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to be fair lads i can see what your saying in relation to certain points but to say any club does not take the fai seriously is totally foreign to me,saints,clonmel and villa will all feel they can win it this season,to be looking for team bonding away trips is understandable and thats why i say the leagues are miles apart,and of course the results between north and south in the upcoming ties will tell u the exact difference,the rivalry will be there for all to see regardless of tournaments
Ya but ye are one of the top three clubs in South Tipp, the top three in North Tipp take it serious also.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooper74
My club just got promoted from the 2nd Division to the 1st Divison (below the Premier) so that is why Im calling it a team bonding trip.
Like do Galbally Rvrs enter the FAI Junior Cup thinking they are going to win it?
thats a valid point about galbally but i honestly feel none of the north tipp sides will be in the last 32 of the cup come february and i would expect minimum of 2 south teams and def one to be in the quarters or semis
I don't think that too many of them are expecting to reach the last 32 either. To be fair though, reaching the open draw also depends a lot on the luck of the draw and if a half decent club can avoid the big guns and/or get home draws then they are always in with a chance of making it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by hooper74
If you look at the MJC draw in the TSDL, if I am correct, at least one from the Saints and Clonmel Town won't make it to the open draw stages this season and neither of these teams could be classified as a bad side.
FAI Junior Cup (1st. round)
Birdhill 7 Clonmore 2
Ballyneale 1 Clodiagh Rangers 1 (1-2 pens).
Bansha Celtic 4 Arra Rovers 1.
St. Kierans 5 Borrisokane 0
Borroway Rovers 3 Borrisoleigh 2
One good result so far is the Clodiagh Rangers win, we played them earlier on this season and although we lost 3-0 didnt find them to be unbeatable.
bad start for north sides,surprised bansha won so easily,are arra not premier? st kierans are div 4 in tipp south,what are borrisokane? will clodiagh give peake villa a game?
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Originally Posted by hooper74
Arra are a team of hurlers, so it all depends on what team turns up on the day. They normally do enough each year to stay in the Premier.
Borrisokane got promoted from the 2nd Division last year to the 1st Division. Really nothing special, an average team.
If Clodiagh are playing Peake Villa, PK will beat them easily.
am Arra are poor at the moment,missing alot of players,think their problem with players who came in from outside the parish and local ladz dont want to play with them.???clodaigh would not get an awful beating from peake cos they r an average first division side at best,although in yester years were not bad.to be honest after the Nenagh teams, only blackcastle and cloughjordan are of any quality,the rest are quiet poor!!
For the last 20 years Arra have been complaining about "outside players", when they can field 15 lads that wont go playing hurling at a drop of a hat before soccer then they can complain about "outside players".Quote:
Originally Posted by daz22
Id add Rearcross as being a good side to the four you mentioned. At least they try to play football the right way even if maybe they dont have the players.
i'm from clonmel and to be honest even that attitude of not wanting outside plyers would be very alien to most if not all of the premier teams in the tsdl i know at our club we would takeanyone who would make a difference to our side regardless of where they came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by bawn79
Yip I totally agree with you, comes from the very strong hurling club mentality in the area, One parish, one village, one team.Quote:
Originally Posted by bishbash
Like in hurling Nenagh only has one team. I presume Clonmel probably has a few?
From my observations of the NTDL, the problem with teams like Arra and others is that for many of the players, soccer is only a means of keeping fit for other codes. A lot of the players who fall into this category have no committment to the club, and wouldn't be available at the weekends if there was something else on. Under these circumstances, its difficult for rural clubs to remain competitive. Arra are bottom of the premier division at the moment, but I 'd say that if all the players who had signed for them were available for all their games to date, they would most likely have some points on the board. If I'm not mistaken, they started badly last season too and as soon as all their players were available, they picked up the points necessary to avoid the drop. Wouldn't bet against the same thing happening this season !Quote:
Originally Posted by bawn79
yeah there would be a few different gaa clubs all with rivalry but that is always a gaa mentality being with the one club from a child to retirement. in sayin that though its different when it comes to soccer and we have players from the likes of moyle rovers ,commercials, clonmel og and ardfinnan and its a totally different mentality all the players come together and as i said before we would take any player from anywhere as long as they added to the sideQuote:
Originally Posted by bawn79
dont get me wrong arra just like every other club have diehards too and put in alot of effort.plus if arra had all the players available they would easily come 3rd or 4th in the league.Rearcross can be sticky but as you say dont have the players.Blackcastle are a mystery,they have great under age teams but players dont seem to appear for the junior side,probably for numerous reasons.Hurling is an excuse that clubs use alot in north tipp,it folded Newtown??yes or No?Look at the Nenagh teams who field 4 junior sides every weekend and they dont use hurling as an excuse
Look people have to realise that it depends on the town / Village on how good you are.. I mean the size of nenagh and the pick of players they have compared to villages is not even worth talking bout and the same can be said for clonmel / tipp town..
I hear there is a piece in the guardian on how much better south tipp soccer ( slagging north tipp ) have not read it yet.. but will comment on it when i do..
i read that but if you took clonmel twn and d saints from the league.there is not much else to be honest.apart from peakevilla who put a decent side together once in a while.have to admit that leaving out the top teams, in both leagues,Sth tipp teams are alot stronger than the rest in Nth tipp.was at Nenagh T v Nenagh Celtic today and a young looking celtic side should have won the game.
Yip it folded Newtown alright, we just didnt have the numbers in the area outside of using hurlers. I played soccer only for Newtown since I was 12 so I was pretty gutted and just got sick of the lack of interest in the team. I must have played 15 years for them. Although I dont like GAA I actually hope that hurling breaks a few more clubs and there is an amalgamation of the remaining clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz22
Clubs waiting for hurlers to come is pretty much pointless.
In fairness though there needs to be some rules brought in to help bring this about.
If you cant field 11 players in a game you should be deducted points. Dont field a team for a game. automatic relegation. Plans for proper facilities need to be drawn up to get rid of 11 hurlers who buy a set of jerseys from being allowed enter the league.
One of the strangest set-ups ive seen is Sallypark and Latteragh.
Sallypark are an average club, they have a ladies team and two junior teams. Im not sure if they have any underage but there seems to be a good numbers. However it is literally in the middle of nowhere between Nenagh and Borrisoleigh. Somehow a separate club called Latteragh decided to set up practically across the road from Sallypark. Why did they set-up with nothing but a field when there already was a reasonable club in the area?
No doubt South Tipp has more strength in depth in terms of clubs but I think with some effort with the rules we could strengthen things up by reducing the amount of clubs. I do think the league has gone about this in a round about way by increasing the size of the 2nd Division. Id say a lot of the more "amateur" clubs wont be able to sustain the interest in the increased number of games and so should hopefully fold.
am i think latteragh was set up because there was a fall out between some players,think thats what happened!!??on the matter of the second division it is way to big and i know clubs have being asking for it to be split after a number of games,similar to the Scottish league?i think you are being unfair to the teams who have hurlers because without these players our league would be poorer.what do you think of the standard of refereeing?dont know if said this already but i think their is 15 former newtown players playing with other clubs?
How would it be poorer without hurlers? The guys that will turn up when it suits them. Last year with Ballymackey we didnt have any hurlers, just average committed guys and we got promoted from the second division. Its more important to be consistent over a season than having a flash in the pan guy come back from hurling when he feels like it to upset the team spirit and then go off again. Its the hurler mentality is what is in fact making our league poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz22
I dont know about Newtown players, if there are 15 then they werent at the meeting to save the club. 5 turned up for that.
Referring is average, there isnt a lot they can do really. Very few new referees coming through. If you have fewer clubs, fewer games, there would be more referees of a better standard to go around.
By the way Daz22,
What would you think of these ideas?
If you cant field 11 players in a game you should be deducted points. Dont field a team for a game. automatic relegation. Plans for proper facilities need to be drawn up to get rid of 11 hurlers who buy a set of jerseys from being allowed enter the league.
Should be minimum standards set for entry to the Premier division in terms of facilties.