Trouble outside Stadiums

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Originally Posted by Derry

Was that the time that a van load of incredibly drunk Dundalk supporters thought they would head on down into the Bogside to show the locals how hard men they were, then went crying to the media when they ran like ***k.

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Your taking the pi$$ LOL "went crying to the media", make it up as you go along sure LOL.
Yes the incident did happen and those fans are now banned from the club, but dont be coming on adding parts to the story.

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Originally Posted by City till I Die

I dont think many are up to date with the recent political history of the area, it may not insult Derry fans within the ground, but outside of it and the surrounding area is a very different matter. So yes I believe you are being a little naive in this instance

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I bow to your local knowledge. An increased police presence would just increase the number of targets....'recent political history'? how recent is recent? pm me if necessary

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

I bow to your local knowledge. An increased police presence would just increase the number of targets....'recent political history'? how recent is recent? pm me if necessary

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Well so recent that right now there is a bomb alert by Dissidents about 1/2 a mile away from the ground right at this very moment. The Brandywell/Bogside is Dissident stronghold

This thread is doing no favours whatsoever to the "discover Northern Ireland" ad on the right of my screen.;)

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Thats news to me! sure you are not mixing the two Rovers up?

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Hes on about years ago back in the 70s and 80s.
There hasnt been anything serious up here for years.

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Originally Posted by horton

Harleyleeds, what difference will reporting who the stoners are make? There is a difference between knowing who is responsible and proving it/getting something done. Hell, coming from the area myself I could probably hazard a guess at a few of the ringleaders. Chances are those involved are not DCFC fans but local hoods, banning them from the stadium won't make much of a difference. If they watch the games they do it from Skint Hill so there is nothing the club can do to punish them. The less said about having the PSNI patrolling the ground the better. . .

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Im very sorry I wasnt referring to Derry but to stoning in general . I did mention that the police and Derry dont go together. I was saying all the (any)club can do is ban troublemakers. I dont think I asked for ruc in the Brandywell and if it seems I did again I appologise as it wasnt my intention . Very sorry again to have spoken in error please nobody take offence from what I said . I will sumarise what I was trying to say ......... attacking the buses (any buses) is wrong and hopefully it can be stopped . please disregard any previous statements.

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Originally Posted by Nesta99

Thats news to me! sure you are not mixing the two Rovers up?

Anyhow, returning home from the Brandywell about 10yrs ago the supporters coach I was on was attacked - there is little animosity between Dundalk and Derry, it was obviously a few local sh*theads indulging in that uniquely Northern Irish activity of recreational rioting and we were side act - wrong place wrong time. Never happened again upon any return visit.

For Derry fans to say that rovers were inciting trouble by whatever was being sung by their support is weak, thats football, fans sing insulting songs world over...dont be so soft.

Outside the ground should be policed by the PSNI (I understand the historical/political context of the location), but again the club and police should be liasing about this. If it is not possible to police the Brandywell area well then think again before spending that nice chunk of cash heading your way on a ground in a policing no go area.

Shams fans in particular mypost - get over yourself and this persecution complex, the reason your fans behaviour is scrutinised is because you are the most successful club in the LoI, play out of the top ground, are current league champs, model club, wealthiest etc etc all those things that you constantly remind the rest of us of; and element of your travelling support regularily cause trouble....the best worst fans. Like it or not the scrutiny has more to do with the apparent regularity of incidents and the subsequent expectation that somthing is going to happen.

Dundalk have worked hard in improving security in an around Oriel Park at significant cost for away, home support, and local residents. Maybe some Bohs fans might like to comment but the security effort is excellent with the Mounted police unit and the Dog unit available. Fans are kept well apart and potential hotspots for the stone throwers are closely monitored. Recent Setanta cup games have highlighted the success of the efforts, so it can be done if the will is there. Its not perfect and there is always a chance some idiot will get through but thankfull more likely the exception than the rule. As for our own travelling support well lets hope that our scumbags are not given the oppertunity to embaress us due to appropriate security at aways grounds -Tallaght for example is excellent to travel to for this very reason

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news to you it may be but the truth none the less there was even talk about a book on it .I did say it was 70s/80s .

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Originally Posted by HulaHoop

If a home club cant guarantee the safety of the away teams players and coaching staff should they be allowed play home games at all?

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It's this attitude that forced DCFC out of the Irish League in 1972. Height of the Troubles, mere months after Bloody Sunday - the difference between then and now should be patently obvious...

Not condoning stone-throwing, but some posters need to get some perspective.

I know it sounds like a cop-out, but outside the ground there is only so much a club can do. The only people who can police the streets are the actual police. Definitely, the clubs should be liaising with the police (and with the opposition fan clubs / security) to limit the potential trouble.

But if a moron with a rock decides to wait for the bus in a laneway-cum-escape route 300 metres up the road from the ground, not even a police escort will stop him throwing the rock (or find him afterwards).

I can't stand those people who hate football but still go along to games to deliberately cause trouble and ruin them for everybody else.



Bloody referees.

Reading this thread and shaking my head. Why oh why do Rovers always come on here and have a pop at other clubs fans. A sligo Fan came on here earlier and praised both sets of fans for their behaviour on the first night of the season. No incidents no arrests in or out of the ground. Cork fans Bohs fans also saying how well they get treated. For years Derry fans have been targeted in other parts of the country with buses being stoned. Probably the biggest place for stoning is at NewBuildings in Derry by Loyalists on returning from away matches while police were standing close by. That didnt stop youths throwing stones. Having the PSNI will only create further problems in the area. What happens away from the ground is not DCFC problem but the councils and the police.

On May 13th, if the Derry Team bus gets hammered with bricks 100yds up the road from Tallaght Stadium, will the reaction be,
a) not rovers fault, police/public order problem, etc, or
b) typical rovers $cum, ban them all, games behind closed doors, etc?

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Originally Posted by sundance kid

On May 13th, if the Derry Team bus gets hammered with bricks 100yds up the road from Tallaght Stadium, will the reaction be,
a) not rovers fault, police/public order problem, etc, or
b) typical rovers $cum, ban them all, games behind closed doors, etc?

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I don't know, but there is a good chance we might find out in May

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Originally Posted by sundance kid

On May 13th, if the Derry Team bus gets hammered with bricks 100yds up the road from Tallaght Stadium, will the reaction be,
a) not rovers fault, police/public order problem, etc, or
b) typical rovers $cum, ban them all, games behind closed doors, etc?

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Depends who's posting.

We never had trouble outside the Brandywell since we were there. Always had the craic with Derry supporters...
Hmmm... common denominator?

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Originally Posted by Rasputin

The more and more I think about this I think it shows the inherent bias among the LOI support, the FAI, the Gardai, the PSNI and the Illuminati towards Shams.
Also as an aside, Mypost did your flying saucer get bricked on the way out too?

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........ really, really find it hard to believe these alledged incidents after the derry/shams match actually happened as it is a fact that there is no direct bus service between Tallaght and the Brandywell :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by sundance kid

On May 13th, if the Derry Team bus gets hammered with bricks 100yds up the road from Tallaght Stadium, will the reaction be,
a) not rovers fault, police/public order problem, etc, or
b) typical rovers $cum, ban them all, games behind closed doors, etc?

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i would tend to blame the former, unless we manage to get the bus into the ground and park it across our goal mouth. but then, i tend to think about things and not jump in feet first.

Police won't go near it unless they REALLY have to because of the area it's in.

The PSNI's hands are tied in the North and it leads to very poor policing in certain situations.

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Originally Posted by shantykelly

and that's a very one sided and uninformed post that seems to be deliberately aimed at **** stirring.

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It's not one sided. I'm not taking any sides.

Rightly or wrongly, the PSNI are kept on a tight leash as regards to what they can or cannot do. It's a fact. The reasons why that is the case are irrelevant in this debate.

The vast majority of the time it makes no difference but in situations where a visible police presence is required it can lead to issues.