Did You Ever Wonder?

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Originally Posted by monkey magic

it just annoys me that it appears acceptable in american culture to blatantedly ignore factual evidence on the basis that it does not support your viewpoint

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That very same statement can be used to argue against you - i.e, everything wasn't as it seemed to begin with. By the way, it takes a mighty big brush to tar an entire nation of 280,000,000 people, but it would seem that you have that brush.

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Originally Posted by monkey magic

he was.
and as for "that" film by oliver stone, the only FACT about it is that its complete rubish...

i dislike intensely film makers who use big budget productions and studios to turn complete fiction stories into "facts" which will inevitably be absorbed as such by that plague of a society we call america- it really is quite baffleing as to how an education system could go so wrong...

btw, im not having a go at the posters on this thread, as long as you are being objective and accurate i dont have a problem. it just annoys me that it appears acceptable in american culture to blatantedly ignore factual evidence on the basis that it does not support your viewpoint, and then to profiteer on your lies. you only have to look at the da-vinci code and the countless books on jfk to know what im talkin about.

what bugs me is that many peoples reputations and lives are ruined by conspiracy theorists, very often for no reason at all.

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Which Stone film are you talking about that was Rubbish? There's been a few. Seriously which one? JFK? Because I didn't make any reference to any movie in my assertion the credulity was stretched way beyong breaking point in asking anyone to accept the FBIs balistics reports -which someone else said the Stone movie ignored.

If you accept Warren or anything like Warren you have to accept those balistics and if you accept those you have to accept what's commonly known as "magic bullet" which involves a single bullet going left right up down slowing down and Accelerating.

For anyone utterly unfamiliar with this -you'd have to see a diagram to truly appreciate what a crock o'sh1t people were told to accept as truth.

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

For anyone utterly unfamiliar with this -you'd have to see a diagram to truly appreciate what a crock o'sh1t people were told to accept as truth.

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Diagram Here (Site gives pro's and cons of the single bullet theory)

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

read this book a few years ago and its certainly a feasable if unfortunate theory
http://www.parmaq.com/truecrime/MortalError.htm

its this book that really got me started on the kennedy thing

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Originally Posted by John83

None of that makes any sense if you assume it's a deliberate plan, unless the ancient Egyptians had time travel. If the ancient Egyptians had time travel, I'll eat my hat. I don't have a hat.

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If they had time travel, what would they be doing using the imperial system? :D

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Originally Posted by Schumi

If they had time travel, what would they be doing using the imperial system? :D

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Confusing students - the ultimate goal of all time-travelling civilisations and Pineapple Stu.

Another unsolved mystery-dandruff. What's the deal with it? Where does it come from? How do you get rid of it?

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Originally Posted by superfrank

How do you get rid of it?

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Head and Shoulders anti-dandruff shampoo:D :p.

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Head and Shoulders anti-dandruff shampoo:D :p.

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Reminds me of a joke.

This blonde one is talking to her friend. The friend said he has a bad dandruff problem but she sorted it out. The blonde says "how?". The friend said "I gave him Head and Shoulders". The blonde says "How do you give shoulders?":D

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Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie

Which Stone film are you talking about that was Rubbish? There's been a few. Seriously which one? JFK? Because I didn't make any reference to any movie in my assertion the credulity was stretched way beyong breaking point in asking anyone to accept the FBIs balistics reports -which someone else said the Stone movie ignored.

If you accept Warren or anything like Warren you have to accept those balistics and if you accept those you have to accept what's commonly known as "magic bullet" which involves a single bullet going left right up down slowing down and Accelerating.

For anyone utterly unfamiliar with this -you'd have to see a diagram to truly appreciate what a crock o'sh1t people were told to accept as truth.

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i was referring to jfk. i presume some people have seen the documentary(apologies but im not able to remember its title) which looked at the kennedy assanitation, specifically in relation to the magic bullet theory, the oliver stone film, and lee harvey oswalds communists links... it completely rubbished the first two, but left some questions unanswered about oswald... i cant remember the details but they factually proved that there was no magic bullet, and was highly crittical regarding stones dramaticisation of the events in his film jfk. nothing i have read on the matter, and ive actually read a few books on jfk, has ever came close to convincing me otherwise, primarily because of what i mentioned last nite- their failure to back up the allegatoions being made with factual evidenct.

dancinpants, while i accept what your saying, i just think that sometimes the simplest and most logical explanation is the best, and that some people have go to great lengths to bend the truth, in this case and others, very often for a book deal. as regards my pet hate of the american psyche, i think youl find my grudge is what appears acceptable in american culture and not with every living american:)

http://www.stuffucanuse.com/fake_moo...n_landings.htm

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Originally Posted by hamish

A ghost??? Probably a rational explanation for it but my mate will never forget that sound and breath on his neck.
As they say, I report, you decide.:confused:

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Just on ghosty things etc, my grannys house had an exorcism performed on it
years ago as a few months after my eldest uncle was born, she swore that she
could see hands coming out from the walls and ceiling etc trying to grab him at night :eek:

Got the local priest in and he cast out the demons etc. Dont know if it was a
young priest and an old priest or what the story was!

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Originally Posted by monkey magic

i was referring to jfk. i presume some people have seen the documentary(apologies but im not able to remember its title) which looked at the kennedy assanitation, specifically in relation to the magic bullet theory, the oliver stone film, and lee harvey oswalds communists links... it completely rubbished the first two, but left some questions unanswered about oswald... i cant remember the details but they factually proved that there was no magic bullet, and was highly crittical regarding stones dramaticisation of the events in his film jfk. nothing i have read on the matter, and ive actually read a few books on jfk, has ever came close to convincing me otherwise, primarily because of what i mentioned last nite- their failure to back up the allegatoions being made with factual evidenct.

dancinpants, while i accept what your saying, i just think that sometimes the simplest and most logical explanation is the best, and that some people have go to great lengths to bend the truth, in this case and others, very often for a book deal. as regards my pet hate of the american psyche, i think youl find my grudge is what appears acceptable in american culture and not with every living american:)

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though i pasted the warren commission link above, i was actually referring to this late 70s congressional investigation which found some evidence of conspiracy in two major american assasinations (nothing to do with stone's movie, never seen it - more don delillo's 'libra' which got me piqued re: kennedy):

"The Final Report of the House Select Committee on Assassinations presents the HSCA's findings in the murders of both President John F. Kennedy and Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. The HSCA found a "probable conspiracy" in the JFK assassination, but was unable to determine its nature or participants (other than that Oswald was still deemed to have fired all the successful shots). In the King case, the HSCA similarly found that James Earl Ray assassinated Reverend King, but that there might have been a small-scale conspiracy involved.

For many assassination researchers, the HSCA's findings suggested a 'limited hangout' of a deeper and more disturbing reality. The release of the HSCA's internal files in the 1990s has certainly provided fodder for this view, including evidence of HSCA cover-ups in the area of the medical evidence and of Oswald's intelligence connections and his mysterious trip to Mexico City."

american intelligence forecasting company stratfor has said the elephant in the room regarding oswald was his wife marina, and her uncle's KGB background, while delillo's (great) book, though fiction, posits disgruntled ex-cia operatives (over the bungled bay of pigs invasion) as the players in an 'attempted assasination' to be blamed on the cubans.. which would swing american public opinion firmly in favor of a proper invasion of the island.

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Originally Posted by Ash

Just on ghosty things etc, my grannys house had an exorcism performed on it
years ago as a few months after my eldest uncle was born, she swore that she
could see hands coming out from the walls and ceiling etc trying to grab him at night :eek:

Got the local priest in and he cast out the demons etc. Dont know if it was a
young priest and an old priest or what the story was!

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You should have got yer man from most haunted to come to your Grans house,he would have had a chat with the ghost and sorted him out.:D :p

I thought the answer was kind of obvious
http://tim.rawle.org/simpsons/songs....rame=1&song=19

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Originally Posted by Block G Raptor

Did You Ever Wonder how the pyramids were built or who really killed jfk or did neil armstrong ever really set foot on the moon?
just wanted to get peoples opionion on some of the stuff that is stilla mystery to us in the 21st century

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aliens built the pyramids.
the tv show stargate is based on true events
FACT!

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Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs

It is funny how desperate people are to belive conspiract theories despite being faced with facts

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as homer says you can use facts to prove anything even remotely true :D


i love a conspirecy theory while i think most are rubbish they could very easily be true , its just people trust people in power to tell them the truth which rarely happens .at least people are willing to question things .

one of the newest ones on the news last night was that a plane didnt hit the Pentagon on 9/11 , aparently there is no photos of a plane hitting there are some stills the US gov had to release yesterday under the freedom of info act , and it clearly shows the place blowing up with no plane anywhere insight

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Originally Posted by anto1208

one of the newest ones on the news last night was that a plane didnt hit the Pentagon on 9/11 , aparently there is no photos of a plane hitting there are some stills the US gov had to release yesterday under the freedom of info act , and it clearly shows the place blowing up with no plane anywhere insight

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it's not exactly the newest "theory" - it's been doing the rounds on the web for years. and THIS is from the fringes of lunacy i'm afraid - i know which security camera footage you're referring to and i agree it doesn't look anything at all like a plane on the right side of the frame before the explosion.. but this discounts literally hundreds of eyewitness accounts of the plane striking the building, knocked down telephone poles that the plane's wings clipped on the way in, and the clincher: where are all those passengers if there was no flight 77?? i don't buy the missle thing at all. however, there are at least two puzzling things about the pentagon strike:

- how did the most securely defended structure on the entire planet suffer such a primitive, straightforward, direct hit? i've read reports that the pentagon is armed with surface to air missles that would automatically track and shoot down anything encroaching its restricted airspace. the same report says that a manual override of this safeguard would've been necessary to allow anything to approach the building. in my mind, if true, that's a far more sinister and chilling scenario..

- where is the security camera footage from the marriot hotel and nearby petrol stations which purportedly show the plane striking the building and why hasn't that footage been released?

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Pentagon attacks
Anyones mind changed by this?
I'd imagine not.

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Originally Posted by BohsBohsBohs

When I was about 7 a neighbour across the road from our house died. On the day before the funeral I was walking by the house and a man who looked identical to him was standing at the front of the driveway and stared at me but didn't say anything. I presumed that it must have been his brother who had come to the house for the funeral, and it turned out that he had no brothers. I remember that to this day. I don't believe in ghosts as it isn't logical, but that was a very eerie experience which I can't explain.

When I was younger than that I used to see things like what is in the quoted message and transparent people approach me in my house, but I would put that down to kids imagining that they are seeing things!

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How's Bruce Willis keeping these days?.;)

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Originally Posted by ken foree

- where is the security camera footage from the marriot hotel and nearby petrol stations which purportedly show the plane striking the building and why hasn't that footage been released?

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The Fed's seized them all that day.