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20/02/2008, 2:48 PM
cmcd

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Originally Posted by neutral

cmcd i would disagree with what you are saying. Players at 16, 17, 18, are looking to develop, or should be looking to develop, in order to progress. The 17's and 18's at Ramblers is simply a stepping stone for the first team, good young players dont need to be taught how to win, and good young players know and will be told, as eddie o halloran pointed out, that progression as a footballer first may eventually lead to first team football. This, I assume, is why players will want to play for Ramblers. Winnning the AUL youth league in 2008 will be no good to a footballer if in 2010 he's sitting on a barstool talkin about what a great team he was in.

i see your point its just if you set out to win a league it goes without saying that if you win that league that you will have good players already in your team and winning also brings players on when they have a winning mentality,play without fear and can express themselves and have a confidence about them.
i suppose winning the league/cups and passing a load of players to the senior team would be the ideal answer.
20/02/2008, 3:03 PM
outside in

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Originally Posted by ramsfan

back to my artificial pitch thing, dundalk are getting 120 euro and hour or 200 euro for 2 hours, if rams rented it for 20 hours a week they would get 125 k in revenue imagine what that would do for club and there probably is agrant for these pitches

i could be wrong but didnt rams get a grant a few years back and the money was only to be used on a training ground?
20/02/2008, 3:23 PM
outside in

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Originally Posted by MojoPin

i played 2 and a half seasons for ramblers under 17s and 18s and i never paid for anything whilst there ever!

i dont see why the school boys have to pay and 17s dont,the club has enough money problems,your only talking 4 or 5 euro a man/boy.over the season it would save the club a tidy sum
20/02/2008, 3:28 PM
rambler14

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Originally Posted by MojoPin

i used to think of it this way aswel but id rather a youths team that finished bottom every year but produced players of the cummins and cambridge mould! winning isnt eveything development is the key!

Exactly. Development is key.
20/02/2008, 4:03 PM
ramsfan

i dont know did they get a grant ?
20/02/2008, 5:57 PM
eddieohalloran

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Originally Posted by rambler14

If only things could be explained to us as clearly as that all the time.

Question for ya Eddie:
Are you happy that Cobh Ramblers have to play their home games away from Cobh?
I understand where your coming from but surely you can't like the fact that Pfizers is the home pitch of the 17's and Ballinhassig is the home pitch of the youths!

The U17 Management team are not happy with the way things are but our job within the club is to prepare the players as best we can for each match, we do not get involved in any politics or have any say where we play our games. We leave everything else up to the Committee.
20/02/2008, 6:00 PM
rambler14

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Originally Posted by eddieohalloran

The U17 Management team are not happy with the way things are but our job within the club is to prepare the players as best we can for each match, we do not get involved in any politics or have any say where we play our games. We leave everything else up to the Committee.

Fair enough
20/02/2008, 6:01 PM
eddieohalloran

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Originally Posted by eddieohalloran

There are some people of the opinion that we must be winning leagues and cups every year at Youth level. This is not our priority however, all it would be is an added bonus. Our priority is to produce players for the 1st team.

I would think that the first priority of any team entering leagues or cups must be to first win their league and any other competition they are entered in.I would see the added bonus being if two or three players out of a team can progress.If a team has good/the best players capable of stepping up a level then its goes without saying that their team must be in the running for trophies.Its hard to accept that a team manager would think that winning a league or cup is an added bonus,teams must first want to win and the good players will naturally progress to the next level.

Conor,

That is all very well to say but if you ask any professional manager what his priorities are from his youth managers the answer you will get is the following:
a. Produce players for the 1st team.
b. Win the FAI Youths Cup.
c. Win the league.
20/02/2008, 6:01 PM
luka

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Originally Posted by eddieohalloran

The U17 Management team are not happy with the way things are but our job within the club is to prepare the players as best we can for each match, we do not get involved in any politics or have any say where we play our games. We leave everything else up to the Committee.

Lads.........my advice would be to listen to what eddieohalloran has to say. His points here are probably the most valid I've see in this thread so far.
20/02/2008, 6:05 PM
eddieohalloran

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Originally Posted by outside in

i dont see why the school boys have to pay and 17s dont,the club has enough money problems,your only talking 4 or 5 euro a man/boy.over the season it would save the club a tidy sum

You are incorrect to say the U17s do not pay. The U17s pay a weekly sum of money to play for the team and that money is used to meet team expenses which are very high indeed.
20/02/2008, 6:24 PM
outside in

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Originally Posted by eddieohalloran

You are incorrect to say the U17s do not pay. The U17s pay a weekly sum of money to play for the team and that money is used to meet team expenses which are very high indeed.

wat expenses does the team have bar ref and washing the gear?
20/02/2008, 6:56 PM
MojoPin

balls, renting astroturf, bus to home and away games by the look of it. washing the gear is prob the only one not done!
20/02/2008, 8:55 PM
eddieohalloran

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Originally Posted by outside in

wat expenses does the team have bar ref and washing the gear?

The main expenses that the U17 team have are the hire of the astroturf for training and travelling to away matches. The hire of the astroturf is a huge expense and we travel to games by car not bus. The gear is washed at St Colmans Park by one of the U17 Management team (who give their time voluntary) after every match so that expense is spared for us. Unlike previous U17 and Youth teams, who I believed paid nothing for years, the U17 management have decided to have the team pay its way. That is the we we have run our team since they were U11.

I have decided to comment and reply to posts on this thread because of the inaccuracies made specifically about the U17 team. As U17 manager I have no problem clarifying how we operate and I feel I have done so here. I will not be replying to any more comments on this issue.

I would urge those who have issues regarding the club to raise them at the AGM which is the correct forum to stand up and speak about any issue which you as members may have about the club. Eddie O'Halloran
20/02/2008, 10:35 PM
ramsfan

lads i think this thread is getting a little stale, the management of the underage teams is not in question they are doing a fantastic job, only have to looka t players coming through to seniors and players on fringe to see this, the problem is a pitch and more to the point insurance the main reasoning for most pitches being unavailable is the fact no matter how many forms you sign if you break a leg on someones land they are responsible

at the end of the day if teams have to play outside cobh it is not the best situation but it is better than having no teams at all, people moan about rams not being available but there must be 7-8 teams looking to us it every week as well as training and if we are to stand any chance the pitch needs to be in top condition for senior team

look at chelsea they play all reserves and below in brentfords ground , other teams do it so it really is not that big a deal, a long term solution will have to be found as if we have ambitions as a club we need a proper facility for training but at he mo it is boom time for land and we are caught smack bang in the middle

what i do find hard to understand is the uncooperative nature of other clubs in cobh they have pitches why not allow rams to play there and make some revenue or train in there grounds as rams play mostly in there off season

i go back to my original post, i firmly believe an artificial pitch is the way forward
20/02/2008, 11:25 PM
MojoPin

your missing a number of basic points in relation to the astro turf! ramblers operate at least 20 teams! senior, under 20, youth, 17's, ladies, under 6's all the way up to under 16's. all these teams tarin twice a week we'll say! thats 40 hours if each get an hour slot twice a week! now if 6pm n is prime rental time mon - fri thats a huge chunk gone out of the equation! ontop of this if the teams are training for free its gonna cost the club a few hundred euro an hour (assuming they cost this) due to the top quality lights having to be turned on constantly!!!! now im not saying multipal teams cant train at the same time but if Ramblers own the facility im sure individual teams would expect more space and time offered to them! on top of this there is already a fairly new astro turf in the area, which would provide substantial competition in a small town such as cobh! insurance is another serious factor the local nightowls was discontinued due to high insurance costs!

im not sure but do dundalk have as many teams to field?
21/02/2008, 11:21 AM
outside in

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Originally Posted by MojoPin

your missing a number of basic points in relation to the astro turf! ramblers operate at least 20 teams! senior, under 20, youth, 17's, ladies, under 6's all the way up to under 16's. all these teams tarin twice a week we'll say! thats 40 hours if each get an hour slot twice a week! now if 6pm n is prime rental time mon - fri thats a huge chunk gone out of the equation! ontop of this if the teams are training for free its gonna cost the club a few hundred euro an hour (assuming they cost this) due to the top quality lights having to be turned on constantly!!!! now im not saying multipal teams cant train at the same time but if Ramblers own the facility im sure individual teams would expect more space and time offered to them! on top of this there is already a fairly new astro turf in the area, which would provide substantial competition in a small town such as cobh! insurance is another serious factor the local nightowls was discontinued due to high insurance costs!

im not sure but do dundalk have as many teams to field?

i would think every team pays for da astro,i agree wit ya on there being an astro here already but surly if and its a big if rams had an astro every s/r team should have to use it,it should get ya 20 grand a year.but we would need around 700,000 for a good astro
21/02/2008, 11:24 AM
6yardpunisha

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Originally Posted by outside in

i would think every team pays for da astro,i agree wit ya on there being an astro here already but surly if and its a big if rams had an astro every s/r team should have to use it,it should get ya 20 grand a year.but we would need around 700,000 for a good astro

dundalk make approx �200,000 per annum profit from their astroturf, think if people had a choice between colaiste mhuire and Colmans Park, Colmans Park would be the choice of most people
21/02/2008, 11:28 AM
outside in

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Originally Posted by ramsfan

what i do find hard to understand is the uncooperative nature of other clubs in cobh they have pitches why not allow rams to play there and make some revenue or train in there grounds as rams play mostly in there off season

that would mean that their pitch was used all year round,each club has to protect their investment.there not in good shape anyway wanderers is a sand pit and springers cant cope wit the games they have on it now never mind playing on it in the off season
21/02/2008, 11:31 AM
outside in

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Originally Posted by 6yardpunisha

dundalk make approx �200,000 per annum profit from their astroturf, think if people had a choice between colaiste mhuire and Colmans Park, Colmans Park would be the choice of most people

holy s##t,how much do they charge an hour �200:eek:?
21/02/2008, 11:31 AM
MojoPin

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Originally Posted by outside in

i would think every team pays for da astro,i agree wit ya on there being an astro here already but surly if and its a big if rams had an astro every s/r team should have to use it,it should get ya 20 grand a year.but we would need around 700,000 for a good astro

i dont think ramblers underage tems would expect to pay for the use! and just thinking of it the ramblers floodlights would prob outweigh the cost of renting the place! does anyone have an estimate as to what the lights cost an hour? and another thing is light pollution the surrouding houses wouldnt be too happy if them lights were on from 6 to 11 everynight!

im not trying to be negative here but just thinking of the foreseeable problems! the main advantage of astro fields isthey offer a good home record to the home team!

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