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13/12/2011, 5:47 AM
Spudulika

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Originally Posted by askmehoop

I dont know what some of the mongs that go to Rovers want, play good football and win f**k all and they might be happy. we've played good football at times this year and we've grafted too, we've had to play conservative to compete in europe. Our style of play has been successful and at the end of the day thats all that matters.

askmehoop, I've been critical of the way in which MON had/has Rovers playing. If it was my side I'd just be happy they're winning, so I can just shut up about style etc. However I'd like to see Rovers open up and play when they're up a goal or two, they have a great squad and can just destroy teams. But again, if my side were winning 1-0 and just lumping the ball forward and closing down the opposition, so what. Two of the greatest Ireland matches in my experience were the 1-0 in Stuttgart in 1988 and the 0-0 in Moscow this year. We didn't lose and it was edge of the seat stuff, MON doesn't do edge of seat experience, he gets his sides playing winning football. And it's successful and you're right, that's all that matters.
13/12/2011, 7:49 AM
dong

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Jaysus lads touchy much??

You didn't even read my point.

I didn't actually comment on the rights or wrongs of actually raising the budget.

By all means raise the budget. But to state publicly that you'll be spending more money at a time when you're looking to sign players strikes me as a bit stupid.

Also, whoever said Sligo made a healthy profit, can you explain how?!

Westlife.
13/12/2011, 9:52 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Jicked

despite playing 20 odd games extra over some of our title rivals.

Who did you play 20 games more than this year?

9 european games (before league finished), 4 FAI Cup, 1 league cup, 5 Setanta Cup games, 2 Leinster Senior Cup? So a total of 21 cup games

Pats (not a title rival but indulge me...) had 6 European games, 5 FAI Cup games, 2 league cup games, 2 Setanta and 5 Leinster Senior. Thats 20

Sligo had 2 European games, 6 FAI Cup games, 3 League cup and 4 Setanta. So 15.

Derry, least games of all, but they had 1 FAI Cup and 6 league cup fixtures.
13/12/2011, 10:15 AM
askmehoop

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Who did you play 20 games more than this year?

9 european games (before league finished), 4 FAI Cup, 1 league cup, 5 Setanta Cup games, 2 Leinster Senior Cup? So a total of 21 cup games

Pats (not a title rival but indulge me...) had 6 European games, 5 FAI Cup games, 2 league cup games, 2 Setanta and 5 Leinster Senior. Thats 20

Sligo had 2 European games, 6 FAI Cup games, 3 League cup and 4 Setanta. So 15.

Derry, least games of all, but they had 1 FAI Cup and 6 league cup fixtures.

its more around the 10\11 mark, unless mypost is including friendlies. although when you consider the opposition we've faced you'd have to take the physical affect on the players into consideration
13/12/2011, 10:48 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by askmehoop

its more around the 10\11 mark, unless mypost is including friendlies. although when you consider the opposition we've faced you'd have to take the physical affect on the players into consideration

There's absolutely no way either of your games against the Estonians was any more taxing than a single cup game played by anyone else.

But thats not the point. No one disgarees that its been a long season for Rovers, but playing 6 more games than Sligo (of which 3 were your complete reserve team) isn't something that should effect results
13/12/2011, 11:05 AM
Spudulika

Slightly disagree there Dodge, you haven't put in the travel factor. They're part time players (unless something changed) so you've also got the recovery factor. Plus eyes were cast towards Europe and concentration lost a little on the home front.
13/12/2011, 11:32 AM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by Spudulika

Slightly disagree there Dodge, you haven't put in the travel factor. They're part time players (unless something changed) so you've also got the recovery factor. Plus eyes were cast towards Europe and concentration lost a little on the home front.

if we're talking Travel Factor then I wonder has anyone traveled as far as Pats did this year
13/12/2011, 11:35 AM
Dodge

Look there's loads of factors. IF we bring travel into it, Sligo and Derry have far more travel within Ireland.

it is not a valid reason for effecting a seasons results
13/12/2011, 11:56 AM
poster

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Originally Posted by Spudulika

They're part time players (unless something changed)

Again I ask, who there is 'part time'?
13/12/2011, 12:03 PM
Charlie Darwin

I think just Rice of the first team squad has a day job. The others like Flynn and Kavanagh were fringe players. However the players don't train to the same intensity as a full-time side would, even if the players don't have other jobs.
13/12/2011, 12:07 PM
poster

So really, apart from Rice (who imo has been your best player this year) and the fringe lads yer full time?
13/12/2011, 12:10 PM
Charlie Darwin

In terms of it being the players' only job, yeah. That doesn't mean they'd be on the same level of fitness/professionalism as equivalent teams in England/Scotland, or even the likes of Fenlon's Bohs and Shels sides.
13/12/2011, 1:20 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by poster

So really, apart from Rice (who imo has been your best player this year) and the fringe lads yer full time?

No, they're part time but the players don't have a day job. There's a lot of players throughout the league like that due to the economic situation. It's not the same as being fully pro, imo.
13/12/2011, 1:38 PM
Mr A

The Indo mentions Kerr, Cook, Kenny, Sean O'Driscoll, Kenny Cunningham, Gary Breen
13/12/2011, 3:07 PM
askmehoop

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Originally Posted by Dodge

There's absolutely no way either of your games against the Estonians was any more taxing than a single cup game played by anyone else.

But thats not the point. No one disgarees that its been a long season for Rovers, but playing 6 more games than Sligo (of which 3 were your complete reserve team) isn't something that should effect results

Take out the estonians, who had 7 internationals btw. Copenhagen, Belgrade, Spurs, PAOK and Rublin, and as spudulika pointed out the travelling. Like it or not dodge it has been a far more physically draining season for Rovers, either way we won the league so i dont give a bo**ox what people think.
13/12/2011, 3:08 PM
askmehoop

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Originally Posted by Mr A

The Indo mentions Kerr, Cook, Kenny, Sean O'Driscoll, Kenny Cunningham, Gary Breen

All lifted from the ultras forum, great journalism in this country
13/12/2011, 3:16 PM
askmehoop

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Look there's loads of factors. IF we bring travel into it, Sligo and Derry have far more travel within Ireland.

it is not a valid reason for effecting a seasons results

different time zones? unless sligo has its own timezone then i think travelling around Ireland is slightly handier.

and if you want to be nit-picky we have a lot more derby games then any of the two teams you mentioned
13/12/2011, 3:34 PM
PartySaint

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Originally Posted by askmehoop

different time zones? unless sligo has its own timezone then i think travelling around Ireland is slightly handier.

They have to come all the way from the 1970's
13/12/2011, 3:52 PM
poster

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Originally Posted by PartySaint

They have to come all the way from the 1970's

Not a lot has changed. Pat's still can't manage to win the cup! :sheep:
13/12/2011, 5:02 PM
Rasputin

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Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Jaysus lads touchy much??

You didn't even read my point.

I didn't actually comment on the rights or wrongs of actually raising the budget.

By all means raise the budget. But to state publicly that you'll be spending more money at a time when you're looking to sign players strikes me as a bit stupid.

Also, whoever said Sligo made a healthy profit, can you explain how?!

Fair enough, but it does have its positive aspects imo, it shows the top players in the league that we will be at least in contention for their signatures and it tells the fans that we still have aspirations of winning the league and hopefully a spin off effect of more season tickets, more membership, better sponsorship deals etc.
This seasons budget has not been disclosed yet but it will as it is always done for the members.
But last seasons budget was revealed and there was a thread on here after it was disclosed, have a look around if you want but I really couldnt be arsed.

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