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It doesn't matter - both clubs were deemed good enough to get licences, but DC were better than Bangor on the pitch, therefore DC should get a place ahead of Bangor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Why not? That's what we're discussing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
But it's the "rules laid out" that are under discussion - they were ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Er, it was a rhetorical question.:(:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Gerrymandered by whom and for what purpose? It's up to all the IL clubs to determine the criteria, not individual clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Precisely my point! That is what should happen and demonstrates how illogical it is to operate such a sensible system in years 2,3, 4, 5, etc., but have a stupid double-counting ranking system plus ludicrous penalties for late applications in year 1 and year 1 only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
I'll be reaching for the bucket if we go around in any more circles.
Had the facilities been included in the DL this year, I'd agree with you.
As it is, I don't.
Succint enough?
There'll still be deadlines for future DLs. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
We all really know what the basis for the league was, whether you agree with it or not. One club just decided not to play ball, to their detriment.
Then all your posts are irrelevant, because everyone knows the "criteria laid out" and the process in place. The discussion is about the process per se and how ridiculous it is!Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
What merits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Perhaps the point I've bee trying to ram home to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
A means of scoring clubs on their CURRENT facilties, since the DL failed to do so.
I think it's reasonable to give clubs time to upgrade their facilities. The league should facilitate clubs to improve, not put barriers in their way. The whole thing has been rushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
That said, whatever the criteria for the DL this year - facilities or not - it should have been top 12 teams with a DL.
But facilities were only one part of the ranking system, so the much of the rest was double-counting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
And if facilities were not required for the DL then they should not have been required for the new league. If they were required for the league, then they should have been required for the DL.
The clubs obviously decided facilities weren't necessary for next year's league - therefore they shouldn't have formed part of any criteria.
It's not an improvement in the slightest. The problem is that, next year, Bangor are going to get hammered and Portadown are going to walk the First Division, and the following year, we'll be back exactly where we should have been, and life will go on. Galway and Dundalk this year are showing how it'll be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
What the morons in charge in the FAI and the IFA (and those who agree with their process) haven't realised is that football isn't played on scorecards of makey-uppey attributes; it's played on the pitch, and no matter how you mess about with things, the strongest clubs will always rise to the top again.
As an Il supporter who attends matches most weeks i welcomed the idea of a more professional invitational league,portadown sadly were rightly punished for their horrendous balls up,but the thing that has really angered me is the inclusion of Bangor and institute ahead of D Celtic.When the list of successful applicants were announced i sat in disbelief at the inclusion of bangor who have nothing to offer to the new league,no fan base ,crap facilities,some will argue that d c are the same but at least there is potential there for vast improvement,something sadly that will never come tofruition now.
Its a bit rich a Coleraine fan having a laugh at this considering your own clubs skullduggery, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
I would suggest that the Ports have no other option but to accept the decision though i doubt we'll walk the PIL considering the players we'll likely lose.
I hope DC have the bottle and the grounds to drag the IFA into court, but I doubt it.
It would destroy the game in the North if they did. No UEFA comps for national or club teams etc. The league would look a joke. They should take it lying down, and try and get up next year. I hope they do get promoted next season, because with a few years in the top flight they could become a big side in West Hellfast. Takes more than 2 seasons to win the barstoolers over.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
Plus DC have proved on the pitch that they are a top 12 club.Quote:
Originally Posted by waide
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Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
Not really, no.
It's two steps forward, but one back. You're the fall guy. I have sympathy with the fans, but not for the club. Believe me, having been to the abyss, relegation is merely a blip.
And what grounds do DC for going to court? Oh, wait........
Also nice to see Sinn Fein getting involved in DC's exclusion.
I'm pretty confident that contravenes a FIFA statute.
Good work so far lads. We're laughing, and waving.
I don't think the Provos have been great friends of DC in the past: intimidating them out of playing a fixture against the RUC and less than supportive of their efforts to build the club.
The system aside, the league will work itself out in a year or two. We will have the best clubs in the country in its top flight league.
Maybe slightly elongated route to get there, but progress.
How is it progress when that would have happened instantly by just applying promotion/relegation normally to clubs with a licence?Quote:
Originally Posted by Morrissey
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Why have a convoluted system for year 1 only? And then promotion/relegation for clubs with a licence for every year thereafter?
On what grounds, exactly?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaghRed