Long ball or not? Quality of football

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Originally Posted by Galway Harps

I think almost every fan of a club would agree that they'd rather see their team win than play attractive football. But overall the league could do with a bigger emphasis on passing/attractive/attacking football. I love the league but I can't say that it's often good to watch if you're not involved in it.

eL matches on TV and live are often of a very poor quality and even Shels' best performances in Europe were often tempered by their inability to pass the ball and poor technical ability. I was at a Serie C cup match in Italy this summer and everything about the match, stadium and occasion were so many lightyears ahead of the eL it's unreal. As a neutral I was sucked into the game in Italy in exactly the way I suspect that neutral people usually aren't in Ireland. I've brought friends to both premier and first division matches and they've been totally unimpressed more often than not.

Whatever about European results, football in Ireland isn't that good to watch most of the time and that's the major problem. In this day and age people have plenty of options for entertainment and the sad fact is that the eL isn't competing successfully. Summer soccer, the ten team league etc.- they're just casting about for quick answers. We need to gradually improve the quality of football, stadiums and facilities in the league and then the crowds will come. The U21 league was a step in the right direction and UEFA licencing should help on the latter 2 fronts, but a change in philosophy from that of winning to that of improving players is what is in my view needed to help improve the eL and Irish football in general.

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yes thank god some one else can see what im saying well done man at least one or 2 have a well rounded view of football in this country , rather than sticking there heads in the sand thinking we have a league capible of challenging for any thing in europe

[QUOTE=Conor74]Not sure what team you are referring to, but I prefer watching quality football on balmy summer evenings, hence I go to Cork City games.
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha you are joking , im not sure which is more ludicrus "quality football and cork city" or balmy summer evenings !! where do you live coz we did nt have any balmy summer evening this year

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Originally Posted by anto1208

rather than sticking there heads in the sand thinking we have a league capible of challenging for any thing in europe

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Give me one example of where somebody says this?

im not too sure what you are saying there of coarse if you take out all the good teams you will be left with rubbish . but still the facts are there, those milans and utds do contest every year in europe and if irish teams want to contest as well they must get as good ,which is what i want to see .
how is that a bad thing ?

i dont watch many championship games because they are rubbish the standard of football is rubbish as you say , i am also just as sick of watching el because the standard is worse than that of the championship ,

many fans feel the same way this is why attendences are dropping and you are more likely to see a utd or liverpool fan in ireland than a cork city fan

this i feel is a bad thing !!

you wont watch eng div 1 games because its rubbish but you will watch teams worse than them play worse . that makes no sence


we consently produce class footballers from this country but the only reason they get that good is because they are in england playing at a higher standard . now if the standard here was raised a lot more players could stay here and play in the el .which would allow us to be able to pick a national side with players from the el not just the odd token gesture to one or 2

i cant see how wanting to improve the league is such a bad thing to ye .

i dont think its good enough i dont think we should accept it just because they play rubbish football in the championship i really dont care what they play there

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Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Give me one example of where somebody says this?

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this season we proved that our champions were better than iceland and croatia, and a decent match for a french and spanish team. We also proved that our 2nd best team was good enough to beat a team thats just won the swedish league, a mid-table dutch side, and gave a good account of themselves to a decent french team.


above find a example of some body claiming that our champions were a decent match for a french and spanish team , i presume the spanish team is deportivo who are in the champs league yet again ! shels are nt

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:D . I'd love to see City be as good as the Milans and Uniteds, but for the time being I'll remain in the real world.

The suggestion that people follow Liverpool or ManU becuase of quality of football is nonsense. Has the average 8 year old kid with a ManU top formed an opinion of the quality of football played at Turner's Cross and compared and contrasted that with the style used across the water? That's just hilarious. The average kid takes up following a foreign team because his friends follow them, or his family, or that was the schoolbag his parents bought him. Quality is an irrelevancy, do last years Arsenal fans start following Chelsea this year?

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kids will follow the team thats winning the most thats why kids from the 80's are mainly liverpool fans from the 90's are mainly utd fans and by 2010 it will be chelsea .

so if they dont understand good football why are nt they up watching cork instead of watching utd ?

why you brought up kids i dont know i was talking about adults being utd or liverpool fans instead of cork or shels fans . if utd and cork are on at the same time who has more people from cork watching them ? utd of course

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Originally Posted by Conor74

which is completely different to



Do you not get it? Saying we can match a French or Spanish team in a given match is not the same as saying we can challenge for everything.

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oh my god this is what ive been saying all the time .
i said that the league isnt at a high enough standard to match teams in europe and i was shot down by loads saying coz they got a result against depor that they were as good as them .then it went into people trying to tell me that greece are better than france england portugal etc

premiership is just a more exiting league perfect example would be utd arsnil game just gone , it was a class game but the football was nt all that good . were as in real barca the football is really good but it would put you to sleep whatching it .

plus its the closest league to us the teams are reported on in the papers tv radio here a lot more than the spanish league so most people with any interest would know most teams most players in the prem which makes for a more enjoyable watching experience , you dont need hype

most people could name practically all the players in the prem off the tops of there head at least 5 from each team , i know i could nt get more than 20 from the spanish league and most of them would be real and barca

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Originally Posted by Conor74

No, we don't agree at all I'm afraid.

I think the league is at a high enough standard to enable us challenge teams. That is borne out by last season's results. Noone is arguing the point you say is being made ie. noone is suggesting that any Irish team could challenge for anything at any time. Just that on an match by match basis, an Irish team can contend with lots of opposition in Europe.

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how is it high enough when our champs did nt get into the champs league .
challenging other rubbish teams is no good

ye are completely missing what im saying

class game to watch because of the atmosphere the tension etc etc im sure i dont have to explain why it was good .

but the football was crap : the football was nt generally that good arsnil never took it down and attacked utd really it was a scrappy encounter so it was nt enjoyed for the silky skill s but more the occation

ok the football played was a bad standard for those 2 teams it was still miles better than anything ever played in the el .that was just one game every other week utd and arsnil play with style and skill that would beat every team in ireland .


the atmosphere statement was about the atmosphere between the too teams ( players ) the hostility .since ive to spell every thing out to you

i said nothing about the crowd this was you reading what i write and and coming up with some thing completly different yet again ,

ill try to write as simply as i can

el is not at a high enough standard to allow our teams to compete in competitions in europe

if the standard was raised they could compete with the other teams that DO compete every year

you cant judge a team from a once off game eg if limerick beat real madrid in a once off this does nt mean limerick are better than them .

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Originally Posted by Conor74

:D :D

You're going way off the Richter Scale there anto. Wtf is the 'atmosphere between the teams'? When someone refers to atmosephere at a game in this part of the world, it means the crowd reaction. And even if I accept your attempt to rehash the English language, when did kicking lumps out of each other amount to a 'good atmosphere between the teams'. So you like football with lots of hostility and little skill? I can see why you wouldn't go to Cork City games now, not enough blood and guts for your taste maybe?

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a poor attempt to wind me up .very poor .
atmosphere between the teams: hostility between the teams
i like football with lots of passion & lots of skill this cant be found in the el .

if you can name one team that could compete with the top clubs in europe ill give up and say you ve won

Anto is either on a wind up or a fool who keeps changing his story about why he hates the EL.

"Sure the qualitys rubbish, and that's all that matters"
"sure quality doesn't matter, Real V Barca is rubbish, I want the passion of the premiership!"

I wouldn't waste your time with it if I was you, Conor

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Originally Posted by Éanna

this season we proved that our champions were better than iceland and croatia, and a decent match for a french and spanish team. We also proved that our 2nd best team was good enough to beat a team thats just won the swedish league, a mid-table dutch side, and gave a good account of themselves to a decent french team.

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Are they better? Shels scraped through on away goals against the champions of Iceland. The only reason that Shels and Cork won their European games, was because of summer football, and the fitness advantage it gave our clubs over their opponents, as shown by Shels' many late goals. You don't think our clubs would win their games, if the league started in September like other countries, do you? If you do, remember how Lille ran rings round Shels in Europe, except for the last 10 minutes in Lansdowne.

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Originally Posted by Slash/ED

Anto is either on a wind up or a fool who keeps changing his story about why he hates the EL.

"Sure the qualitys rubbish, and that's all that matters"
"sure quality doesn't matter, Real V Barca is rubbish, I want the passion of the premiership!"

I wouldn't waste your time with it if I was you, Conor

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i dont hate the el i just think it would be better if the team were able to compete with teams all across europe , why is that so bad ?

when you use these "" it means you are quoting them if you are quoting some one you have to use sentances they actually said not pick and choose words to stick together .

all i said was i thought the arsnil utd game was exciting game to watch which it was and the last time i saw real and barca it was nt an exciting game to watch .

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Originally Posted by mypost

Are they better? Shels scraped through on away goals against the champions of Iceland. The only reason that Shels and Cork won their European games, was because of summer football, and the fitness advantage it gave our clubs over their opponents, as shown by Shels' many late goals. You don't think our clubs would win their games, if the league started in September like other countries, do you? If you do, remember how Lille ran rings round Shels in Europe, except for the last 10 minutes in Lansdowne.

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Every team Shels played had started their season by the time Shels played them.

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Originally Posted by anto1208

it was a class game but the football was nt all that good

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you've just contradicted yourself AGAIN! :eek: How do you KNOW eircon League games are ALL boring? You don't. You're basing it on what YOU see only.

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Originally Posted by mypost

Are they better? Shels scraped through on away goals against the champions of Iceland. The only reason that Shels and Cork won their European games, was because of summer football, and the fitness advantage it gave our clubs over their opponents, as shown by Shels' many late goals.

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When we played Malmo they were in the middle of their season. I don't know about Iceland, but I would have thought they had summer football too. Fitness alone isn't enough.

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Originally Posted by mypost

You don't think our clubs would win their games, if the league started in September like other countries, do you? If you do, remember how Lille ran rings round Shels in Europe, except for the last 10 minutes in Lansdowne.

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It depends who they're playing. Lille are a very good side.

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Originally Posted by Éanna

When we played Malmo they were in the middle of their season. I don't know about Iceland, but I would have thought they had summer football too. Fitness alone isn't enough.

Lille are a very good side.

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The only reason Cork beat Malmo was because Cork play Summer football too. If they were in pre-season against Malmo, Malmo would have won easily.

Coruna's league season started after they played Shels. Yes, Lille are a very good side. However, they're not Barcelona or AC Milan. Shels should have given it a good go at home, instead they made Lille look better than they are, as most Irish clubs do when they lose in Europe.

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Originally Posted by mypost

The only reason Cork beat Malmo was because Cork play Summer football too. If they were in pre-season against Malmo, Malmo would have won easily.

Coruna's league season started after they played Shels. Yes, Lille are a very good side. However, they're not Barcelona or AC Milan. Shels should have given it a good go at home, instead they made Lille look better than they are, as most Irish clubs do when they lose in Europe.

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a sensible person on here at long last !!!

mate they just cant see that el teams are nt good enough to compete in the champs league ,so i dont think there is much point going on about this ,its ok when people dissagree with your posts but not when they start attacking you personally becuase you dont think the el is a good league you gotta know you ll never win !! ;)