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02/01/2008, 3:45 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Blanchflower

Ridiculous analogy.

Small, unsuccessful teams are uncompetitive, but they can become competitive by improving their team. In a league set-up in which revenue is distributed only to a small number of clubs (AIL), those teams have less chance of improving their team. In a league set-up in which it is distributed to more clubs, they have a greater chance of improving their team.

How much money is being centrally distributed at present, North and South of the border? Do you even know?

In the context of my own club it is frankly irrelevant. Revenue is self-generated and always has been. Is the IL different?

Whatever about my analogy your knowledge of the EL is clearly lacking.
02/01/2008, 4:18 PM
Mr_Parker

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

The only upside is that they have a shot at the bigtime, same as today,

Will they? How is P&R to work in this bright new dawn?
02/01/2008, 4:21 PM
Mr_Parker

Everyone should keep asking themselves these couple of questions imo. Why is this company promoting this and so willing to make investments etc in football? Why will the clubs involved not be patners in this venture but franchisees?
02/01/2008, 4:25 PM
Bald Student

I'm in favour if the systems are fair but I don't think it will happen this Autumn. The year after maybe.
02/01/2008, 4:25 PM
holidaysong

I'd like to see an AIL come about through a FAI-IFA partnership, not the breakaway franchise show that is currently being touted.
02/01/2008, 5:03 PM
sullanefc

@ Blanchflower & OneRedArmy

You could argue that increased prize money means a decreased dependancy on large crowds.

Therefore the gap between the haves and have nots at the moment (which Blanchflower says depends on crowd sizes at the moment) could decrease.

Meaning that this AIL could benefit the smaller clubs.
02/01/2008, 5:26 PM
Lim till i die

Hilarious Thread.

It will happen at some stage.

The clubs will pi$$ the extra money down the drain on increased wages.

And you will end up back at square one minus the ones that went to the wall.

2m for the winners?!?! Wowza!! :rolleyes:
02/01/2008, 5:26 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by sullanefc

@ Blanchflower & OneRedArmy

You could argue that increased prize money means a decreased dependancy on large crowds.

Therefore the gap between the haves and have nots at the moment (which Blanchflower says depends on crowd sizes at the moment) could decrease.

Meaning that this AIL could benefit the smaller clubs.

and when exactly will the have nots see any prize money
02/01/2008, 5:29 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by passerrby

and when exactly will the have nots see any prize money

Well if for example the proposed prize money from the company is true, would the FAI not be able to use the current prize money for the tier below?

At the moment how much prize money are the 'have nots' getting?
02/01/2008, 5:32 PM
passerrby

only if our bigger brothers dont try and push us away from the table..but then I can trust them ..cant I
02/01/2008, 5:42 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by passerrby

only if our bigger brothers dont try and push us away from the table..but then I can trust them ..cant I

From what table? Even if the 'breakaway' did happen, there would still be an EL, run by the FAI. It would be up to them how they distribute their money.

Of course you cant trust the bigger clubs. They don't care about you...why should they?

It's up to the smaller clubs as a group or the governing body 'FAI' to push the 'fairness' angle and use it as a bargaining chip to go along with the new league thingy
02/01/2008, 5:45 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by micls

It's up to the smaller clubs as a group or the governing body 'FAI' to push the 'fairness' angle and use it as a bargaining chip to go along with the new league thingy

Explain how this would work
02/01/2008, 5:49 PM
EalingGreen

Mr. Parker raises two very pertinent questions.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Why is this company promoting this and so willing to make investments etc in football?

Presumably because they see a profit in it for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Why will the clubs involved not be patners in this venture but franchisees?

So that the company promoting it may maintain control i.e. any club which screws them around (or just screws up generally) faces the sanction of having its Franchise taken away from them.

We must also assume that this is also how Prom & Rel would work i.e. that the Franchise passes from the Relegated club to its Promoted replacement.

[That's pre-supposing they intend to allow P&R; if they don't, I can't see the excluded clubs ever agreeing, so that they would undoubtedly use their voting power and influence to cause the FAI and/or IFA to withdraw their support. And if either/both Associations were hostile, I can't see UEFA sanctioning it, thereby killing it dead]
02/01/2008, 5:51 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Explain how this would work

Well given I dont have the details to whats actually being proposed then Its just a guess but...

If the clubs are trying to get the FAI on board, the FAI should insist on certain things.

e.g. Some percentage of prizemoney going to the lower league North and South. On top of this the FAI should use the current prize money to bulk the money of their EL division.

Also I think there should be some way of giving the promoted team a chance of staying up. Have no idea how this would be done though
02/01/2008, 5:54 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by micls

If the clubs are trying to get the FAI on board

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for the 16 clubs to oppose it and kill it dead ala what Mr. Green was saying??
02/01/2008, 5:57 PM
passerrby

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Originally Posted by micls

It's up to the smaller clubs as a group or the governing body 'FAI' to push the 'fairness' angle and use it as a bargaining chip to go along with the new league thingy

I think your right its about time the "smaller clubs called the super league to the "table" and asked them to **** or get of the pot and if they are off then good luck we can then establish our own super healthy league under control of them nice people at the fai who will give us everything our hearts desires.
02/01/2008, 6:07 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for the 16 clubs to oppose it and kill it dead ala what Mr. Green was saying??

Firstly I wouldnt be sure all 16 would oppose it. There are rumoured to be 8 EL places the though of being one of the other 2 might encourage some clubs to give it a chance.

Secondly, even if the 16 clubs did oppose it would it guarantee the FAI would reject it. Im not sure what the voting structures are within the FAI but how much power do the clubs actually have? The FAI might try to 'convince' clubs to sign up if they want it so I don't think it would be that straightforward
02/01/2008, 6:12 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by micls

Firstly I wouldnt be sure all 16 would oppose it. There are rumoured to be 8 EL places the though of being one of the other 2 might encourage some clubs to give it a chance.

I could actually see our board supporting this travesty on the basis of Geography now that you mention it. :o

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The FAI might try to 'convince' clubs to sign up if they want it so I don't think it would be that straightforward

Why would the FAI want it??

Genuine question, not being arsey.

Don't get me wrong from a selfish point of view I hope it happens and fast because I genuinely think it will be an absolute balls up.
02/01/2008, 6:15 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Why would the FAI want it??

No idea, but theres no hope of it getting off the ground without their backing so the people must at least think there's a good chance of convincing them to support it.
02/01/2008, 6:18 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by micls

No idea, but theres no hope of it getting off the ground without their backing so the people must at least think there's a good chance of convincing them to support it.

Who are these people??

Is it true the FAI own Turners Cross and Terryland Park??

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