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22/02/2017, 9:37 PM
Martinho II

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Originally Posted by oriel

This might not be correct thread but I can't find one closer. Can any Pats fans shed some light on the chap Christy McElliot, ex player, he's the guy on Operation Transformation, he lost his leg in an accident over 10 years ago. He said on the show a few weeks back that he won a league title with Pats, he didn't say the year but I'd be guessing due to his own age (47) that he was referring to 95/96.

I can't remember him playing at all and his name doesn't ring a bell, did he only play a few games, or was he mostly used as a sub or maybe joined late in that league winning season ?

that name rings a bell all right with me. I have a feeling that he played for them in 1990! dodge I am sure would be happy to confirm this!
23/02/2017, 8:24 PM
Dodge

He was a bit part player in 95/96 but for a few years before that he played regularly enough

Mostly remembered by Pats fans for going in goal after Gareth Byrne was sent off in a home game with Athlone. We went on to win 3-2 and won the league that year
08/04/2017, 1:03 AM
DannyInvincible

A 14-minute video segment of a 20-year-old RT� production presented by Ryle Nugent called the Grip with features on Derry (exploring some of the clubs history since joining the League of Ireland) and St. Pat's: https://www.facebook.com/JJIFL/videos/1147877112001090/
09/04/2017, 7:02 PM
Partizan

I remember reading somewhere that Cork Celtic never dissolved and that some bloke had the legal deeds to the Club. There was also talk of a resurrection of Cork Celtic in the mid 80s.

Can anyone shed some light on the story?
10/04/2017, 3:00 PM
EatYerGreens

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

A 14-minute video segment of a 20-year-old RT� production presented by Ryle Nugent called the Grip with features on Derry (exploring some of the clubs history since joining the League of Ireland) and St. Pat's: https://www.facebook.com/JJIFL/videos/1147877112001090/

A major faux pas at the very start of that video by claiming that Derry are the only club to have played in the northern and southern leagues.

They're the 3rd such club in actual fact.
10/04/2017, 5:33 PM
DannyInvincible

Which clubs are you thinking about? West Ham and Alton United (both of west Belfast's Falls District League)? I know they were affiliated with the FAI for a spell after the FAI were established and post-partition, but I assume they played under the IFA's jurisdiction thereafter.

According to this, there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period. No mention of their names but I would guess they eventually ended up playing under the auspices of the IFA too. Maybe not...
10/04/2017, 7:57 PM
El-Pietro

Bohs and Shels pre split anyway.
10/04/2017, 9:59 PM
RathfarnhamHoop

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Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

A major faux pas at the very start of that video by claiming that Derry are the only club to have played in the northern and southern leagues.

They're the 3rd such club in actual fact.

I guess the technicality would be that i think the league was technically for the whole island just it was dominated by teams from the North when Bohs and Shels were in it.
11/04/2017, 9:21 AM
Comic Book Guy

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Which clubs are you thinking about? West Ham and Alton United (both of west Belfast's Falls District League)? I know they were affiliated with the FAI for a spell after the FAI were established and post-partition, but I assume they played under the IFA's jurisdiction thereafter.

According to this, there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period. No mention of their names but I would guess they eventually ended up playing under the auspices of the IFA too. Maybe not...

That's a great read, it would seem that the IFA did make attempts to bring both associations together, that seems to go against the perceived notion that they were completely beligerent pre and post the spilt.
11/04/2017, 12:36 PM
stann

Bohs and Shels I'd say EatYerGreens meant, as El-P says.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

According to this, there were other clubs from Derry and Downpatrick that affiliated with the FAI during the same period.

Danny, have you got that book, as a matter of interest? Copped something in it a while back, and I've been waiting since for someone on here to mention it.
If you have, have a good look at the preface, see if you notice anything odd.
Harmless banter or a bit of payback, I wonder? :cool:
11/04/2017, 12:53 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by stann

Danny, have you got that book, as a matter of interest? Copped something in it a while back, and I've been waiting since for someone on here to mention it.
If you have, have a good look at the preface, see if you notice anything odd.
Harmless banter or a bit of payback, I wonder? :cool:

Nah, I don't have the physical book unfortunately. I just happened to stumble across the preview version online once after doing a Google search whilst trying to find some footballing info from the period around partition. You've captured my curiosity though!
11/04/2017, 1:25 PM
RathfarnhamHoop

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Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy

That's a great read, it would seem that the IFA did make attempts to bring both associations together, that seems to go against the perceived notion that they were completely beligerent pre and post the spilt.

Published by the Ulster Historical society so I'd take the way it comes across with a pinch of salt.
11/04/2017, 2:08 PM
stann

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Nah, I don't have the physical book unfortunately. I just happened to stumble across the preview version online once after doing a Google search whilst trying to find some footballing info from the period around partition. You've captured my curiosity though!

No worries, it's actually there in the link you provided as well.
Have a look at the preface page, see if anything leaps out at you. I won't spoil it just yet, although it's not exactly Enigma!
11/04/2017, 2:22 PM
DannyInvincible

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Originally Posted by stann

No worries, it's actually there in the link you provided as well.
Have a look at the preface page, see if anything leaps out at you. I won't spoil it just yet, although it's not exactly Enigma!

I hadn't actually read the preface before, but I get the impression it's also a poem...

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps6caek4l8.png

Are you referring to Garnham's use of the word "memorial", as if to suggest Irish football is dead?
11/04/2017, 2:29 PM
stann

No no, different tack altogether.

You'd be thinking why would a football book preface be in the form of a poem at all? And the last line, the last line...

:D
11/04/2017, 3:31 PM
pineapple stu

Mangan?
11/04/2017, 3:51 PM
stann

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Mangan?

Bingo!
Doesn't like him, apparently, whoever he is. :D
Isn't that mad though? Couldn't believe it when I copped it first. Like something out of an Alfred Hitchcock Three Investigators story, it was.
Funny though, I love that's there still room for things like this. :D
11/04/2017, 4:01 PM
Philosophizer

Fellow author perhaps? J.A Mangan - Sport in Europe: Politics, Class, Gender

https://www.amazon.com/Sport-Europe-.../dp/0714680052

Does he cite this book in the bibliography?
11/04/2017, 4:03 PM
DannyInvincible

James Anthony Mangan is a distinguished sports history scholar; is that who Stu is referring to? I'm still totally lost though. What's the connection in the last line to Mangan?
11/04/2017, 4:06 PM
stann

Ensure, if only initially, you capture its meaning.

The prose is worded very oddly, even for a poem, but have a look at the initial letter in each line of the preface, write them out even.
As I say, it's not NSA-level stuff, probably only an in-joke, but it's still a pretty mad thing to find in a published book. :D

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