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Drop the son bit, very disrespectful, especially to someone who is actually giving you a chance and not slating you.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Back to Simon Cox, young striker playing well in a difficult league with a good footballing side. Definately worth a look, only saw him once against QPR when I was home but he looked a much better option than Folan and easily at least the equal of Best, quick strong and tricky with a powerful shot and bags of courage.
I don't mean to disrespect anyone it's just a habit.
The Nigerian is blown out of proportion and fair play to you Silkcut you seem to have an objective mind.
If Cox wants to play for Ireland then he has every right to under the rules, I just think it's sad that Ireland are having to go down this road again. It was hard trying to explain it to Americans in 94,and tbh it is a prime subject for jokes. But he is available and Ireland do need all they can get I suppose.
I don't see the problem with trawling England for players, every country does it. France and Holland trawl africa, Italy has Camoranesi from Argentina and Rossi from the States even England have Hargreaves who is Canadian. countries are much more multi cultural now, if there are second or third generation Irishmen out there who are good enough to play for us and want to play for us, bring 'em on.
I suppose your right Silk and that does seem to be the way it's going but I do feel that it takes something away from International football. It may happen that it will be like club football in the future with anyone playing for whoever and who knows with all the money involved in the game now it may come down to mercaneries going to the highest bidder.
Who is this supposed to be. Sounds like a character from a gangster novel. I'm finding it hard to remain respectful towards your posts. You are obviously a WUMQuote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Dont understand this logic at all, particularly considering the irish history of emigration and diaspora we have. If you have ever been to an away game you will truly appreciate how people not born in Ireland but with connections to Ireland through parents/grandparents etc are as passionate about the team and the country as anyone born here. We have done well under the granny rule and the majority of beneficiaries have given there all for the jersey. Even 'suspect' cases like Clint, his commitment when playing for us cannot be questioned. We are a small country with a very little pool, if the likes of Holland, France, Portugal, Germany and Spain exploit the granny rule then we definitely should as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
What was hard to explain to Americans?? Ae you seriously suggesting that Americans could not comprehend how somebody born outside Ireland came to represent us in the World Cup??Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
In the very same tournament the American squad featured Roy Wegerle, a South African born & bred, he qualified through the back door by residency, he hadn't even gotten any links to the States. Another guy, Fernando Clavijo was born in Uraguay and Mike Perez is Salvadoran.
Bringing that up to date, what part of the US was Freddy Adu born in??
And thats only in Football, you take a look back at American representative sides in any sport and you'll see them exploiting rules to field "non native" players, from Africans to Cubans....so I find it ridiculous that you would say that Americans were in some way ignorant to the phenomenon! They have a track record of exploiting it as much as we do.
This thread is funny.
I Know.....It is actually a thread about Simon Cox..as ripley would sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulie
Believe it or not
I can't believe you all actually bother engaging with yapster! There's a couple more like him too. It's a nuisance.
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Originally Posted by drummerboy
Typing error, I meant the Nigerian thing..
I took a lot of stick of this site, over(honest)general opinions which didn't meet the requirements of the super-intellects, but this is the biggest load of garbage i've read in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
When were Nigerians ever associated with being hardy, slow, center backs? :D
I don't think someone who posts stuff like this even deserves blocking, outright banning from the Ireland forum IMO :D
As for Cox, how old is he?. type of striker? Wouldnt get too worked up, obviously haven't seen him, but manys a player has scored 20+ in that division and struggled to get goals up above.
Cox is 22 - I haven't seen him play, but to be commanding a regular place in a possibly Premiership-bound team is not too shabby.
I have no idea what his reasons are for declaring for Ireland, but I'd be perfectly willing to give him a chance. If his heart's not in it, he won't perform to the required level and be dropped - natural selection at work.
That's assuming Nigeria don't snatch him from under our noses, of course...
never heard of him, dont think he will make the team. seriously if your gonna go down that route there is a good chance that half the team would be born in england. you can distort facts and mention france, england etc.(if anything with france its african countries taking their players) all you want but ireland really shouldn't go over the top with this rule. a lot of people in england have some irish ancestry it doesn't mean they should get in the team.
i think there is a differerence. france national team reflects their country, they have had mass immigration from north africa and other parts since the 60's, they might be african descent but they are french) this is in sharp contrast to ireland picking english developed players.
i want people like kilbane, david connolly, these players are 'irish' in that they connect with ireland whatever that connection is i dont know but they have it, what i dont want is just picking ireland because it gives them a chance at international footbal.
The Charlton years were a joke with all this granny-trawling and fair play to Kerr even though his reign wasn't successful he did try to bring Irish born players into the fold. The first-generation is ok and should be cut off at that. Yes other countries exploit this but Ireland has it down to an art. It's not fair on the home-grown players and it's not fair on the countries that they are poached from. In a generation or so if the off-spring of the people who have emigrated to Ireland start opting for their parents and grandparents countries I can guarantee you these players will get the abuse McGeady & McCarthy have recieved in Scotland.
Just imagine that Paul McGrath had opted to play for England the country of his birth or Nigeria where his dad was from or David o Leary or Liam Brady opting for his mothers country?
Saying that.. It's better to have a player and not need him, than to need him and not have him. I don't know enough about him to validate his herritage but he's been committing to Ireland for a long time now. Has been mentioned on this site since he was at Reading in the premiership, so he's hardly doing a Zat Knight on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Cox has always wanted to play for Ireland. During his time with Reading, he was quoted as saying that he asked Doyle and Hunt to let it be known that he wanted to play for the Ireland where he mother was born and bred.
If a player is genuinely commmitted to us and has the proper qualifications, they should be given the chance. What we don't want to the likes of Kevin Nolan.
What a corney intro....was i the only one to chuckle at this?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
In fairness if he uses the word "nan" to describe his granny he cant be that irish.