Deal in touble?

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

08/12/2004, 2:36 PM
joeSoap

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

it's the same as JoeSoap being tied in with NOC and there's been no calls to censure his posts, even if some think that this affiliation colours his views at time.

Well....I am shocked....appalled even! I don't even buy my meat from the man, let alone have my affiliations coloured by him from time to time....I'm hurt, and offended, and taking my ball and going home !!! :D :D

I think that my posts generally don't get called for censure because they are accurate, informative, intelligent, marvellous, fantastic, insightful and a lot of the time, the only ones on this thing. :D :D

Point taken SLK, but I do believe that anyone who tries to support and justify the actions of Michael O'Sullivan et al on this forum deserves to get shot down by the likes of Gael and Deise and any other fan. It is a fans forum after all, and theres no two ways about it, Michael O'Sullivan has landed us in a lot of hot water, and now seeks to make personal profit from a new gift horse....if NOC or anyone else behaved in the same way, I'd expect the same abuse levels.
08/12/2004, 2:45 PM
sadloserkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Well....I am shocked....appalled even! I don't even buy my meat from the man, let alone have my affiliations coloured by him from time to time....I'm hurt, and offended, and taking my ball and going home !!! :D :D

I think that my posts generally don't get called for censure because they are accurate, informative, intelligent, marvellous, fantastic, insightful and a lot of the time, the only ones on this thing. :D :D

Don't go home Joe, I like your posts. Even when I don't agree with them. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Point taken SLK, but I do believe that anyone who tries to support and justify the actions of Michael O'Sullivan et al on this forum deserves to get shot down by the likes of Gael and Deise and any other fan. It is a fans forum after all, and theres no two ways about it, Michael O'Sullivan has landed us in a lot of hot water, and now seeks to make personal profit from a new gift horse....if NOC or anyone else behaved in the same way, I'd expect the same abuse levels.

I don't mind criticism of MOS Joe but criticism of a poster simply because they hold a different viewpoint is out of order. The rule of thumb here is 'Attack the Post, not the poster' and some people have forgotten this in their haste to 'unmask' people. Some people (not you) have even spilled over into other threads with similar crap. I certainly don't want to lock this thread because there's a lotof information there but unless it gets back on topic pretty sharpish I'll have no choice.
08/12/2004, 3:14 PM
anto1208

think ill just leave this one before i get lynched !!! stick to talking about the team from now on but i have nt just appeared a few days ago i was registered back in august or september , i came across this site before i went to ireland france coz there was a topic about my mate on here that we found funny .

i also oviously was nt aware of all that has been going on coz i dont get told the same as ye ,all i noticed was the cup and the play off s for a young team with no money was a good acheivement and now its time to move onwards and upwards , and i will be moving on from this topic coz ive a pain in my hands from type'n !!!
08/12/2004, 3:14 PM
jebus

Trying to appease SLK and getting back on topic, its now the 8th of December, has there been anymore news on whether the deal has gone /will go through or not?
08/12/2004, 3:18 PM
deise deserter

Well anyone who wants to know the latest can pm either JohnD Gael353 or myself.
08/12/2004, 3:18 PM
anto1208

i feel in my opinion that it is going through ok but that these things can take time !!
08/12/2004, 3:22 PM
deise deserter

Agreed. And if anyone could push the parties along to finishing this off we'd all be much happier imho! :p
08/12/2004, 3:24 PM
sadloserkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by deise deserter

Well anyone who wants to know the latest can pm either JohnD Trev or myself.

And then they'll give you the totally unbiased version being churned out to them by the incoming owners who are totally beyond question or reproach for some reason. The same owners who have neglected to mention the name on the newly signed lease for Hogan Park as some might view it as a bit innappropriate given the rumoured appointment of our new manager...
08/12/2004, 3:31 PM
deise deserter

SLK: Stay on topic for christ's sake!!!! :mad:

I've already slagged another member about this in another thread. Simply because we have the experience that MOS is untrustworthy, I do not give the other side my complete trust. I'm sure there is an element of spin on both sides, but MOS is the boy who cried wolf. If you lie continuously to fans don't expect them to believe a word. I don't 100% believe the other side either but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt or in other words enough rope to hang themselves with.
08/12/2004, 3:40 PM
joeSoap

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

And then they'll give you the totally unbiased version being churned out to them by the incoming owners who are totally beyond question or reproach for some reason. The same owners who have neglected to mention the name on the newly signed lease for Hogan Park as some might view it as a bit innappropriate given the rumoured appointment of our new manager...

Think you might find that the problems concerning the 'newly signed lease' as you so put it SLK are issues concerning the trustees of the ground, and the rules written into that trust. This has got nothing to do with any individual/s, but its a legal matter that needs ironing out.I fail to see the link between this and the rumoured appointment of our new manager who is supposed to be able to sway my every post...maybe you'll explain.
08/12/2004, 3:41 PM
sadloserkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by deise deserter

SLK: Stay on topic for christ's sake!!!! :mad:

I've already slagged another member about this in another thread. Simply because we have the experience that MOS is untrustworthy, I do not give the other side my complete trust. I'm sure there is an element of spin on both sides, but MOS is the boy who cried wolf. If you lie continuously to fans don't expect them to believe a word. I don't 100% believe the other side either but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt or in other words enough rope to hang themselves with.

Well as the lease holder is a central part of the deal going through I feel that your emoticon there in highly inappropriate. But that's ok. ;)

As for your point about giving the new board the benefit of the doubt I think it could easily be argued that they've already betrayed this. Just to give two examples.

1. I know it was 'ages ago' and that it didn't go through but let's not forget that they did try to have a supporter banned from the ground. The fact is that if JohnD and others hadn't spoken up on behalf of this supporter they would have pressed ahead with this ridiculous scheme. A scheme that in my opinion, is near fascist.

2. I'm just gonna throw out a random scenario here. Would anybody question the suitability of a person being club manager, a member of the club's operating body and the signatory on the lease for the club's ground? Let's just carry this fictitious scene a wee bit further on. If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)

I sincerely hope that this deal goes through, I can't stress enough that I think it will be beneficial to the club but the perception that we're replacing a shower of untrustworthy, incompetent devils with a choir of lovable, trustworthy angels is at least 50% incorrect and it demeans the intelligence of everybody involved to present things as such. The new people are bringing an abundance of resources and ambition but I suspect that the level of moral behaviour will not be rising one hundredfold.
08/12/2004, 3:44 PM
sadloserkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeSoap

...maybe you'll explain.

Gladly Joe. Rumour has it that Noel O'Connor is going to be appointed Limerick's manager. Rumour also has it that his is the name on the lease for Hogan Park. Perhaps you can confirm or deny either or both of these stories?

If they're both true it's vastly inappropriate.
08/12/2004, 3:45 PM
deise deserter

Joesoap: Poor post. Unless a the non-corporeal body called "Limerick FC" has magically put it's name on paper, this does concern individuals. Surely the trustees/lease holders are individuals who must sign.

It is an issue about individuals, namely NOC. Everyone knew the writing was on the wall for his return for the past few months. The fact he is so tied into the mechanics of the club is worrying, and does give SLK more than adequate reason to express concern.
08/12/2004, 3:54 PM
joeSoap

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Well as the lease holder is a central part of the deal going through I feel that your emoticon there in highly inappropriate. But that's ok. ;)

I presume that you are fully knowledgeable as to who's signing what, then?? :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

As for your point about giving the new board the benefit of the doubt I think it could easily be argued that they've already betrayed this. Just to give two examples.

2. I'm just gonna throw out a random scenario here. Would anybody question the suitability of a person being club manager, a member of the club's operating body and the signatory on the lease for the club's ground? Let's just carry this fictitious scene a wee bit further on. If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)

I think you are letting your imagination run away with you a little bit here.You are forgetting the vast amounts of money, time and investment that are being put into this by the new set-up.You seem to compare all of this with a Stalin like coup, with dictators overthrowing peasant do-gooders, when in fact it is simply some hard faced successful busisnessmen coming in to exploit an opportunity that the club, players, fans and city will benefit from. If they fail, which they might, I can't see them standing in the way of someone who can do it better.It's called BUSINESS ...ON AND OFF THE FIELD.
08/12/2004, 3:59 PM
joeSoap

Quote:

Originally Posted by deise deserter

Joesoap: Poor post. Unless a the non-corporeal body called "Limerick FC" has magically put it's name on paper, this does concern individuals. Surely the trustees/lease holders are individuals who must sign.

It is an issue about individuals, namely NOC. Everyone knew the writing was on the wall for his return for the past few months. The fact he is so tied into the mechanics of the club is worrying, and does give SLK more than adequate reason to express concern.

Do you even know when the trust for Hogan Park was written up....or who the trustees of the ground actually are??? Or what the rules of that said trust state? I doubt you do, and if you did you might understand why it is a legal issue.
08/12/2004, 4:03 PM
joeSoap

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

Gladly Joe. Rumour has it that Noel O'Connor is going to be appointed Limerick's manager. Rumour also has it that his is the name on the lease for Hogan Park. Perhaps you can confirm or deny either or both of these stories?

If they're both true it's vastly inappropriate.

Oxford Dfeinition of Rumour:

1. A piece of news or information which is passed from person to person and which may or may not be true.

Thesaurus: tale, report, insinuation.
2. General talk or gossip; hearsay.

Thesaurus: hearsay, gossip, insinuation, news, tidings, intelligence, the grapevine.

Deal in facts, not rumours. It always is much safer and stops people putting their foot in their mouths.
08/12/2004, 5:17 PM
4tothefloor

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

If the club are languishing in the depths of the first division next season would it be easy to remove such a figure. Am I the only one familiar with the story of Chester City whose American chairman ended up picking the team? Actually, I probably am... :)

I expressed this ages ago in another thread. I think NOC being manager is a conflict of interests, I've said it all along, and i'll continue to say it. It's going to lead to more fighting and problems down the line, unless of course he is highly successful and we're up in no time....
09/12/2004, 8:54 AM
joeSoap

Don't know how well any of ye know Noel, but I can guarantee you that if there isn't success on the pitch within the timeframe he gives, he'll go. Might I suggest that any of you who have all of these 'concerns' regarding someone who is helping drag this club out of the mire and in to the present day, simply call to Pat O'Connor Butchers, 41 William Street, Limerick, and express these concerns with the proprietor. He never shies away from fans, and I'm sure he'll only be too keen to answer all of your enquiries...
09/12/2004, 11:20 AM
JohnD

Comrades an Fellow members of the Proletariat:

Can we all stop this pointless ranting. I feel that it has gone way off topic. Some of the Contributers are not being objective and are letting Personal issues with People cloud their Judgement.

For Gods Sake do ye want to stay in Div:1 with no Hope? As for "Stalinist Coup" Well I am all for a bit of Socialism me :) Onwards and Upwards with Foot Soldiers of The Blue Army

Flying high above the Sky..lets keep the red Flag flyiing high!!!!

Comrade JohnD
09/12/2004, 12:35 PM
sadloserkid

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Deal in facts, not rumours. It always is much safer and stops people putting their foot in their mouths.

Or in simple English you're unwilling to confirm the above right? :rolleyes:

I'm asking you to clarify the concern that at least one other poster here has also identified. Are you willing to do this for me? I suspect that out of all the waffle posted here you and anto1208 are the most informed posters on the whole situation so share the wisdom. If you want rumours quashed prove it, give us some facts.

How much does MOS want is another question that anto1208 put out there that nobody answered. Can you answer it for us?

And lastly, Stalin wasn't a facist! ;)

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page