2008 Licences

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Originally Posted by garyderry

A $hel$ fan giving out about crowd control and greed :p
now ur taking the **** :D

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giving out ???
It was a question

Shelbourne have their house in order, thank you for asking!
When we didn't do things by the book we got caught and we're still paying for it. If anything Shelbourne are a good example of how good the licence process can be and I wouldn't ever say we deserved less than what we got.

All I'm looking for is a fair system for everyone :)
Droghea were breaking the crowd restriction rules last season and I want to know if thats what brought about this all ticket rule ? If it is then I'd say fair play to the FAI as they've moved to stop another club gaining an advantage over the other 21 clubs. Not the 21 clubs fault Drogheda won't put money into their ground and instead pump it all into players.

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Originally Posted by forza rovers

how many tickets will the away fans be aloclated

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Don;t worry the twenty of you will be accomodated:D

400 max for a big away support

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Originally Posted by higgins

Droghea were breaking the crowd restriction rules last season .

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Prove that statement

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Originally Posted by SeanDrog

Prove that statement

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He cant know one can, hence why you have been asked to be all ticket this season.

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Originally Posted by garyderry

He cant know one can, hence why you have been asked to be all ticket this season.

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What?

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Originally Posted by John83

What?

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By having it all ticket through ticketmaster, they now will be able to prove if Drogs are leaving too many in, whereas they couldnt last year.

My interpretation of it anyway

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Originally Posted by micls

By having it all ticket through ticketmaster, they now will be able to prove if Drogs are leaving too many in, whereas they couldnt last year.

My interpretation of it anyway

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What? They leave them there? For how long???

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Originally Posted by Magicme

What? They leave them there? For how long???

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I think you missed the word 'in' :D

Ok, in my opinion drogheda were letting in more than they were allowed last season! Is that better ??? There were plenty of posts on foot about it too.

Anyway, I started off by asking a question. Nobody has answered it yet ???
Can you please explain why the FAI would want a club to have all their games as all ticket ?

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Originally Posted by higgins

Can you please explain why the FAI would want a club to have all their games as all ticket ?

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Because they were letting in more than they should have been but this year it will be controlled. ;)

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Originally Posted by higgins

Can you please explain why the FAI would want a club to have all their games as all ticket ?

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To have concrete figures to go on for their licence criteria, rather than relying on clubs being 'honest' about their figures hopefully

Last season the attendences figures permittable were set by the local fire officer, I would presume the club need some sort of safety statement etc to go with their application for a licence and he wanted more controls in place to ensure we stuck to these figures before giving a "sign off" - that would be my guess at least. Now your opinion may well be right regarding more being let in than allowed but as there is no proof of any sort it is then just conjecture.

You also said we are spending all our cash on players rather than on the ground. The attendence is capped because we have no entrance at one end of the home terrace - nothing we can do about that as it is boxed in. The club spent money on improving the walk ways, safety barriers and additonal gates allowing entry onto the pitch - so to state that no cash going into the ground was wrong.

Also as they are heavily involved in trying to get a new 10,000 all seater stadium off the ground and spending cash on this project (38000e alone was lodged with the planning application) - why would they invest heavily on Utd Park? (and no I have no update on the ground - I believe the council asked for further information and its being put together).

Best of luck next season imo the sooner the better shels are back in the Premier , I for one miss them.

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Originally Posted by eelmonster

Dundalk got a Premier licence last year, no news from Oriel yet on the 08 licence though, wouldn't expect us to be in any (major) difficulties.

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I heard that dundalk and athlone did not get a premier licence hard to believe. they both have good grounds, is it true?

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Originally Posted by passerrby

I heard that dundalk and athlone did not get a premier licence hard to believe. they both have good grounds, is it true?

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there's alot more to licensing than good grounds. Altho surprised that Dundalk didnt get one (if true)

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Originally Posted by passerrby

I heard that dundalk and athlone did not get a premier licence hard to believe. they both have good grounds, is it true?

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Athlones finances were hilariously mismanaged.

We're talking near Limerick levels of incompetence here.

Not sure about Dundalk, maybe someone realised their pitch is a disgrace??

The decision as to why you don't see the need to upgrade United Park is your own. You have plans, big wow!! While you remain in United Park and are happy to put peoples safety at risk you need to play by the rules the rest of us play by (yeah, I know a shels fan talking about rules, haha). I was just stating that the other 21 clubs are sticking to their max limits, as a Shels fan I can only pray we get half that!!

I don't have proof you let more in than allowed last season, that was just my opinion but it seems the FAI/Fire officer are also of the same opinion.

I would also imagine the money spent on upgrading United Park would have paid for itself by now in gate receipts ?
You're going to be in United Park for another year or two at best. If I was a fan I'd have major issues with putting money into the playing side of the club while supporters can't get tickets to get into a game!

What is the official limits for United Park by the way ?
They are stated in the licence report so there has to be some figure.

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Originally Posted by redron

No offence to you in particular, but a lot of posters here (and it was the same last season) rabbit on about the licensing system and the minimum criteria. But if anyone actually read the document they would see that there is LOTS of wiggle room. Some areas are critical, while many areas are allowed on condition that they are met within an agreed timeframe, with sanctions applicable (fines, points, or even relegation) at any stage in the process.

Answer is, there's no inconsistency with the licensing manual!
If you think the licensing procedure is too soft, well that's another matter.

Here's the link to the licansing manual:
http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_Club_Licen...anual_2008.pdf
It's a PDF file, 1.34MB.

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I've read the manuals from 2006, 2007 and 2008. IMHO there are plenty of inconsistencies in the document, but principly the followingL

"The withdrawal of a licence or imposition of a sanction is not mandatory and the FAI Licensing Committee will have discretion to exercise this power or not."

This effectively sets aside the whole manual and turns something that was intended to be an objective sanction (non-compliance equals non-participation) into something that is wholly subjective.

Having spent too much of my life designing and implementing compliance documentation this is patently ridiculous and non-transparent.

To Tismee, I look forward to your contributions....

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Originally Posted by higgins

While you remain in United Park and are happy to put peoples safety at risk

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Put people's safety at risk?!?!

Good Grief. :rolleyes:

It's a football ground not the knives, chemicals and fireworks factory.

And the Oscar for best melodramatic performance gos to higgins.......

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If I was a fan I'd have major issues with putting money into the playing side of the club while supporters can't get tickets to get into a game!

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Just aswell you follow the LoI then isn't it

Lim till I die, Droghedas actions will result in fans of other clubs not being able to get tickets to see their team play ?

If you're happy with that then fair enough.

If anyones safety was at risk we wouldn't be allowed play there so its very disingenuous to be implying otherwise. Given all the attempted mud slinging towards shels over the years I would have expected more from a shels fan than to engage in the same type of tactic.

Last season the cap varied throughout the season on the permittable figure - moved up a more work was completed. It ranged from 1000 (at one point) to 1500 and tipped around 2000 (towards then end). I haven't heard the figure for this year - all depends if they have put in additonal measures - for our last 2 home games we had a crash barrier running the length of the home terrace (reason for 2000 ish attendence).

Actually the new ground is quite a big wow! and the home support are more than aware of this and for the time being (and it is the time being ) putting up with disruption.

And as I stated there is nothing the club can do about a second entrance on the home terrace side - it is boxed in with a private house and the GAA grounds. Pain in the arse but hopefully for us we will not be putting up with it much longer. But if the pain is having to prepurchase tickets then so be it (or buy a season ticket).

I have to say I do find it funny that you are letting our problems annoy you so much :D - if we meet shels at some point in a cup etc I doubt you will have an issue getting a ticket form the away support allocation.

On another point what type of attendences did you get last season in the first? (no jibe - just interested)