Russia wins 2018 rights, Qatar to host 2022

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Originally Posted by Dodge

IT wasn't a rule. The new 'rule' is about the continents.

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OK, it was a "Principle":

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The FIFA Executive Committee has expressed a clear opinion in favour of some form of rotating the FIFA World Cup among the six continental confederations, as from the year 2010.

The Committee, meeting in Zurich under the chairmanship of the FIFA President, Joseph S. Blatter, unanimously backed Blatter's suggestion to ensure that all continents be given an equal opportunity to host the World Cup.

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http://img.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...sid=73722.html
Then abandoned when it after South Africa and Brazil were assured of their World Cups:

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As from 2018, the hosting of the FIFA World Cup™ will cease to be rotated. Under the chairmanship of President Joseph S. Blatter, the FIFA Executive Committee today - 29 October 2007 - unanimously passed a decision to abandon the principle (originally introduced in the year 2000) of rotating the men's World Cup from continent to continent. The confederations whose associations have hosted the two preceding World Cups will not be eligible to bid, however. Consequently, all the associations from Asia, North and Central America and the Caribbean, Oceania and Europe may bid for the 2018 FIFA World Cup™.

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http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...id=625122.html

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And yeah, of course FIFA is corrupt and can break whatever rules they make.

My point is that people can't pick and choose when they think FIFA were bing corrupt and when they weren't. You can't say that Germany or Brazil was the right decision but Russia or Qatar isn't, based solely on corruption.

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It was nicely set up for Brazil for 2014 with the "Rotation Principle" and noone else from Conmebol competing. So, according to this rule:

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The confederations whose associations have hosted the two preceding World Cups will not be eligible to bid, however.

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noone from AFC or UEFA can apply for 2026 which leaves just Concacaf(USA/Mexico) or Conmebol(Argentina) and Oceania(noone, Australia are in AFC).

Let's check back in this thread in 8 years to see if FIFA will change this bid eligibility rule anyway.

2030 is the centenary of the first World Cup, and I think I read somewhere that Argentina and Uruguay are targeting a joint bid for that.

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

2030 is the centenary of the first World Cup, and I think I read somewhere that Argentina and Uruguay are targeting a joint bid for that.

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If there was justice that's where it SHOULD be. however... I hear Liechtenstein could be in for this one.
Sure they don't need stadia, they can use Austria's and Switzerland's. :)

Now you're being silly, Lichtenstein ?

They have far too much international pedigree, draws with Slovakia and Portugal, wins over Latvia and Iceland, I think Djibouti would be a better bet.

Just a few points on England's reaction:

- I thought their bid was very credible & deserved to have run Russia close.
- However their indignation at FIFA's practices are misplaced / hypocritical, because
- the football regulators in England have virtually ignored every well considered request for regulatory reform; the FA is toothless and the EPL rules the roost. The EPL has TWO people on its board, one of whom has a very patchy track record in business. The EPL has shown contempt towards the international game and has little interest in developing grass roots (unlike the FA).
- The EPL is a marketing phenomenon but a regulatory disaster (serially loss making, the rogues gallery of club owners - "fit & proper" my ar3e, huge tax arrears, takeover structures that would be illegal in other industries...).
- the EPL destabilised the bid ages back. In fact, despite the strong late finish from the English bid, their bid was a shambles from the start with internal bickering totally undermining it.
-whereas other countries have influence in UEFA & FIFA England have none. Their figureheads are temporary cheerleaders or mascots - other countries have proper "football politicians". It mirrors the UK's tendency towards the EU: stand on the outside complaining about its structure and moan about maybe withdrawing
- Cameron can't complain about being lied to - he's a politician.

In light of most of the above, what did they expect? A shame really because they'd have done a great job hosting it.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Maybe, just maybe, the best bids came from Russia and Qatar? Seeing as not one of us have seen all the bids...

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Exactly, even though I would have preferred if Spain/portugal got it, but Russia deserve a chance, why not?

As for Qatar, wasn't unexpected and as i have said at the start of this thread - they put up a bloody good show, and in fact it might just work in a small country. Less meaningless travelling for fans and the chance to actually get to attend 3 games in on a day - which is perfect for fans.

Delighted England didnt get it - their Euros were a flop.
Seb Coe "As a football fan Im gutted" - yeah right!!!!

I see Blatter is accusing England of being sore losers. I agree with him and also the bit about the arrogance of Western Europe (not sure why he should add "Christian" on there though.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ad-losers.html

I also agree with this bit by the English bid head:

"England bid chairman and Fifa ExCo (Executive Committee) member Geoff Thompson said on Wednesday that Fifa should have clarified its priorities at the start of the process. “We are moving into new territories. If that was in their mind, they should have said that in the bidding documents. I don’t think it was anti-FA,” he told Sky News. “I think clarification was needed.” "

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I also agree with this bit by the English bid head:

"England bid chairman and Fifa ExCo (Executive Committee) member Geoff Thompson said on Wednesday that Fifa should have clarified its priorities at the start of the process. “We are moving into new territories. If that was in their mind, they should have said that in the bidding documents. I don’t think it was anti-FA,” he told Sky News. “I think clarification was needed.” "

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Em, he was on the fecking committee that decided it. He had a fecking vote!! Was off making tea when the rest of them supposedly decided this?

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Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I see Blatter is accusing England of being sore losers. I agree with him and also the bit about the arrogance of Western Europe (not sure why he should add "Christian" on there though.

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Can only think the "Christian" comment is an attempt to justify the er... eccentric choice for 2022.

Looks like the talk of moving the WC2022 to January is gaining momentum, Platini has now said it could be possible:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...9f31bbe79f7a29

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Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

Looks like the talk of moving the WC2022 to January is gaining momentum, Platini has now said it could be possible:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...9f31bbe79f7a29

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Now there's our reason to keep summer soccer.

He's a moron. An utter moron.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...atar-world-cup

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The Fifa president, Sepp Blatter, has attempted to laugh off the problems which gay supporters may face at the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

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Heard the audio yday. He's easily the biggest non-Irish plonker I've come across in an age.

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

He's a moron. An utter moron.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...atar-world-cup

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Amen to that. The sooner the clown goes the better. He almost makes certain Irish politicians seem credible by comparison.

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Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy

Amen to that. The sooner the clown goes the better. He almost makes certain Irish politicians seem credible by comparison.

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To be replaced by...

another moron... ah FIFA... why can't they act more like the IOC. :)

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

He's a moron. An utter moron.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...atar-world-cup

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At every major championships we hear the usual talk of wives and partners being banned from hotels and sex bans for players - everybody smiles and just gets on with it. During the last but one World Cup German cities had "brothel zones" to service fans, apart from a few liberal outlets it went past the public and there was no major outrage. At Olympic and Commonwealth games they distribute free condoms (including Arab Games) and it passes unnoticed - even when it's reported that "condoms" are blocking poorly constructed sewerage systems. Blatter was asked an unpalatable question and responded in a decent manner that was from a sporting point of view and it was asked to provoke a storm - no matter what he said he was going to lose. However why the need for clarification, as is standard in Arabia, what goes on between grown adults in hotel rooms has a blind eye turned to it. Reporters know this. Why not bring up the fact that relations between non-married adults are against the law? Or that Dubai and other tourist destinations have flights to odd destinations that are simply used to traffic women in and out?

Trust the leftie homosexual centric rag that is the Guardian to spin this out of control. Oddly they've been very pro-active on the anti-english front of late.

'French Football Magazine Claims Qatar Bribed Their Way To Being 2022 World Cup Hosts': http://www.balls.ie/football/french-....IFo6qC32.dpbs

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French Football magazine France Football published a 15-page article today titled ‘Qatargate’ in which it claims that FIFA executive committee officials accepted bribes to vote for the Qatari bid for the 2022 World Cup. Australia, Japan, USA and South Korea were the other contenders to be hosts.

They allege that President of the African Confederation Issa Hayatou of Cameroon along with Jacques Anouma of Ivory Coast both accepted $1.5m to vote for Qatar. It is also claimed that Qatar patronised the 2010 African Confederation Congress to the amount of $1.25m in order to gain access to it’s members.

The article also details a meeting between French President Nicolas Sarozy, UEFA President Michele Platini and Qatari crown prince Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani in 2010. It was thought at the time that Platini would vote for the USA bid but later opted for Qatar. According to the article Nicolas Sarkozy asked Platini to vote for Qatar due to geopolitical reasons.

The Qatari crown prince bought French club Paris St. Germain in 2011 and has since made massive investments in the club buying players such as Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Ezequiel Lavezzi and Thiago Silva. He also established a new French sports televisions network named beIN Sports. France Football say that both of these investments were influenced by the talks he had with Sarkozy and Platini in 2010.

France Football will be submitting their evidence to FIFA for further review.

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No way? Bribes. I didn't think that at all.

I mean as a giant in world football and with such superb infrastructure they were nailed on. I hope it never gets there.

We have to ask why 2018 and 2022 were announced at the same time. Clearly it was so Blatter got the benefit of announcing the 2022 bid himself as by the time the real announcement date comes round (usually 7 years isn't it, ie. 2015) comes about he'll be out of teh job.

Very serious implications though if it is proven that the political process (Sarkozy asking Platini to vote for Qatar) influenced the decision.

Woo. Bye bye Platini. :)

And we can get rid of that awful Euro 2020 plan.

This article puts a bit of context on it. Basically the article breaks no new ground and just aggregates all the rumours without really backing them up with hard facts;

http://mondialblog.tumblr.com/post/4...8466/qatargate

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I think it’s fair to say that few people came out of the bid race with much credit and while it may have been more palatable for England, the US or Australia to have won hosting rights, they lost out to healthier resourced opponents who played to the margins better than they did.

Every bid that was in serious contention sought to exploit loopholes in the bid guidelines and played to the line.

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He goes on...

"Exploit loopholes"

Wonderful phrasing.

Here's hoping he's holding over the details for teh Authorities. :(