Supporting two teams.

I dont agree with a lot of comments here. I`m a Dundalk supporter first and foremost but i also support Celtic (but hate the politics), if Dundalk played Celtic there would be no question who I would want to win, even as schoolboy i wanted Dundalk to win in '79 Euro cup game.

So I dont think this is a big deal, besides with the UK/Irish seasons not running on the same dates, its a nice hobby to focus on your other team from Nov onwards.

Also I`d say a very high percentage of all LOI fans attend most Ireland home games or at least attend some each year ?

Now the irish fan who does not support an LOI team but does an english one and hates the england team, now here`s a problem child..................

Irish People who follow Celtic are pathetic IMO everyone of them well id say 90% follow or sorry look them on TV because of plastic irish links
They will also more than likely claim to hate the British :rolleyes:

I like to see Celtic do well in Europe but only because of Boruc and McGeady. If McGeady left I wouldn't watch any Celtic game.

I support Bohemians, but only get to about 15-18 matches a year.

This is what is wrong with Irish football fans.

*After Drogheda game walking back from Dalymount into town*

Me: Good performance by Drogheda, it be class if they could qualify

Mate: Yeah imagine 'real' teams playing in Ireland.....

Poor....seriously advertisement needs to be aggressive....anti-british as much as possible...reality is that in general football fans are working class and this approach will work for the masses.

I don't know how you can attract the middle and upper class though.

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but I have never been a supporter of any team here so why would I start now?

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Because, quite simply, it's the best experience you can have as a football supporter, to support your own local team. Ask any Pats supporter who was in Inchicore last Thursday night. The feeling of joy and pride we felt at the final whistle after turning around from a goal down to win with less than five minutes to go, against a team who were supposedly better, well, it's hard to put into words what that felt like. Honestly, you might not think you're missing out, but everyone here who goes to see their own team regularly knows what I'm talking about. PS I don't believe any football supporter anywhere in the world supports a team because of the quality of the football they play, so I've always thought that argument was nonsense. You support a team because they're YOUR team. I've seen Pats play poor football, thankfully at the moment they play good football (proper passing and everything:p) but you support them no matter what. As I said earlier in this thread, if you want to improve the standard of the league here, if you want to improve facilities, the best way is for more people to attend matches. You have to put something in to get something back out. And trust me, what you get out is well worth it.

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The people on here saying that you have to go to football games to be real supporter are well basically well away with the tooth fairy

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how are you suppourting your team when you go down the pub to watch their games, the only thing your suppourting there is the pub and your beer belly.
how do you think the league in england got so good? by local people going to their local ground to watch their local team, paying in at the gate and making their local team a sustainable business. if more people in ireland did this then we'd have our own league to be proud of. its how the world game of football got to where it is today. what is wrong with the irish football fan, i just cant personally understand how a person can get so passionate about a club that they really have no links with? i saw pictures in the local paper after man utd won the league of people in bars in man utd jerseys holding up their arms like they were playing for man utd, i just cannot for the life of me identify with that. if these people (some of them do in fairness) put as much effort into our own national league which is on their doorstep imagine where we would be, we wouldnt be worrying about co-efficients so much anyway.

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how are you suppourting your team when you go down the pub to watch their games, the only thing your suppourting there is the pub and your beer belly.
how do you think the league in england got so good? by local people going to their local ground to watch their local team, paying in at the gate and making their local team a sustainable business. if more people in ireland did this then we'd have our own league to be proud of. its how the world game of football got to where it is today. what is wrong with the irish football fan, i just cant personally understand how a person can get so passionate about a club that they really have no links with? i saw pictures in the local paper after man utd won the league of people in bars in man utd jerseys holding up their arms like they were playing for man utd, i just cannot for the life of me identify with that. if these people (some of them do in fairness) put as much effort into our own national league which is on their doorstep imagine where we would be, we wouldnt be worrying about co-efficients so much anyway.

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first of all i said i live 250 miles from my club.

anyway i agree to extent about what you say no supporters means no club and no money i agree.

but and here is what im pointing out is that you dont have to be at every game to be true supporter for family, work or whatever reasons you may not be able to attend games and that what i was pointing out as well as saying that cause you dont go to every game does not mean your not in knowledge of football.

im keeping to this point.....

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but and here is what im pointing out is that you dont have to be at every game to be true supporter for family, work or whatever reasons you may not be able to attend games and that what i was pointing out as well as saying that cause you dont go to every game does not mean your not in knowledge of football.

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i hear what your saying about your personal situation, but when i say "you" in that post i was generalising irish football fans not you personally.
of course there will be times you cant make it, but there seems to be tens of thousands of these people in ireland that call themselves football fans and take no interest in their local team.

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how are you suppourting your team when you go down the pub to watch their games, the only thing your suppourting there is the pub and your beer belly.
how do you think the league in england got so good? by local people going to their local ground to watch their local team, paying in at the gate and making their local team a sustainable business. if more people in ireland did this then we'd have our own league to be proud of. its how the world game of football got to where it is today. what is wrong with the irish football fan, i just cant personally understand how a person can get so passionate about a club that they really have no links with? i saw pictures in the local paper after man utd won the league of people in bars in man utd jerseys holding up their arms like they were playing for man utd, i just cannot for the life of me identify with that. if these people (some of them do in fairness) put as much effort into our own national league which is on their doorstep imagine where we would be, we wouldnt be worrying about co-efficients so much anyway.

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Excellent post - I couldn't have put it better. ;)

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Originally Posted by oriel

I dont agree with a lot of comments here. I`m a Dundalk supporter first and foremost but i also support Celtic (but hate the politics), if Dundalk played Celtic there would be no question who I would want to win, even as schoolboy i wanted Dundalk to win in '79 Euro cup game.

So I dont think this is a big deal, besides with the UK/Irish seasons not running on the same dates, its a nice hobby to focus on your other team from Nov onwards.

Also I`d say a very high percentage of all LOI fans attend most Ireland home games or at least attend some each year ?

Now the irish fan who does not support an LOI team but does an english one and hates the england team, now here`s a problem child..................

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That's just it oriel, no-one here has a problem with someone like yourself, as you say if Celtic played Dundalk there's no question where you stand. I myself follow the fortunes of Sheffield Wednesday, Inter Milan, Real Madrid, and to a lesser extent Hellas Verona, Ajax, Hertha Berlin, Hibs and Arsenal, but if any of them were to meet Limerick (fat chance I know) there isn't a hope in hell I would even want them to score one goal against us, let alone win

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Irish People who follow Celtic are pathetic IMO everyone of them well id say 90% follow or sorry look them on TV because of plastic irish links
They will also more than likely claim to hate the British :rolleyes:

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I dont think this is a fair statement, there are historic and real links bewteen celtic fc and ireland, all of a sudden it appears to be trendy to hate celtic on this forum. As i said before, i support celtic as my 2nd team but hate the politics is there anything wrong with this ?

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I dont think this is a fair statement, there are historic and real links bewteen celtic fc and ireland, all of a sudden it appears to be trendy to hate celtic on this forum. As i said before, i support celtic as my 2nd team but hate the politics is there anything wrong with this ?

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See I think thats rubbish, surely its got to do with the politics and history
that you would support celtic, if not then why not support another team, why not falkirk............

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Because, quite simply, it's the best experience you can have as a football supporter, to support your own local team. Ask any Pats supporter who was in Inchicore last Thursday night. The feeling of joy and pride we felt at the final whistle after turning around from a goal down to win with less than five minutes to go, against a team who were supposedly better, well, it's hard to put into words what that felt like. Honestly, you might not think you're missing out, but everyone here who goes to see their own team regularly knows what I'm talking about. PS I don't believe any football supporter anywhere in the world supports a team because of the quality of the football they play, so I've always thought that argument was nonsense. You support a team because they're YOUR team. I've seen Pats play poor football, thankfully at the moment they play good football (proper passing and everything:p) but you support them no matter what. As I said earlier in this thread, if you want to improve the standard of the league here, if you want to improve facilities, the best way is for more people to attend matches. You have to put something in to get something back out. And trust me, what you get out is well worth it.

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I understand what you are saying, but Pats are your team because you grew up nearby and have been supporting them for a long time. Everton and Barca are my teams because I was attached to them at a very young age and kept it with through my life, and I can associate with the feelings you describe because I've been to plenty of their matches. I think they are MY teams because I have supported both for around 20 years.

I'm giving these reasons because they are my reasons for STARTING to support these teams. It started from an early age for whatever reasons. Now, for me to begin supporting a local team at a later age, as you are hoping for a lot of people to do, it would need a reason. My reasons for supporting a football team have obviously changed a lot since I was 7, so simply the colour of their kit or the fact my dad supported them, or whatever, would not be enough. I also couldn't start supporting a team here now just for the reason they are Irish, and are nearby. I have mentioned before that I have been to enough games down through the years here, and it is just a fact that I have not seen anything to keep me coming back.

However, I will say to you Tony D, that I envy you, having your club down the road from you and your ability to see the team you love regularlywith other fans, but you must understand that the passion and pride you feel for your team has mostly to do with the length of time you have supported them. It is not possible to walk in now to Pats and get into this straight away, it would take a long time and dedication which is not something I can do as I simply have not seen enough quality in the league to start me down this road. (and I have not been saying I support teams only because of the quality of their football, but in recent years, this has been my main reason for taking an interest in many different leagues and teams)

Finally, there are far too many bloggers here who come on just to say - You are wrong and I am right. Or to say you are not a fan, and I am. Any chance of giving some arguments to back your statements up, or even more importantly to answer back the reasons given by the people who disagree with you.

Conversation overheard recently whilist on hols

Dutch kid.. " I support Ajak"

German kid "..I support Bayern Munchen"

First Irish kid "..I support Shamrock Rovers"

Second Irish kid "..I support Man U"

Dutch and German kids together replied "..you make joke yes ? .."

Second Irish kid "... well me Da's a Chelsea fan..."

German and Dutch kids left completely confused

As they say out of the mouths of babes !!

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Everton and Barca are my teams because I was attached to them at a very young age and kept it with through my life... I'm giving these reasons because they are my reasons for STARTING to support these teams. It started from an early age for whatever reasons.

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Those "whatever reasons" are exactly why you'll NEVER understand how deep the bond between a football club and its fans can be.

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(and I have not been saying I support teams only because of the quality of their football, but in recent years, this has been my main reason for taking an interest in many different leagues and teams)

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Again, there's a massive difference betwwen taking an interest in another team or league, and claiming to be a supporter. Myself, I've been to the Nou Camp almost a dozen times in the last 4/5 years. My missus even bought me membership for a Birthday present a couple of years ago. If I tried to tell someone from barcelona I was a Barcelona fan, I'd be (rightly) laughed out of town.

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Finally, there are far too many bloggers here who come on just to say - You are wrong and I am right. Or to say you are not a fan, and I am. Any chance of giving some arguments to back your statements up, or even more importantly to answer back the reasons given by the people who disagree with you.

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I've done it consistently on this site for years. I'm tired of the same old arguements. You think you're a football fan, it doens't bother me one bit. I get to expereince emotions you'll never get, and that can't even be described to you. Its your loss. You don't think you're missing out on anything, and I'm sure you'll do fine without those feelings.

You don't know what you're missing...

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Poor....seriously advertisement needs to be aggressive....anti-british as much as possible...reality is that in general football fans are working class and this approach will work for the masses.

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See I don't agree with this at all. Firstly because the the Irish are anti- British enough as it is (when they want to be (not when eastenders is on or man u are playing)) and secondly because Irish people should have enough pride in their nation and their communities to support their football teams without having to hate a neighbouring nation over things that happened generations ago.

Dodge - well what are your reasons for starting to support your club? I'd like to know because I don't think you are reading my points properly.

Also you seem to be talking to me as if I never go to see the teams I support and watch them only on TV. I used to go a lot, spending a lot of money. I go less regularly now. How can you say I have not experienced the same emotions as you when for over 20years in the case of Everton I have been supporting them. Are you saying watching them beat Liverpool 3-0 after years of going over to see them scrap and draw, or even worse lose, at Goodison was not a pure football supporters feeling? I get no problem from the local fans who get to see them every week, and have plenty of friends over there. You are again being dismissive, elitist and far too general when you are making comments. Why on earth would anyone be attracted to watch a LOI football match if they had to sit beside snobs like you?

And whoever made the comment about using Anti-British advertising for the LOI is an uneducated moron in my opinion. Grow up.

Cort i don't understand your point at all. It's never too late to start supporting a club. I was a typical Man Utd sky sports watcher a few years back until i started to realise that I had no connection to Manchester at all and that it was stupid "supporting" them. I then went to see my local club in England and instantly felt a part of it because I was part of the community and could feel first hand the passion the other fans had.

Last week I went to my first Irish game to see st pats and it was one of the greatest footballing experiences of my life. I'm going back to Richmond tomorrow.

So you're argument that "I cant start supporting a team now" doesnt cut it for me.

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How can you say I have not experienced the same emotions as you when for over 20years in the case of Everton I have been supporting them. Are you saying watching them beat Liverpool 3-0 after years of going over to see them scrap and draw, or even worse lose, at Goodison was not a pure football supporters feeling?

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Do you honestly believe you get the same feelings of pride and elation as a local Everton fan when they win? You're absolutely deluded if you think that. I presume you've read "Barca" by Jimmy Burns? Most people with an interest in Barca have. After reading that, how could you ever think that Barcelona would ever mean as much to you as it does to the people in Catalunya?

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Why on earth would anyone be attracted to watch a LOI football match if they had to sit beside snobs like you?

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Why on earth would I talk about this at LOI games? I'm answering your claims and queries on an internet message board. Do you really think that LOI fans sit/stand around talking about people who aren't there? Get a grip. We're too busy supporting our teams and talking rubbish about everything else. Just like Manchester lads supporting Man U, Barcelona lads supporting Barca, Stockport lads supporting Stockport, etc etc etc


As to why I started supporting Pats; because my dad brought me.

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See I think thats rubbish, surely its got to do with the politics and history
that you would support celtic, if not then why not support another team, why not falkirk............

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Dont have loads of mates who are from and/or live in falkirk, Glasgow is a brilliant city to visit, been going over 10 + years

still no interest in the politics nor never wore a celtic jersey - maybe i`m in the minority

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Dodge - well what are your reasons for starting to support your club? I'd like to know because I don't think you are reading my points properly.

Also you seem to be talking to me as if I never go to see the teams I support and watch them only on TV. I used to go a lot, spending a lot of money. I go less regularly now. How can you say I have not experienced the same emotions as you when for over 20years in the case of Everton I have been supporting them. Are you saying watching them beat Liverpool 3-0 after years of going over to see them scrap and draw, or even worse lose, at Goodison was not a pure football supporters feeling? I get no problem from the local fans who get to see them every week, and have plenty of friends over there. You are again being dismissive, elitist and far too general when you are making comments. Why on earth would anyone be attracted to watch a LOI football match if they had to sit beside snobs like you?

And whoever made the comment about using Anti-British advertising for the LOI is an uneducated moron in my opinion. Grow up.

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Where are you from Cortezuma if you don't mind me asking?

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Why on earth would anyone be attracted to watch a LOI football match if they had to sit beside snobs like you?

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Reason number 4736 for not supporting domestic football.

Its the reason people cling to on here when every other crutch has been kicked out from under them.

And its a worthless reason.

Instead of talking about hypothetical people you might meet at games, why don't you listen to what people like Boovidge have just said about going to games?

But as many people have said it many threads like this to many similar posters like you, how can you know what it feels like to really be a supporter until you have immersed yourself in the club and are regularly going to games?

Until you've experienced it, you're only guessing and hypothesising.

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Where are you from Cortezuma if you don't mind me asking?

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His profile says Dublin; obviously it's hard to find a club close by you in Dublin...

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His profile says Dublin; obviously it's hard to find a club close by you in Dublin...

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Well if he is from Dublin he obviously made the choice to ignore local football and support Everton.

You didn't happen to start following them in the mid eighties by any chance?

Well, in the case of me not being able to start supporting a new club here, it's not a matter of who is right or wrong. I would find it hard to hold my interest if the standard of the football was not good enough, and If I go to LOI matches and don't enjoy the game for this reason then of course I am not going to feel an affinity with whichever club I am watching. You went to Pats and it was great, fine I am genuinely happy for you, but I have gone to Pats and other clubs and I didn't find it great. Don't you see this is a matter of opinion and what some people, not particularly you, on here are looking for is blind faith based purely on the location of the ground and my nationality.

Also I get your point Dodge, that it may not mean as much to me as a local Everton/Barca fan, but the fact is it means a LOT to me. That will do. So do you want to start dividing up the supporters at each match into the ones born around the corner going to every match and the ones in all the other groups - including new fans, occasional fans, gloryhunter supporters. Maybe we should do a points system, in which I will agree I come into the second group of fans who have supported a long time and go as much as they can. And I have read the Jimmy Burns book, but I don't see why it matters that I can't feel it as much as Catalans when I do get a lot of enjoyment from it and plenty of Catalans allow me to join in their enjoyment of the game at it's highest level.

I'm not from Dublin, I live in Dublin currently. And okay I take back my comment about Dodge, it was purely based on his attitude in here and of course I realise that I wouldn't, and haven't, experience this at LOI matches.

I did not grow up in Dublin, did not grow up near any LOI club so therefore had no reason to be attached to any of them.

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Also I get your point Dodge, that it may not mean as much to me as a local Everton/Barca fan, but the fact is it means a LOT to me. That will do.

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As I said (a few times now), if you're happy with not getting the full experience, fine.

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And I have read the Jimmy Burns book, but I don't see why it matters that I can't feel it as much as Catalans when I do get a lot of enjoyment from it and plenty of Catalans allow me to join in their enjoyment of the game at it's highest level.

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Again, if you're happy with that fine. As I've said I too enjoy watching Barcelona play, and try head over there when possible (provided I don't miss Pats games obviously).

Never have I said people couldn't get enjoyment from watching foreign teams. What I've consistently said, and it seems you now agree with me, is that you can't get full range of emotions that being a fan of your local club can bring.

I don't care about people who don't go to games in Ireland. Sure I'd love them to come to the games, and help Irish football develop but its not going to happen. If its not the cost (despite paying more on Sky Sports per month), or the crap football (explained previously) or the distance from the ground (despite picking a team in another country to suuport), its now the fault of a few internet idiots that they won't support an Irish team.

Good luck to them.

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I did not grow up in Dublin, did not grow up near any LOI club so therefore had no reason to be attached to any of them.

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Without being flippant, did you grow up beside Everton's ground?

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Without being flippant, did you grow up beside Everton's ground?

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I suspect (until told otherwise) that Everton were a successful team in the mid to late eighties and he chose them for that reason.

I could be wrong

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Without being flippant, did you grow up beside Everton's ground?

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Without being flippant, did you grow up beside Everton's ground?

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...but you are being flippant, and also conveniently forgetting my other posts. I was 7 yrs old and I am not going to claim that any decision made at that age for supporting a team was a sound decision, it couldve been the colour of the shirt. The fact is it stuck with me because that is what most people do, they continue to support who they supported when they were young.

You are throwing this 'full experience' thing around as if too say we are all better than the rest, and of course it is irritating to people who otherwise spend most of their waking life immersed in football. You just happen to be lucky that you grew up beside the club and were brought by your dad. You get this magical 'full experience' because of where you live and have lived for a length of time. There are plenty of Pats/Cork/Galway supporters who live abroad and can't see their teams or maybe never did get to see them regularly but you cannot say they are not supporters.

By your reasoning would you accept a supporter who starts supporting your team late at 20 or so and goes to games for say 6 years, but cannot go to all the games? Are they getting the full experience?

I admire your passion for your clubs guys, and your wish to see this league succeed, but lay off on the generalisation of people who support a team that you deem not to be suitable. Yes there are the worst example of people who have never seen their team play and only watch football on TV, but stop shouting down everyone who disagrees with you and sticking them in the same bracket. (and I don't mean you Dodge)

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...but you are being flippant, and also conveniently forgetting my other posts. I was 7 yrs old and I am not going to claim that any decision made at that age for supporting a team was a sound decision, it couldve been the colour of the shirt. The fact is it stuck with me because that is what most people do, they continue to support who they supported when they were young.

You are throwing this 'full experience' thing around as if too say we are all better than the rest, and of course it is irritating to people who otherwise spend most of their waking life immersed in football. You just happen to be lucky that you grew up beside the club and were brought by your dad. You get this magical 'full experience' because of where you live and have lived for a length of time. There are plenty of Pats/Cork/Galway supporters who live abroad and can't see their teams or maybe never did get to see them regularly but you cannot say they are not supporters.

By your reasoning would you accept a supporter who starts supporting your team late at 20 or so and goes to games for say 6 years, but cannot go to all the games? Are they getting the full experience?

I admire your passion for your clubs guys, and your wish to see this league succeed, but lay off on the generalisation of people who support a team that you deem not to be suitable. Yes there are the worst example of people who have never seen their team play and only watch football on TV, but stop shouting down everyone who disagrees with you and sticking them in the same bracket. (and I don't mean you Dodge)

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If the standard (difficult to measure IMO) of football was better would you attend LOI games?

Yes basically. I have been to quite a few over the years and always, apart from some individual performances - Joe Gamble a couple of years back springs to mind, the standard has been poor and I have not come away impressed. I'm not looking to put it down, I am just saying what I've seen. I haven't seen a match that has made me go back of my own volition soon after.

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I am not going to claim that any decision made at that age for supporting a team was a sound decision, it couldve been the colour of the shirt. The fact is it stuck with me because that is what most people do

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Worldwide, most people don't pick their team. They certainly don't pick their team based on shirt colouor (and yeah, I know you were joking)

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You are throwing this 'full experience' thing around as if too say we are all better than the rest, and of course it is irritating to people who otherwise spend most of their waking life immersed in football.

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It irritates people because they have no answer to it. They know that I'm right. You, yourself have agreed with me.

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There are plenty of Pats/Cork/Galway supporters who live abroad and can't see their teams or maybe never did get to see them regularly but you cannot say they are not supporters.

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There's a world of difference from people from Dublin, Cork, Galway (or Liverpool or Barcelona) being abroad and continuing to suuport their team, and somebody from Dublin randomly picking a team in another country and claiming allegiance.

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By your reasoning would you accept a supporter who starts supporting your team late at 20 or so and goes to games for say 6 years, but cannot go to all the games? Are they getting the full experience?

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Fans with more experience of heartbreak within the club, are obviously going to get more satisfaction from the highs.

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I admire your passion for your clubs guys, and your wish to see this league succeed, but lay off on the generalisation of people who support a team that you deem not to be suitable. Yes there are the worst example of people who have never seen their team play and only watch football on TV, but stop shouting down everyone who disagrees with you and sticking them in the same bracket. (and I don't mean you Dodge)

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But thats not a LOI fan thing, thats a people thing. Most people generalise. I couldn't tell you how many times I've been called a weirdo for supporting an Irish side. I don't automatically assume that every Liverpool/man U fan thinsk the same.

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Yes basically. I have been to quite a few over the years and always, apart from some individual performances - Joe Gamble a couple of years back springs to mind, the standard has been poor and I have not come away impressed. I'm not looking to put it down, I am just saying what I've seen. I haven't seen a match that has made me go back of my own volition soon after.

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Fair enough - However it's a chicken and egg situation if the crowds come back the standard will improve.

''There's a world of difference from people from Dublin, Cork, Galway (or Liverpool or Barcelona) being abroad and continuing to suuport their team, and somebody from Dublin randomly picking a team in another country and claiming allegiance.''

You are kidding yourself if you think the only true supporters of clubs are the ones from that city who grew up there. There are so many different stories and reasons that people end up in the ground of any club, and to belittle many peoples enjoyment of the game because they weren't lucky enough to be born there is pointless.

I didn't grow up near an LOI club so why do you suggest I choose a club in a town somewhere I don't know over a club who I got to see on TV and eventually live. So as a kid, it's zero exposure versus lots of exposure, so your argument is still coming back to being lucky to be born near a club to get this 'full experience'.When I moved to Dublin, yes I was closer to LOI clubs, but by then I was already an Everton/Barca supporter and when I did try out the LOI I didn't take to it.

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''There's a world of difference from people from Dublin, Cork, Galway (or Liverpool or Barcelona) being abroad and continuing to suuport their team, and somebody from Dublin randomly picking a team in another country and claiming allegiance.''

You are kidding yourself if you think the only true supporters of clubs are the ones from that city who grew up there. There are so many different stories and reasons that people end up in the ground of any club, and to belittle many peoples enjoyment of the game because they weren't lucky enough to be born there is pointless.

I didn't grow up near an LOI club so why do you suggest I choose a club in a town somewhere I don't know over a club who I got to see on TV and eventually live. So as a kid, it's zero exposure versus lots of exposure, so your argument is still coming back to being lucky to be born near a club to get this 'full experience'.When I moved to Dublin, yes I was closer to LOI clubs, but by then I was already an Everton/Barca supporter and when I did try out the LOI I didn't take to it.

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Where did you grow up?

I dunno why, but I didn't really want to give my home town out or anything, but if you need this to continue your argument. I grew up in South Kildare, near enough to Carlow town. LOI was pretty much an unknown to me until i was in my late teens. Trips to Dublin were maybe twice a year for shopping and that would be about it. When I first moved away I was in Wexford, then a year in Limerick which I hated. Caught a couple of games there. Since then I have been in Dublin apart from a few spells abroad. Does this help complete my profile BR? ;)

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Originally Posted by Cortezuma

You are kidding yourself if you think the only true supporters of clubs are the ones from that city who grew up there.

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I never said this. The true supporters of any team are people who go every week to watch them. Obviously local fans have more of an attachment

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I didn't grow up near an LOI club so why do you suggest I choose a club in a town somewhere I don't know over a club who I got to see on TV and eventually live.

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I never suggested you should pick a team. I just said you're can't get as much enjoyment about seeing Everton do well as an Everton fan from Liverpool who attends every week.

You don't "get" the whole Irish football fan thing, and you're happy with watching the games on TV and the odd trip away, so why do you care what I, or any other fan of an irish team, think about you? (and you obviously do, given the defensive manner of your last couple of posts)

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Originally Posted by Cortezuma

I dunno why, but I didn't really want to give my home town out or anything, but if you need this to continue your argument. I grew up in South Kildare, near enough to Carlow town. LOI was pretty much an unknown to me until i was in my late teens. Trips to Dublin were maybe twice a year for shopping and that would be about it. When I first moved away I was in Wexford, then a year in Limerick which I hated. Caught a couple of games there. Since then I have been in Dublin apart from a few spells abroad. Does this help complete my profile BR? ;)

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Yes :)

Profile = Gloryhunter :D

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Originally Posted by belfastred

Yes :)

Profile = Gloryhunter :D

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well if I was hunting for glory, I'm still bloody hunting with Everton! ;)

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Originally Posted by Cortezuma

well if I was hunting for glory, I'm still bloody hunting with Everton! ;)

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Stuck with them more like!

No I was saying when you started supporting them they were one of the top teams

Fair play to you for sticking by them