Terracing

WUM, clearly just takeing the p!ss. And on the half chance that you arent, your wrong and your Premiership branded and packaged style of football will never come over here. the LOI is too unpopular and only the few thousand zealots that continue going to games have the diametrically opposed opinion of yours, so you lose my friend. The drums and megaphones will be going for a long time more, and this is the best part, the trust have actually ordered a megaphone, me and 'the 'not so decent' class of people will have lots of fun with that. ;)

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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan

If I want that I'll go out for a meal at a nice restaurant.

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For a nice prawn sandwich. I follow Man Utd but everyone knows it got one of the worst atmospheres in the Premiership

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

What planet are you from? Old Trafford should be the example all EL clubs strive for. The facilities are top class, even have a tv in the toilets. Im sure if we had similar facilities more would go. The days of consumers tolerating 2nd rate facilities are long gone and its time for the EL to move on.

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North Stand Lower v United Road Paddock. Gimme a fookin break.

Back on topic, clubs here should be trying to incorporate safe standing either to one of the German models (which I really can't believe some of them are that much more than normal seats) or should simply incorporate terrace areas into their grounds. The obsession with having a ground which is 100% open for what is for most clubs a handful of European games a decade, never mind a season, is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Macy

Back on topic, clubs here should be trying to incorporate safe standing either to one of the German models (which I really can't believe some of them are that much more than normal seats) or should simply incorporate terrace areas into their grounds. The obsession with having a ground which is 100% open for what is for most clubs a handful of European games a decade, never mind a season, is ridiculous.

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I'll go back to the Odense example. They have the same steps etc all the way round the ground, but have left some seats out and put cruch barriers in ahead. it absolutely takes nothing away from the aethetics of the place, and is obviously 100% safe

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Probably a better example would be Donnybrook or Thomond Park. Those places are rocking for big european games with all noise and support created naturally. The numbers are also loud enough to get a proper song going as well as top class corporate facilities for those who want it in the marquees behind the stands. Everyone is catered for and its such a success tickets for these games are like hens teeth. So as opposed to copying the EPL I agree that this is unrealistic and am big enough to admit that. However Id propose that the Leinster and Munster rugby models are the ones we should use in terms of facilities.

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Donnybrook is a far worse ground than several LOI grounds. And has never rocked once for a european game, when it hosted them in the past. Having gone to every Leinster rugby game in Europe for 3 years I can safely say the armosphere has been deplorable, and thats with booze being consumed.

The fact you use the word soccer proves you couldn't possibly be a football fan.

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Its different in that it isnt chanting etc but more applause etc which encourages a whole lot more than 10 or 15 lads creating a racket.

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:rolleyes: x1,000,000

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As for donnybrook being worse.. what EL grounds have the corporate facilities of Donnybrook?

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What corporate facilities? A marquee thats set up on the day? Any club could have that. As it is the bars in Tolka, Oriel, Dalymount and others are all better

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And using the word soccer so what? Its to make sure nobody confuses it with GAA

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and real football fans would never do that...

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Leinster and Munster get far more better support for the big europen games than any Eircom league game Ive ever been to. Its different in that it isnt chanting etc but more applause etc which encourages a whole lot more than 10 or 15 lads creating a racket.

As for donnybrook being worse.. what EL grounds have the corporate facilities of Donnybrook?

And using the word soccer so what? Its to make sure nobody confuses it with GAA

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Leinster and Munster get better support, because they are 2 of only 4 professional rugby teams in the country.


and there's only Football and Gaelic Football, that should distinguish the difference between the two sports for you.

Also add to the fact that most eL clubs would get much larger average attendances than the leinster and munster ''brands'' bar the few big games they will play:rolleyes:

The LoI clubs based near Munster/Leinster/Connaught rugby all have better facilites anyway;)

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

that you have to stand on terraces to be a "real" fan and anyone who enjoys sitting in comfort in corporate facilities is not.

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Thats about it allright, but id include people who sit in the stand as well;)

Just because you can afford something dosent mean you have to go out and buy it.

Fair enough if someone wants to sit in a corporate box behind glass having an overpriced drink/meal. But to call them proper fans is pushing a little dont you think? 99.999% of these types have no interest in the match, simply its an (overpriced) day out for them, same as the dogs, horse racing, the dublin horse show, latter stages of GAA championships and the Heiniken Cup

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Just because someone can afford some luxury they are less important as a fan?

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There are football fans with money who would never sit in a corporate box because they are football fans. I just don't get the corporate box thing, if you are looking for comfort watch football in the pub or at home.

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

What a generalisation ! Again its inverted snobbery "you have to be poor or in the worst facilities in the ground to be a true fan" such nonsense!

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Why do you think we want poor facilities? As has been pointed out on here time and time again, German grounds are among the best in Europe, yet they have terracing.
As for the scrote in a tracksuit comment, who's generalising now?

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

What a generalisation ! Again its inverted snobbery "you have to be poor or in the worst facilities in the ground to be a true fan" such nonsense!
I opt for the corporate section when I can yet have followed soccer all my life. To say some scrote ina tracksuit is a better fan than me cos he pays in less is ludicrous. Unless you have been in the corporate facilities yourself you cannot comment. I have seen fans in the boxes at old trafford delighted at some goals but according to you they have no right to be happy at such things

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Thats not what I said, I simply stated that most people in corporate areas have more interest in spending money than actually being at the match, which is true. While I personally have never been to a corporate facility I have seen and heard for myself what they are like. Fair enogh if thats the way you like to watch football then good luck to you.

Just dont go off claiming to be better than people who 'wear tracksuits' and stand at a match, and saying other idiotic rubbish about players rifling balls at singing sections etc.

Once again your point about money is really petty to be honest, so what if someone has it, they dont have to rent/buy a corporate box etc. for the day to show off. Do these people travel the length and breath of England to watch their club? Thought not:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Yes quite often they do.. you obviously associate terraces with good fans and corporate boxes with bad fans. Being a "real fan" and a corporate box owner are not mutually exclusive.

Take Abramovic.. he loves chelsea, is delighted when they win, pumps money into them..and watches in the corporate boxes. See there are good and bad in both the terrace camps and corporate camps.

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Well he's hardly going to be thrilled if all his money's worth loses now, is he?

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

Yes but its not about the money

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Yeah, you can see his deep lifelong pssion for Chelsea....considering he didn't/dosen't even like football before he bought them...

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

He has always been a football fan

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Oh you know him well do you?:confused:

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Oh you know him well do you?:confused:

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Yeah, they share a coporate box together while sampling in the non-existent but better atmosphere.


No drums either.

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

I do not know you personally but have a fair idea what you are like.

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I'd love to hear it.

Was the thing you read about Roman Abramovich playing football, the complimentary Chelsea Match programme, you get with your Corporate box?

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

you obviously associate terraces with good fans and corporate boxes with bad fans. Being a "real fan" and a corporate box owner are not mutually exclusive.

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I'll agree with this.

The idea that anybody who is in a corporate box CANNOT be a real fan is silly. A fan who decides to spend their money to make the experience more comfortable, at the expense of some atmosphere, doesn't automatically lose the right to be called a true fan.


But the problem is what you say yourself about some of those in corporate boxes -

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Originally Posted by Cupcakes

You go to the boxes for a good day out and the football or atmosphereis a side issue

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Those people are not real fans in any way.

How many people in the stands or on the terraces will give the same reasons as you've given above, as a reason they go to games. Not many.

I'm certain a far higher percentage of those in the terraces/stands care more about the result than those in the corporate boxes.