One assumes you share similar sentiments with those who lost their lives in the two world warsQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
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One assumes you share similar sentiments with those who lost their lives in the two world warsQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
I really agree with 9/10 of your posts John83, but i have never ever heard so much sh!te in my life, i mean your on a football forum, meaning we all llove soccer, rough guess at least 1/2 of the people on this forum support united, so this is close to every football fans heart. They were the top notch of everything we stand for and support, great footballers, we all feel slightly symphatetic to the people who have no water and what not, but to say our "perspective is for idiots" is some what a idiotic comment in itself. We are entitled to our own opinon, im no john o shea(not the footballer) or adi roche, but i do care about people starving in the world(very little i do admit, because i do nothing about it) but i do feel more moved about seeing such a legend like bobby charlton, crying on national television about his friends, great players who all died together, probalbly the songle most biggerst football tragedy ever. and as a football fan i do acknowledge it as the tragedy it really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Are you really comparing people who fought and died in the wars to footballers who got on the wrong plane? You realise that Buddy Holly and his band's anniversary was February 2nd as well, given that quite a lot of people in attendence at Croke probably listen to rock music should we not have had a moment's silence for Buddy, the Big Bopper and the rest?Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
That's THE point.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
If you're indifferent to such a tribute - have the manners and dignity to keep your mouth shut and respect those who wish to observe it.
I find some of the comments on here quite disingenuous and uncharitable.
Surely this whole debate is about showing respect in the football community for those who lost their lives while pursuing careers in the best game in the world. I am no lover of ManU but I don't think it is too much to ask to respect a one minute silence.
However, what I do get miffed about is that while the Munich crash was disastrous, an even greater football disaster occurred on 8 April 1993 when the entire Zambian national team was killed in an air crash on their way to a WCF against Senegal. I don't remember ever hearing any tributes or calls for moments of respect for this.
How about an indefinite silence for this thread. Corporate giants like Man U cannot dictate morals to the masses. Anyone buying into this 50 year anniversary is a moron.
Remind me, why exactly was Tuff Paddy banned from this site?
It was footballers (+reporters) who died on that flight - it was a football match on wednesday where the minutes silence was observedQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
An Irish international died on that flight - Only right that he be remembered by current players and fans on the night of an irish international match .
It was exactly 50 years to the date that the players perished on the runway in munich
Your points and opinions aren'y wanted on this subject so just give it a rest.
This is where perspective comes into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Did you hear the one about the Zambian team top of their qualifying group for USA 94 dying when their plane crashed into the sea because the Zambian FA couldn't afford a commercial airliner so packed them off into a military plane instead.
To me that's more tragic than the Munich disaster.
Hillsborough and the finger-pointing that went on afterwards was probably a bigger disaster than what went with United.
Perspective is what its all about.
This is ridiculous, so if someone comes up with a 'perceivably bigger' tragedy' then all other ones are not counted or should not be rembered. All of the above are tradgic in their own right. Just on this night the FAI decided to remember one of their own men who died 50 years ago when returning home from a european cup 1/4 final. Why people find this hard to fathom is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
shut this down
Honestly Jesus it was a minute silence
1 *ucking minute of silence you swear you all were put into a torture chamber.
Can we not just move on from this?
Some guy said 4 caps makes him no legend (Whelan) wtf is he talking about.
How the hell was he going to win more then 4 caps if he was dead?
As I said shut this down, stupid.
I'd suggest it's you talking sh*te. Half this site Man U supporters. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
I can see a minutes silence over the death of Whelan. The event occured in a foreign country. As someone pointed out, where's the minutes silence for the Torino, Zambia and the black Dutch players killed in Surinam, especially as the last two, there were no survivors.
What is ironic is that when the crash occured, I doubt there were many Man U fans in this country. I certainly doubt if anyone ever travelled there for the weekend. And the only interest in the club was if Irish players - like Whelan or Carey - were playing there. The only Irish people who turned up at Old Trafford were those that had emigrated to the city, like my father who was living in Manchester at the time.
I agree that those with reservations over this. I'd be more happy with a minute's silence for Irish servicemen who died in both world wars fighting for the British than this, and I'm far from someone that is seen wearing a poppy. The FAI should have taken a stronger line. It's the Diana funeral all over again.
Don't be calling me ridiculous, I agree it was a tragedy, and a minutes silence was appropriate due to Liam Whelan's passing, but to define it as the single biggest football tragedy ever is just boll*cks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland4ever
Why was he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Nice argument there Hitler. Honestly someone disagrees with you and suddenly you all get uppity. As I've said, I stood in silence for the 36 seconds, wouldn't dream of breaking it, but that doesn't mean I care about the Busby Babes. Furthermore not one of you has given a good explaination as to why I should care about the Busby BabesQuote:
Originally Posted by Ireland4ever
At what point did i describe it as the single biggest tragedy? I pointed out that the FAI decided to remember one of our players who was cut down in a tradgic circumstance - while on footballing duty. To suggest i said otherwise is ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
As ive said already what you should care about is one of our own dying while returning from a football match. Your opinions on the rest of the babes i am indifferent to. Just cant understand why a minutes silence for Liam 'Billy' Whelan would upset you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Pretty certain there was a minutes silence at Lansdowne before the Denmark game later that month, correct me if I'm wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Munich has been milked to high heaven by Man U and still is to this day in what I consider a very distasteful way especially considering the clubs attitutde towards the survivors and the families of the dead in the aftermath.
I'd never break a minute's silence but had this been an Irish player who died in a tragic car accident 50 years back but hadn't played for Man U I doubt a minutes silence would have been even considered.
This thread is truly pathetic.
Are people actually arguing over the minutes silence and then some saying it was not merited because X, Y or Z was more
tragic?
and I distinctly remember a minutes silence at lansdowne for the Zambians
The mind boggles:confused:
Now I'm not saying I disagree with the minute silence but I remember seeing this in the Irish Times last Saturday:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/a...82_427351a.jpg
I pointed out the AIG bit to friends and they didn't seem to care, but I think it's disgusting that (even though it's their sponsor) Man Utd had AIG up on the board. If that was meant to be a commemoration, then there should be no room for advertising on it.