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the fai done something for both clubs last year giving batches of 20 tickets away (i think) for local schools and clubs in the area of both drogs and cork. drogs ones were certainly snapped up iirc, not sure if the cork ones were - peader, you might know better on that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peadar
would be a good idea to do it again - the bigger the crowd the better, and of any bandwagon supporters for a big day, i'd say kids would be the easiest to hold onto
Nope, can't confirm but I do think it's a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColinR
Better to have loads of kids getting in for free and hopefully enjoying themselves, rather than having empty seats.
10K is a small crowd though.
Could have had it in Tolka and created a bit of a buzz about it being sold out.
in fairness thats 10,000 sold on the tuesday night of a final on sunday
(IMO most Irish ppl pay in on the day and rarely buy tickets in advance especially for aN Fai game in a stadium they know will be nowehere near capacity)
Was it not 10,000 by last Saturday wws? Thought thats what GK said.*
Anyway, with that amount gone and decent weather ahead, 15K look like a decent crowd
*EDIT; just checked "On Saturday 10,000 tickets had been sold for the final"
1) It's only a few miles across town for your fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
2) Average attendances are meaningless, as Cup Finals are supposed to bring out your biggest crowds.
3) The Cup should mean a lot to Pats fans, as you've had little to cheer about recently.
4) Winning the Cup would see you enter European competition next season.
5) It's the last ever soccer match in the old Lansdowne.
6) Longford, Bray and Finn Harps have taken more than 4,000 to finals in recent years. If you consider your club to be smaller than them, then fair enough..... :o
Still persisting with this? Dublin people do not jump on the bandwagon of dublin clubs, country people do jump on the bandwagon of country teams. The majority of people in Dublin could not give a **** about Pats and would have no idea that the game was on.
The crowd was split about 50/50 in 2003 in our game with Longford. Either way it doen't really matter. If we beat Derry you can console yourself witht he fact that more Derry fans turned up. The hundred or so Pats fans won't mind one little bit
Oh and where were you enquiring about crowds less than 2 years ago when Derry were getting about 700 at a game. ****ing pathetic arguing over which one of two very poorly supported teams (in real terms) brings more to a cup final
So what if its only a few miles?? Dont like blow ins anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
2) Thats why we'll take about 3 times our average at least
3)Yeah thats true thats why 3 times our average attendence is going to be there maybe more..
4) See answer 2 or 3
5) Why shoudl that effect our support?
6)Looking for a bite there one I wont provide.
Who cares what we bring end of.
If we win (we wont I know) and have 100 there its all teh same to us... what concern is how many we take to the game of yours anyway??
Derry a big club:D
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Originally Posted by Dodge
700 average crowd 2 years ago ?? I don't think so..
And for our last Cup Final appearance in 2002 we brought more than 4,000 - and could've brought twice that many if we hadn't sold out our allocation.
Crowds are always relative. Hearts's 15,000 crowd looks p!ish next to Rangers 42,000 crowds, which look pish next to Celtic's 55,000 crowds, which look pish next to Man United's 78,000 crowds, which look pish next to Barcelona's 99,000 crowds.....
But no matter what way you look at it - if Pats only broguht 4,000 to a Cup Final in their own town, that would be a poor crowd full-stop. I sincerely hope and expect you to bring more though...
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
What happens on the pitch is relative :rolleyes:
im a regular at Derry v Pats in the brandywell and know what I'm talkin about, Dodge would have a few years more experience of travelling there on top of that again
we can both remember clearly filling ure collection buckets when your club was on its knees with f--all in the ground
So do I :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
I didn't claim that City were a big club, but as you mention it we did appear to have had the biggest average and individual attendance in the country last season - and probably the island. Big club ? No. But currently the biggest in Ireland if judged by attendances.Quote:
Originally Posted by forza
The fact that the Final is in Pat's home town has got nothing to do with blow-ins. It's about the fact that it couldn't be easier for your fans to get to it - so time, money and distance are not really valid excuses.
And the size of attendance at the showpiece event for Irish domestic football is of concen to anyone who has a genuine heartfelt interest in our league. Of course it is ! Myself and numerous other posters on here from teams other than Drogheda and Cork weer delighted with the large crowd at last year's final. Even if City weren't playing on Sunday, I'd still be keen for there to be a big crowd. This is the showpiece event for our league, being relayed live on TV ffs. Anyone with an interest in our league has a right to be concerned about the attendance that attracts and therefore the message it sends out.
What next - 'what concern is it of yours how any other EL team does in Europe...?' :rolleyes:
Firstly, City were relegation fodder at the time. This season, Pats have been well off the bottom, and have had a good Cup run, so the 2 eras don't compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
Secondly - 700 average my arse. Pats have never been a big draw in Derry - so I wouldn't use your once or twice a season visit to our ground to then extrapulate an average across 20+ games. I've been to St James Park to watch Newcastle play to a crowd of barely 20,000. Should that therefore be seen as their average attendance for that period....? :rolleyes:
Genuinely - thanks for the contributions at the time though. Hopefully I won't need to return the favour for Pats at any point (i.e. I hope yee's don't end-up nin the soup).
Though what all this has to do with Cup Final crwods I don't know.
Indeed. But what's your point ? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by forza
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
My point exactly I dont care how we come across on Sunday off the park once things go right on it .
I dont care how many turn up.
The result is all the matters.
Theres no spot prizes for bringing the most fans :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
and we've told you that the tickets we've sold and will sell will already greatly exceed our home gates (current and historical)
you seem to believe that the cup final being in dublin will increase our historical support level?
I find this bizarre
But I'm saying the opposite - that the crowd does matter. If we can't even attract a good crowd to our showpiece event - particularly when one of the teams playing is local - then that sends out a bad signal about our league.Quote:
Originally Posted by forza
It Pats were bringing a much bigger crowd your tune would fairly change no doubt....
Name me one team in a recent final that didn't sell tickets that greatly exceeded its average home support ??Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
Fair point about historical support base though. I guess I made the mistake of assuming Pats were a decent-sized club with a decent-size support.:o
This discussion smacks of re-arranging deckchairs on the Titanic. Is it really worth arguing the toss over who has the most bandwagon jumpers (when we all know that Cork is clearly the answer to that question ;) )
The telling statistic is that the crowd will be approximately between 30% and 50% of that willing to watch our national team play a Sunday League team on a cold, wet night a few weeks back.