyprus. Better than usual but not that great of a team.
Some people seem to have this Faraway Hills syndrome about players who we've never seen play before.
I've seen Whelan play two strong games against teams no worse than Cyprus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
Ive seen Gibson quite a bit for the u21s and is definately a good player... whether hes ready for this step up yet is the question, Im excited about it thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
Think back again. In the Cyprus game you are thinking of the central midfield was Ireland and Kilbane. Staunton foolishly refused to call up Carsley. There is a massive difference in physicality between Whealan + Gibson than Ireland + Kilbane. The central midfield tomorrow night may be untested but it is far from lightweight. Whatever central midfield was picked it would have been untested. Trap has his reasons for not playing A. Reid and we have to respect that. Most of us here would have him playing but if we get the results then we will have to accept Traps opinion on Reiddy. IMO of the squad Gibson is the most similar player to S. Reid. I hope he rises to the occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Miller has had chance after chance and just simply has not taken them. Putting him in there 2moro nite wud be a step backwards IMO. He is not going to amount to anything and will never get remotely near to fulfilling the potential he showed in the Celtic days. He's 28 at the start of next yr and should be written off as a bad debt in the international sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
Gibson is only 20, highly rated at Utd, has over 50 first team appearances under his belt at Wolves and Antwerp, and has had a number of years training with the Utd 1st team and playing in the reserves. At 6.4 he's also a lot more physically imposing than Miller. Considering the lack of central midfield options and Trap's mantra of, "you can change the player but not the system" (ie no andy reid), Gibson deserves a chance 2moro nite. He wont get a better opportunity than Cyprus at home to make his home competitive debut. The only other viable option is Andrews who has looked reasonably competent at blackburn this season but I'd definitely prefer Gibson (8 yrs his junior) in there. Best of luck 2moro nite son!
thats interesting i'd like a fiver on that, assuming we dont put 2 or 3 past them.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
he is 6 ft is he not?
Miller and Whelan against Colombia was severely lacking in any sort of creativity. There was very little movement and link up on the ball. One thing that sticks in my head... McGeady had the ball on the left, he stood there for about 3 seconds waiting to play the pass. The midfielders stood there behind Colombian plays and didn't make themselves available. McGeady was dispossessed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
I don't know enough about Gibson but Miller and Whelan isn't good enough.
Never seen him play a good game for IrelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
I trust Trappatoni's judgement, therefore i havn't a problem with Gibson playing. Regardlesss I think Gibson is going to be a potential world class player in the future.
My bad i meant to say he was 4 inches taller than MillerQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's going to be a big test for Gibson but he certainly has the ability to do the job tomorrow night.
Detailed preview of the match tomorrow here
http://www.thefreekick.com/dynamics/showentry.php?e=23
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Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Have to agree with you there. He may not be getting a lot of football at present but he is some player. He is strong with a good engine and has some shot on him.He did not play in the centre for Wolves and was used right side of mid field which did not suit him. Gibson playing in the centre for us takes away some of the disappointment of Reid not playing. Anyway the best of luck to him.
i concur!Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
The 26 country representative team?Quote:
Originally Posted by thepiedpiper
FFS you're having a laugh.
Whats the problem with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
Yeah I stopped reading as soon as I read that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
We're a Republic who fought long and hard to get our independence. 26 county representative team makes us sounds like some English cricket subsidary team. Damn English £$%$Quote:
Originally Posted by thepiedpiper