Printable View
I think that roy keane is dead right in what he is saying, he is irish isnt he, he has as much right to comment as any off s do, but at least his comments get media attention, he seems to be our new voicthe f.a.i f*c*ed around roy keane. so why wuld he hold back, he can show what a shambles they are they are a disgrace. i dont care who from the f.a.i reads this DISGRACE
He is right in most of what he says but the anti Cork thing still does not add up. Maybe he found that when he was there but there is no way that Miller is not in the squad because he is from Cork. Keane is using that as a way of getting at the FAI. There are far more other areas that he could use to vent his anger at them. As I said Stephen Ireland is in the squad and is from Cork. There is no evidence to suggest there is anti cork bias at senior level. What I find sad is that not many people seem to be able to say, some things he say are good and some are rubbish its seems its an all or nothing with Keane. YOu are either with him or against him sort of approach. A lot of posters on here back up rubbish that he says just cause they love him and others attack some bits of sense he says cause they hate him. As we often say on this attack the post not the poster and in this case look at the words not the person saying them.
is that you Roy ? Training finished for the day at Sunderland, it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by limerickblue
Keano will be at Man Utd in 3 years time or so. I can really see that happening if he takes Sunderland up and keeps em up for 2 seasons or so.
I'd love him to become Irish manager but he'd never come with the current mob in charge.
Especially with Clown Doyle getting a call up.
Keane is talking the same crap as Warnock does about his players.
As for a bias, I know fellas from Cork, Lim and Waterford that were involved in the Irish set up and ALL of them said its far easier for the Dub players, mainly to get noticed in the first place, but also to even stay in contact with their coaches. These are 5 different fellas and they all mentioned to various degrees that it was a bit clannish among the Dubs and that this included the staff.
Keane probably remembers similar experience himself in the early days but I don't see any of that in the senior set-up atm.
Are the FAI a disgrace? Delaney stated that he would be appointing a "World Class" manager! We have no stadium. And the odd ball behaviour of many of their members down the years (FAI) has definetely had a bad effect on the team. So on that point Keane is right. Keane, Duff, Dunne will never be dropped by Staunton. They play every game no matter how bad their performances. Keane right again.
I think its O Shea and Kilbane who fall into that Category more than anybody of players who are never dropped no matter how bad they are.
So much for the Cork thing being sarcastic. Retirement hasn't calmed him completely, he's still fairly unhinged.
Someone needs to tell him that it's not healthy to hang onto these things from his teenage years. He really needs to let it go.Quote:
(The rabid anti-Corkite Ride Them Rock Solid attitude) definitely doesn't help Liam Miller. If he was further up the country, I'm pretty sure he would be in the Irish squad.
'I don't just say these things. There's no doubt in my mind that Liam Miller being from Cork certainly doesn't help him.'
The Corkonian said his early career was frustrated by Dublin-based officials overlooking him in favour of players from the capital city.
'It happened to me when I was 17, 18 years of age, being in Irish squads with youth teams, not getting a game and lads ahead of you, who are still a year younger than you, who could have played a year later, getting a game,' he said.
'It happened to me at Bray Wanderers when I played France for the Irish under-16s or 17s - lads getting on in front of me who still had another year under age, the following year.
'The lads who got ahead of me that night were from Dublin and the manager that night was from Dublin. I know Steve Staunton's not from Dublin but a lot of the FAI are.'
Asked if Cork-born players had to play better than everybody else to get selected for the national squad, he replied: 'You've hit the nail on the head. Without a doubt.'
Still, it's nice to see him keeping up the tradition of his annual Guide Dog Rant. :)
Be fair, one of the only players to come out of the San Marino game with any credit was Kilbane. No matter how bad he plays he gives 100% for the team and that is quite unique in our current squad. If we could give all the players in the squad his commitment we would be far far better off!!! How many times has he been "injured" for friendlies?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
The anti-Cork rant takes away from everything else Keane is saying. I dont think anyone here buys that line. Its a ridiculous comment which defies any logic, so lets just leave it out of the debate. I live in Cork and its the type of "talk first think later" comment the natives come out with. Someone should just tell him to get a grip, its usually shuts them up.
Liam Miller wasnt good enough to make Sunderlands first XI v Stoke City, why oh why should he be in the squad. Connolly should though, i agree with him there but I suspect our reasons for his inclusion would be slight different.
Which is it Roy? Are the FAI an organizational shambles, or have they organized a vast and sinister anti-cork conspiracy?
Reder dismisses any hint of anti cork bias amongst the Dubs...Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
...eh I see.....no bias here then:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Keane tends to rotate a lot of his squad. Miller generally gets good reviews on the Sunderland message boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
Have to say its sad to see the anti keane anti manu brigade out in force whenever anyone comes out with the truth. must kill them to see what an absolute joke their hero staunton has made of the national team. keanes words about the Irish team are bang on the money. a lot of players not taking responsibility and a mediocre attitude from top to bottom.
Roy Keane has criticised a number of his former Ireland team-mates ahead of Saturday's Euro 2008 qualifier against Wales.
Keane has claimed that several Ireland players get picked only because of their media image.
"Once you keep playing them on the reputation they've built up through the media or because they do lots of interviews, then it's wrong," he said.
"There's a fine line between loyalty and stupidity."
Last week, the Sunderland boss blasted Ireland boss Steve Staunton for leaving out Blacks Cats players David Connolly and Liam Miller from his latest Republic squad but it was "senior" players on the receiving end of Keane's latest comments.
"Come Saturday against Wales the senior players - four or five of them - have to step up to the plate. But they've been asked before.
"That's why I don't get bogged down by saying we've got world-class players with Ireland.
"You look at some of our lads at the bigger clubs...none of these players at this moment in time are setting the world alight at their respective clubs."
Keane berated the team for celebrating after beating San Marino and advised them to take a lesson from Ireland's other national sports sides following their recent successes.
"The FAI, the soccer, can learn a lot from the rugby lads, even the cricket lads.
"If you go into something believing you're going to get there, then there's a good chance you'll get there," he said.
"If you think you're not going to get there I guarantee you won't get there. And that definitely comes from the top, the FAI (Football Association of Ireland)."
On the FAI, he added: "If you're used to mediocre, that will get through to the players.
"A 'that'll do' attitude has been going on far too long. That'll do the Irish fans. That'll do us. But I think the Irish fans are getting a bit fed up with it."
Keane repeated his claim that Liam Miller has become the latest Cork-born player to receive a rough deal from Republic of Ireland international teams.
"If he was (from) further up the country, I'm pretty sure he would be in the Irish squad.
"I don't just say these things. There's no doubt in my mind that Liam Miller being from Cork certainly doesn't help him."
Well i think he's talking ****e re the whole Cork thing but I have to agree with everything else. The players need to wake up and smell the coffee! Lets hope this motivates them to prove him wrong by putting in a good performance on saturday.:ball:
throw a few comments in by keane, heap the pressure on and the clamour will come for keane to become ireland manager, play the card i'm from cork and split the country again between republic of ireland and the republic of cork !! whos the winner, his comments were maybe true but ill timed. at the end of the day this country is trying to get to a euro championship and future cv building isnt doing anyone any good regardless of how s***e staunton and delaney are.
Dont agree with the cork thing but I agree with everything else
The only thing more pathetic than Keanes Cork persecution spoofery is the adulation he gets from morons down in "the peeeples republic, like"
Given his history of treachery it might be best for him to keep his nose out of the national team
If the Irish players have any bottle they'll respond to Keane's criticism.
He's voicing what a hell of a lot of people believe to be true.
He's doing Stan a favour from a motivational perspective. That is, if the players have it in them to respond.
If the players have any "bottle" they shouldn't have to be toldQuote:
If the Irish players have any bottle they'll respond to Keane's criticism.
He's sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong very publiclyQuote:
He's voicing what a hell of a lot of people believe to be true.
Again, none of his business.Quote:
He's doing Stan a favour from a motivational perspective.
Why would one of Keanes peers give a rats ar$e what he thinks??Quote:
That is, if the players have it in them to respond.
actually names the players in question in the quote I read (from today's Guardian)
"I'm sure Steve [Staunton] will say, 'I'll pick what I think is the best team'," Keane said. "If they qualify, then fair enough, you can say 'I got it right'. It's your job as a manager. You've got to pick the right team, you've got to manage. But if you keep picking the same players who aren't performing all the time, that's insanity. You'll get the same results.
"We all know the players I'm talking about. There's a fine line between loyalty and stupidity. A very fine line.
"It will be like that against Wales. The four or five senior players have to step up to the plate. But they've been asked before. Look at some of our players at the bigger clubs. Robbie Keane is doing OK at Tottenham, John O'Shea is in and out at [Manchester] United, Duffer's at Newcastle with Shay. But none of these players at this moment in time are setting the world alight. Also Steve Finnan at Liverpool."
While it would be hard to argue with some of his comments about the FAI or the performances, I think its very poor timing to be honest...
if he cares that much why doesn't he try to change the situation .. either canvass to get the job, get Kerr in place of Delaney (not that I want to see Kerr leaving Pats now that we have him back) ... or shut up or at least refrain from making such comments a couple of days before the match. Would have had much more respect for him 5 years ago, if he had just played the games and retired and made his rant then.
Also, think he is being unfair with Given and Finnan.
Edit: actually reading the quote again, I think he is not including Given. Would be a mad thing to say about our one top class player
Stan has already said that the time for excuses is over, if players don´t perform they will be dropped.