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21/07/2020, 7:28 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

By your theory, Scanlon has only got the job because the FAI are broke. That's probably the case, to be fair. So what should we expect from him in the role then?

Who knows? Just because he's an internal promotion doesn't mean he's not up to the job.

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

He's in a position he wouldn't be near if the FAI could have gone out and hired someone suitably qualified

You're back to saying things that you simply don't know if they're true or not now.

Why would he not be near the job if external candidates were invited? You still haven't really answered that one.

And that's the crux of the whole thing - you've very strong opinions on something that you don't seem to know anything about. I don't know much about it either, but I'm not going on about how unsuitable he is (and then asking what he's supposed to be doing anyway)

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

Yeah, and sure when the next fella comes along after Scanlon disappears, nobody will ask either where's Scanlon. Isn't that the problem? People come and go and nothing changes in the FAI regarding the league.

Why are you still trying to judge a person's suitability for the job based on completely different people? Do you not see that that makes no sense?
21/07/2020, 7:43 PM
The Lilywhites

Did you go to UCD or do you just support the team? Things don't seem to get through to you. You were like this on a previous thread too.

Clearly my idea of what the LOI Director should be and what you think he should be are two completely different things!
21/07/2020, 8:19 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

Things don't seem to get through to you.

What doesn't get through to me?

You haven't made a single valid point as far as I can see.

You've said you don't think a person is up to their new job based on, among other things, how other people did at other jobs, and that he's an internal candidate and therefore can't be up to the job. Yet you don't know what the job is or what their experience is.

People who disagree with you are either obviously biased or else you resort to random insults.

You're not really making a strong case for your view here. Do you want to start again?
21/07/2020, 8:19 PM
RathfarnhamHoop

What you need to know to decide if someones qualified for a job:

The jobs responsibilities
Their experience
Their responsibilities in previous employment
Their education
Their personality

What Lilywhites doesn't know about Scanlon:
His new jobs responsibilities
His experience
His previous jobs responsibilities
What his degree taught him
Anything about him really

What lilywhite does know:
He's a rovers fan
New job title
Old job title

I mean do I really need to say the logical conclusion to all that?
21/07/2020, 9:43 PM
The Lilywhites

So you're both happy with Scanlon's appointment, based on him having a degree (most of which has nothing to do with this role) and his work in third level football.

Fair enough. Real LOI mentality there. Sure it'll be grand.

By the way Stu, you'd know about throwing insults and resorting to bad language.
21/07/2020, 9:47 PM
pineapple stu

Where did I say I was happy with his appointment?

Are you making stuff up again? It really doesn't help your argument.

I've explicitly said I don't know enough to form an opinion on him. You seem to know even less but have a very strong opinion for some reason.

And your last part then descends into random insults again.
21/07/2020, 9:51 PM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Where did I say I was happy with his appointment?

Are you making stuff up again? It really doesn't help your argument.

I've explicitly said I don't know enough to form an opinion on him.

And your last part then descends into random insults again.

You appear quite happy with his appointment, and the process in appointing him, based on what you said.

You're the one calling someone a f**kwit on the forum.
21/07/2020, 10:06 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

You appear quite happy with his appointment, and the process in appointing him, based on what you said.

You're not reading what I'm posting so.

I don't know anything about the guy or how he was appointed so can't form an opinion. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that.

All I'm doing is arguing against your view. It doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and you've nothing solid to back it up it seems.

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

You're the one calling someone a f**kwit on the forum.

In 30k posts over 20 years here, I probably did call someone a ****wit once. Probably because they were a ****wit. Not sure how it helps your argument that Scanlon isn't up to the job though?
21/07/2020, 10:21 PM
Eminence Grise

Jeez, the way you hold grudges TL, I'm beginning to wonder if you were interviewed for the job. It takes some doing to make Rathfarnham Hoop come aross as the reasonable one, but he's ****ing Ant�nio Guterres in comparison to you.
21/07/2020, 10:34 PM
nigel-harps1954

I'd just like to know what qualifications are expected from the ideal candidate?
21/07/2020, 10:36 PM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by Eminence Grise

Jeez, the way you hold grudges TL, I'm beginning to wonder if you were interviewed for the job. It takes some doing to make Rathfarnham Hoop come aross as the reasonable one, but he's ****ing Ant�nio Guterres in comparison to you.

That's impossible sure. Scanlon was the only one that applied for it.
21/07/2020, 10:47 PM
Eminence Grise
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Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I'd just like to know what qualifications are expected from the ideal candidate?

Psychiatry.:rolleyes:

If he did the UCD MSc in Sports Management (or anything similar), he'd have covered something along the lines of
- Sport Governance & Law
- Sport Leadership & People Management
- Strategy & Operations Management in Sport
- Sports Marketing
- The Management of High Performance Sport
- Sport Event Management & Communications
- Research Dissertation
(https://sisweb.ucd.ie/usis/!W_HU_MEN...PROG&MAJR=X762)

which would be a useful starting point.
22/07/2020, 1:27 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Undoubtedly people will think it no matter how impartial he is, even if he does the old home town ref thing where he is harder on his club to prove impartiality. Hopefully there wont be any polar opposite issues that are for or against SRFC. It should on balance be a good thing in having a fan of the league on board and it not seen by him as some poison chalice or FAI style punishment role.

I don't know what we want, somebody who cares about the league, which pretty much means they're guaranteed to support a team, or someone from outside who doesn't care. All the refs in the league support a LOI team and we don't (usually) question their impartiality. There are players who support one team and play for their bitterest rivals but they still do their job. Just accept that guys will support teams and hope they've been appointed based on their competence. JD supported Waterford ffs, fat lot of good it did them.
22/07/2020, 1:35 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

Same job? You can't compare schools / third level to what he's taking on here. What exactly did he do for those? Was it not just organising competitions/logistics?

Sports Management degree hardly qualifies him for the role, come on now.

How many people in Ireland have experience of running a professional sports league? I'm not batting for the guy, I don't know him, but I do think there's necessarily a bit of a leap of faith going on with any applicant here unless we can afford to parachute in foreigners with a track record.
22/07/2020, 1:47 AM
Charlie Darwin

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

Why was this position separated from Fran Gavin's role. Gavin remains as Competitions Director. Was it a case of taking the heat off Gavin and throwing "LOI Director" to Scanlon?

I suspect Gavin is an employee so can't be laid off as easily as a contract worker would be. Scanlon is also an employee so can be promoted to take over Gavin's remit but has to be given a different description because Gavin is still there. The FAI is a bizarre organisation.
22/07/2020, 7:51 AM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by The Lilywhites

That's impossible sure. Scanlon was the only one that applied for it.

WeAreRovers has linked to the Indo (albeit behind paywall) to show there were three applicants.

You've said a number of times now that there was only one applicant, but haven't said where you're getting that info from.
22/07/2020, 8:15 AM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

WeAreRovers has linked to the Indo (albeit behind paywall) to show there were three applicants.

You've said a number of times now that there was only one applicant, but haven't said where you're getting that info from.

Yeah, I wonder who's feeding Dan McDonnell...

You clearly don't read anything, you just repeat your nonsense post after post. You're either on the wind up or completely thick. I said above where it was from.
22/07/2020, 8:19 AM
pineapple stu

Dan McDonnell, the Dundalk fan, who now has a Rovers bias, yeah?

Tell us - who is feeding him? Or are you just making stuff up again?

It's not a remotely acceptable argument to throw out an accusation, dismiss actual evidence to the contrary as nonsense, and then accuse people as thick because they don't agree with you when you (a) provide no evidence at all to back your case up and (b) have lots of people actively showing your argument to be wrong.
22/07/2020, 8:44 AM
The Lilywhites

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Dan McDonnell, the Dundalk fan, who now has a Rovers bias, yeah?

Tell us - who is feeding him? Or are you just making stuff up again?

It's not a remotely acceptable argument to throw out an accusation, dismiss actual evidence to the contrary as nonsense, and then accuse people as thick because they don't agree with you when you (a) provide no evidence at all to back your case up and (b) have lots of people actively showing your argument to be wrong.

It's a long time since Dan McDonnell showed anything of being a Dundalk fan, but where did I mention Rovers bias? You're making up stuff.

You're clearly too thick to realise how these things work.

You and RH are the ones getting hung up on the fact that Scanlon is a Rovers man.

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It's far too important a role to just give to a sole applicant. I don't know Mark Scanlon or his qualities and he may end up being the best for the job but surely he should at least have competition to ensure this.

https://twitter.com/jamesdundalk/sta...560437760?s=21
22/07/2020, 8:54 AM
RathfarnhamHoop

"if it's true that only one person has put their name forward for the LOI Director's position"

I'll translate for you and I'll keep it nice and simple for you.
He doesn't know how many people applied. He's basing it off a rumour that there was only one applicant.

Those tweets were also sent before anything was announced so was all based off rumours and Dan McDonnells article came after and set out the facts

https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...458137600?s=20

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