Lee Carsley

O'Brien lost hundreds of millions two years ago when he sold INM to Mediahuis. He sold Communcorp this year. The Beacon, last I heard, was turning a profit in the low single digit millions. His focus isn't Ireland any more. He won't be stumping up for a new manager soon.

Carsley would be an interesting choice as next manager. Good player for us, good coaching pedigree. I don't think he's certain to be considered England's next manager. It's a rare enough succession line, and I wonder if being an Irish international would sit well with Ingerland fans when there are so many talented English managers like ... well so many English managers with club management experience who played for them.

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I wonder if being an Irish international would sit well with Ingerland fans when there are so many talented English managers like ... well so many English managers with club management experience who played for them.

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Doesn’t seem to bother them when ex Irish internationals actually play for them.

Ouch that hurts, and will for all time... I guess the difference is Carsley, unlike certain people whose-name-is-mud (but were raised in a plastic paddy field!) never ventured back to the dark side once he played for us.

He will never be england manager without club management pedigree. Also he never played for England and isnt a household name

I don't know. Southgate's club management career was three years at Boro, which ended with relegation and the sack. Is that really suitable pedigree?

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I don't know. Southgate's club management career was three years at Boro, which ended with relegation and the sack. Is that really suitable pedigree?

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But he was a highly decorated player and well known to the English public and media

But you said -

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He will never be england manager without club management pedigree.

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That's the part I was replying to.

There's many a well-known highly-decorated player has been unable to make it as a manager.

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I don't know. Southgate's club management career was three years at Boro, which ended with relegation and the sack. Is that really suitable pedigree?

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And that showed in the World Cup semi-final against Croatia and the Final against Italy. Southgate was shown wanting in both of those games big style.

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But he was a highly decorated player and well known to the English public and media

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and,more importantly, he is English

This is interesting
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...acked-england/

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The FA appointed Lee Carsley last year, a capable coach who had a number of previous FA roles, but critically, he played for the Republic of Ireland. He was Birmingham-born but earned 40 caps for the Irish national team. He is not a potential successor to Southgate. Indeed the suggestion is that he is very much likely to be the long-term successor for the Football Association of Ireland if it does not push on with Stephen Kenny beyond Euro 2024 – or perhaps even before then. In that respect the English FA has done its development work for the FAI.

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This is interesting
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...acked-england/

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very interesting !

Thanks FA!

any chance of a copy paste?

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any chance of a copy paste?

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Google 12 foot ladder paywall
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Excellent - thanks Tets!

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Wow! Thanks for the tip!

I don't see how Carsley having 40 Ireland caps prevents him from managing England, when they have no problem playing a player who has 3 of them.

Interesting article, indeed. Not sure i can principally agree with this take:

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The England manager must be English, for reasons that scarcely need rehearsing. This is a game based on international rules and a nation should no more be able to co-opt an Italian coach than it should co-opt an Italian left-back. Once you accept that truth...

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Excellent - thanks Tets!

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Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day
Teach a man to fish...

It would be a genuinely progressive appointment. He's played football at a PL and international level, he's clearly rated as a coach, and is a motivator. I've steered clear of the Kenny debate simply because it's now beyond debate. The experiment has not worked, there are no discernible improvements in team performances, Kenny's own tactical awareness and flexibility or the prospect of qualification for a major tournament. Prolonging the agony will only condition a generation of players into an expectation of failure and mediocrity. We're almost back to where we were before Giles took over, never mind Jack. Once a country sinks to a certain level it needs more than good players to be competitive, and we are reaching that level. Whether you approve or not of 2nd and 3rd G players turning out for the international team, it's significant that we are failing to offer those players any positive incentive to play for Ireland. Kenny has a sort of humble nativist appeal and I know there are diehards who would rather wallow in the nether regions of international football than recruit "mercenaries", but in a world where more and more people have dual or multi national affiliations, harnessing the talent of the diaspora is a manifestly sensible and credible approach. 7 members of the current England squad were eligible for us. We let two escape, apparently because O'Neill thought he might be compromising their careers by tieing them to a second tier nation. 2 of them are highly unlikely to win more than a handful of caps. In the past at least a couple of them may well have accepted a call-up from Ireland, but would you want to play for Stephen Kenny?