Odds on Troussier slashed

IMO a god bet would be George Burley (hearts) 33/1
Now im not saying hes the best manager by a long shot
But most of the names people here are mentioning dont want it
or are wasters chancing there arm
Lets not kid ourselves the top men dont want it and he would be
a smart choice given his shaking up of the old firm at the moment
The last man to do that was Mr Blue/Red nose himself

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Originally Posted by wws

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

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You're my hero. Post of the month sorted.

KOH

Maybe this site should be renamed "eLlove-in.ie" or a new one set up so the more immature folk don't start their meeeowws:D :D

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Originally Posted by wws

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

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So what exactly do you mean by Ole's. I have an idea that you are having a go at me as I have an FAI logo as my avatar. I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest So I see nothing wrong with having it. Most people seem to think that the time was up for Brian. As I said before I was fully supportive of himn right till the end and I think I gave him more backign that I have gave any other Ireland manager, but emotionally and financially through trips etc. However the most a manager can ask for is that he is judged on results and for me and many many others the results did not stand up. The ten men of the Fai were not the only ones who have agreed that he should go. Lots of ex professionals and fans have agreed with the decision. I woud think there is a minority out there that would have supported that Kerr stays on. The fact is we have not beaten an average or top team since he has taken over in a game that mattered. Its got nothing to do with Ole Ole supporters or not. You are trying to turn this is argument on its head by suggesting that the "real" supporters wanted Kerr to stay and the guys that just want a **** up wanted him out and want any Tom Dick and Harrty 2nd Rate Premeirship manager to take his place.

The reality is rather different. Brian Kerr lost his position due to the fact that the performances and the results have not been good in the 18 competitive games he has taken charge. In addition they have got worse so there was no sign that things would get better. I missed 2 games in the last campaign and have travelled to a few away friendlies also. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as there are many more supporters who have gone to every game etc. However I would not catergorise myself as and Ole Ole supporter. By the way my definition of and Ole Ole supporter is someone who comes out and World Cup times and only watches Ireland play then. I would like to know what your definitino of and Ole Ole Supporter is. Also if you cant have a debate on the issues concerned rather than personalising it or having a go at someone well I will leave it up to others how to view your posts.

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oh god.....leaving aside figure of speech exaggeration Duff hasnt strung two good games back to back for ireland - and doesnt play to his chelsea level for us

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He does and thats the problem. I was probably the first person to say this on this forum but Mourinho is turning him into a different player and a player I don't like. I used to love watching Duff and would really get excited when Chelsea were playing. Now I couldn't care less. I seen this comment on another forum and it sums it up really:

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You have the attacking winger on the left with Arjen Robben, a defensive winger on the right in Damien Duff with Frank Lampard being the attacking mid conjuring attacks with Makalele as the workforce in the defensive mid position.

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Anyway, Duff has been fantastic for us in most games. He was always getting man of the match up until around the game in Paris. He set 5 of our goals up in the first 5 qualifying matches.

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Originally Posted by wws

for a start he was the manager of the best team in europe. Saint Pats...after that its hard to find a similar profile gig.

definite dividing line between the Olés and the rest on here

I get the impression most of the Olés would get a milk bottle down their pants if someone even remotely connected with England gets the job.

hint: they use "fai" logos as avatars :D :D

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That is the best post ever on here, never mind post of the month :D

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

So what exactly do you mean by Ole's.

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IMO an Ole Ole-er is probably in same league as barstooler. Whereas a barstoller would be football wise from so much watching on TV an Ole Ole-er would have little football knowledge & usually just appear for World Cups or big qualifiers.

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I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest

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The Irish national team is my team too. I don't like the crest & in any event I don't bother using an avatar. But I don't see anything wrong with supporting Ireland over a domestic club so I share your disdain at the remark directed at you and others.

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So what exactly do you mean by Ole's. I have an idea that you are having a go at me as I have an FAI logo as my avatar. I support the Ireland football team and this is their crest So I see nothing wrong with having it. Most people seem to think that the time was up for Brian. As I said before I was fully supportive of himn right till the end and I think I gave him more backign that I have gave any other Ireland manager, but emotionally and financially through trips etc. However the most a manager can ask for is that he is judged on results and for me and many many others the results did not stand up. The ten men of the Fai were not the only ones who have agreed that he should go. Lots of ex professionals and fans have agreed with the decision. I woud think there is a minority out there that would have supported that Kerr stays on. The fact is we have not beaten an average or top team since he has taken over in a game that mattered. Its got nothing to do with Ole Ole supporters or not. You are trying to turn this is argument on its head by suggesting that the "real" supporters wanted Kerr to stay and the guys that just want a **** up wanted him out and want any Tom Dick and Harrty 2nd Rate Premeirship manager to take his place.

The reality is rather different. Brian Kerr lost his position due to the fact that the performances and the results have not been good in the 18 competitive games he has taken charge. In addition they have got worse so there was no sign that things would get better. I missed 2 games in the last campaign and have travelled to a few away friendlies also. I am not putting myself on a pedestal as there are many more supporters who have gone to every game etc. However I would not catergorise myself as and Ole Ole supporter. By the way my definition of and Ole Ole supporter is someone who comes out and World Cup times and only watches Ireland play then. I would like to know what your definitino of and Ole Ole Supporter is. Also if you cant have a debate on the issues concerned rather than personalising it or having a go at someone well I will leave it up to others how to view your posts.

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He lost one competitive game in point of fact in this campaign. When Delaneys man loses a game will you than call for his head on a plate to remain consistent??? The only opinion poll I've seen on the issuse says the overwhelming majority of the public wanted him to stay on for another go. The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.

These days the crowd is split between corporate seat takers that only go because they got the tickets for free and the other fans that support a Scottish team so they can boo any player that ever played for that other Scottish team.

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The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.

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It's not the fact for me that Kerr only lost one game in qualifying, it's the fact that we looked utter sh!te in the final 4-5 games. The players should have been bustin their nuts in the last 2 games but instead we got a "steady steady" attitude which no doubt emulated from the manager.

FFS the Swiss game was a joke. A game we had to win and a game where any manager worth his salt would gamble, Kerr does like for like substitutions including taking off our record goalscorer (sh!te or not) for unproven talent with 30 minutes to go:eek: :confused: . Why didn't he go with an extra man up front?? Because he was out of his depth if you ask me and when it came to making the big decisions he couldn't stomach it and went for safety first.

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Originally Posted by wws

He lost one competitive game in point of fact in this campaign. When Delaneys man loses a game will you than call for his head on a plate to remain consistent??? The only opinion poll I've seen on the issuse says the overwhelming majority of the public wanted him to stay on for another go. The idea that the results were bad just doesnt hold water with the history of Irish football. The sense of perspective has most definitely been lost. The sense of the rational has been lost. A lot of what are now Ireland fans have a very inflated opinion of our international football standing with no basis in fact. In many ways they ape the England national team fans who overestimate their own side. I'm under no illusions about the paucity of genuine talent and guile in this current squad of players. A lot of other people are. We've no divine right to qualify and we missed out in the tightest group of them all. Even the hero of the Olés went fishing after Irelands last game in the euroo 88 qualifiers cos he reckoned theyd no chance of qualifying - if it wasnt for an upset in sofia and gary mackay they wouldnt have made it - thats teh diff - no great tactics - no big idea - just plain old fashioned luck.


In reply to another poster here - Robbie Keane has been a disgrace in the last three internationals - the "always a chance he might do something" looks more and more pathetic with every game.

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Well I can be only as fair as this. If the next manager after 2 campaigns finishes 3rd and 4th well then I would think that he should go. If however we only lose one game and win many others and we qualify I would keep him on. The statistic of onlyl losing one game is good if the other games are filled with wins however only losing one game while drawing 7 others is not so good.

I would also like to thank Stuttgart who is one of the people on here who can put up a point without making it personal or having a go at the poster. Some of the personal stuff on this shows a lack of intellect and an abilty to argue a point properly. I dont understand who you could have go at me purely on the basis of my avater and you put me down as on Ole Supporter. Yet you have not backed this up with any sort of facts. In addition a few people have said this was post of the month or whatever. In my view post of the month would go to someone like Stuttgart 88 or Eirebhoy who clearly research their facts and dont let personal issues get in the way of their arguments.

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Originally Posted by pete

IMO an Ole Ole-er is probably in same league as barstooler. Whereas a barstoller would be football wise from so much watching on TV an Ole Ole-er would have little football knowledge & usually just appear for World Cups or big qualifiers.

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So therefore I do not fall into this category in anyway.

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I would also like to thank Stuttgart who is one of the people on here who can put up a point without making it personal or having a go at the poster. Some of the personal stuff on this shows a lack of intellect and an abilty to argue a point properly. I dont understand who you could have go at me purely on the basis of my avater and you put me down as on Ole Supporter. Yet you have not backed this up with any sort of facts. In addition a few people have said this was post of the month or whatever. In my view post of the month would go to someone like Stuttgart 88 or Eirebhoy who clearly research their facts and dont let personal issues get in the way of their arguments.

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I think Neill would be the first to admit that we dont always see eye to eye on footballing matters (particulary english football) but at this time I also want to throw my support behind him. Over the time I've been on foot.ie Neill is anything but a Ole Ole-er (closet manc maybe!!! :) ;) :) ). His arguments are consistant, well thought out and articulate

As a holder of a similar avatar based on the fact that I don't support a EL club, i concur with the other posters opinion on the Ole Ole remarks. Some of these wide of the mark views taint my overall view & genuine regard in which I hold many EL supporters. Those fans who can display a degree of understanding of individulaism of others generally are absent on foot.ie or are lurking somewhere in cyber space.

I'm all for healthy heated intelligent debates.....personal attacks and unwillingness to further discuss previous comments are the first sign of weakness in debate.

Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument. We come from different football perspectives and totally different perspectives of what that logo stands for and represents. I used to use a Linfield logo on here myself (in jest) so I'm not gonna hammer on about it as its a small point in the overall scheme of things. As for the poster above waffling on about EL fans as if we were some sub section of things....newsflash....we ARE football in this country, you lot are just playing at being football fans. I can never take some five match a season Ireland fan seriously. That's just me. To be honest the fai logo/olérs make me sick. Oh and Brian Kerr had one campaign as Ireland boss not two. The same sh.t players had already ensured non qualification with defeats in russia and v the swiss before he got the job.

Lost one competitive game. Players werent good enough. I would have given him one more campaign on the basis that McCarthy was rewarded which ended up working despite horrible beginnings as he learned on the job.

I was down in Waterford on Friday for a relegation battle involving my club pats against waterford united - our very survival was on the line - with them 1 up it looked extremely bad - I cant describe the feelings of elation at the end when we equalised with a brilliant goal by Robbie Doyle - the Premier survival of our club was at stake, possibly its financial survival too - compared to missing a holiday in Germany for the world cup - it simply doesnt compare. We are coming from two very different places - and each looks on the other with disdain. I've no problem with that because once you've been involved in the emotional trauma of real football is hard to take the carlsberg hat version as seriously as some have taken non qualification for a tournamant we were not good enough for.

Give yourself a pat on the back because you support your team, oh you really are special.:rolleyes:

You're judging someone because of their avater!!!???:rolleyes: :confused: :D I don't really need to say any more as you're ignorant laughable posts say it all.....

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Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument.

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What about ex-pats or 2g fans who have no connection to the eirom League but still follow the national side (e.g. all who went to Paris, but not from Ireland)? For me using the FAI logo as an avatar shows their allegiance. What logo should they use?

Back on topic, Morocco are supposed to have approached Troussier, hard to call which one he would be more interested in, seeing as how he did make a genuine effort to take the job the last time it was available. Has he ever worked with any Moroccan players at club level before?

Olé Olé Olé Olé

why dont ya buy a wolfe tones tape and do us all a favour

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Back on topic, Morocco are supposed to have approached Troussier, hard to call which one he would be more interested in, seeing as how he did make a genuine effort to take the job the last time it was available. Has he ever worked with any Moroccan players at club level before?

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I heard on the radio this morning that he is in "advanced negotiations" with Morocco now..

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Well anyone who uses an FAI corporate logo without a hint of irony is coming from a different place from this football fan. Not up for argument. We come from different football perspectives and totally different perspectives of what that logo stands for and represents. I used to use a Linfield logo on here myself (in jest) so I'm not gonna hammer on about it as its a small point in the overall scheme of things. As for the poster above waffling on about EL fans as if we were some sub section of things....newsflash....we ARE football in this country, you lot are just playing at being football fans. I can never take some five match a season Ireland fan seriously. That's just me. To be honest the fai logo/olérs make me sick. Oh and Brian Kerr had one campaign as Ireland boss not two. The same sh.t players had already ensured non qualification with defeats in russia and v the swiss before he got the job.

Lost one competitive game. Players werent good enough. I would have given him one more campaign on the basis that McCarthy was rewarded which ended up working despite horrible beginnings as he learned on the job.

I was down in Waterford on Friday for a relegation battle involving my club pats against waterford united - our very survival was on the line - with them 1 up it looked extremely bad - I cant describe the feelings of elation at the end when we equalised with a brilliant goal by Robbie Doyle - the Premier survival of our club was at stake, possibly its financial survival too - compared to missing a holiday in Germany for the world cup - it simply doesnt compare. We are coming from two very different places - and each looks on the other with disdain. I've no problem with that because once you've been involved in the emotional trauma of real football is hard to take the carlsberg hat version as seriously as some have taken non qualification for a tournamant we were not good enough for.

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WWS, if I went in to the St Pats section of foot.ie and started pontificating about St. Pats, I would be rightly told to fcuk off. This is the National Team Section of foot.ie where we are debating the manager of the Irish team. I am as much of a supporter of this team as you are and as many of the people of post on it. I do not support the LOI as much as you for various reasons but the main one is that I grew up in Clare and as a result did not build an allegiance to a team. It would be fake to me now to just pick a team from the sky in the LOI to support. I do go to a few of the games during a season but I do not feel passionate about it as I do about the Irish National team. This section of the forum is for Supporter of the Irish football to debate issues etc. Your club allegiances has nothing to do with it and should be kept out of here. Also you are showing your lack of intellect and manners by consistantly having personal attacks on people.