Sporting Fingal sponsorship deal provokes council row

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Originally Posted by The Lep

Mr Parker
is it wrong for others to want to be assured of a level playing field?

What do you want for all the clubs to have the same amount of sponsorship ? What Sporting gets through sponsorship has no bearing on other clubs and its up to them to get the best sponsorship possible for themselves.

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That was not the point I raised. I was refering to those members on here and others asking questionsabout how the club is being funded. If there is nothing to hide there is nothing to fear.

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

In my own fin svcs related job, everyone is required under legislation to do an anti-money laundering / bribery / business ethics CBT training course and exam every year. I cant find the exact reference on the web, but this course mentions how paying over the odds for something can be a form of bribery or curruption. E.g. some company looking to do business in some dodgy african state might pay the presidents cousins firm a large sum of money for say some basic security services.

I wonder what the going rate to be a secondary sponsor for a first division team is as compared with a six figure suggested by someone earlier in this thread?!

bhs

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so lets get this right fingal is in fact a small but dodgy african state and mr gannon is using the anglo to prop up these evil dictators. bloody hutos are all the same

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Originally Posted by The Lep

Its still a non story. Its the same old anti-Sporting Fingal heads scrapping the barrel to have a pop and trying to make something out of nothing .
Its good to see the begrudgery still in play with some fans of the other clubs.
At this rate, it looks like Sporting Fingal will dominate the boards next season as you would rather talk about us than talk about your own little clubs. Nothing much to talk about at home so you think of something trivial or something un-original to post .
Lads/Ladies, at least wait until a proper juicey story pops up and the fai gets involved before exaggerating what was said in a council meeting .
HAPPY NEW YEAR.
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And the award for 'most defensive post of the year' goes to.... :rolleyes:

Hell - you can even have the prize for 2010 as well.

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Originally Posted by passerrby

so lets get this right fingal is in fact a small but dodgy african state and mr gannon is using the anglo to prop up these evil dictators. bloody hutos are all the same

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You forgot to mention the reverse vampires!

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Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

You're an embarrassment to the other Fingal fan.

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Classic!

Jessus lads will yous chill the beans a little. He is defending the club thats all.

Like a pack of dogs sometimes in here.

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Jessus lads will yous chill the beans a little. He is defending the club thats all.

Like a pack of dogs sometimes in here.

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ya smelling the blood of a wounded animal

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Maybe this could be a separate thread - but just developing the Franchise topic on slightly - feel free to move if necessary?

Where are Franchise going to play next season in the Prem Div.

The first and only two years in their existence - Fingal Co Co have situated them in Morton. It's nowhere close to qualifying for a Prem Div licence.

They're going to have to rent another existing Dublin LoI Prem Div Licenced ground with Tolka, Dalyer & Inchicore the obvious candidates.

Given that the majority of their home support in Morton was made up of freebies bused in from areas like Swords, will they even maintain the same numbers if they continue to issue free tickets and transport to grounds not in County Fingal?

Never mind can Fingal Co Co, Gerry Gannon et al, afford to susidise it?

They brought only 70 odd paying supporters to an away game in Tolka last season - hardly encouraging?

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Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

Mods:

Maybe this could be a separate thread - but just developing the Franchise topic on slightly - feel free to move if necessary?

Where are Franchise going to play next season in the Prem Div.

The first and only two years in their existence - Fingal Co Co have situated them in Morton. It's nowhere close to qualifying for a Prem Div licence.

They're going to have to rent another existing Dublin LoI Prem Div Licenced ground with Tolka, Dalyer & Inchicore the obvious candidates.

Given that the majority of their home support in Morton was made up of freebies bused in from areas like Swords, will they even maintain the same numbers if they continue to issue free tickets and transport to grounds not in County Fingal?

Never mind can Fingal Co Co, Gerry Gannon et al, afford to susidise it?

They brought only 70 odd paying supporters to an away game in Tolka last season - hardly encouraging?

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No they won't have to move. Does United Park fit Premier standards? No.

The council are moving them to a purpose built facility in Lusk soon.

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

No they won't have to move. Does United Park fit Premier standards?

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So they're going to apply for a derogation based on their plans to move to a custom built stadium in the near future. In that case I'm no longer concerned for them, that's foolproof, nothing could go wrong!

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Originally Posted by Lamper.sffc

Like a pack of dogs sometimes in here.

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And dogs chase foxes, don't they.....? :)

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

this course mentions how paying over the odds for something can be a form of bribery or curruption.

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In that case over half the country would be locked up....

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Originally Posted by BohsFans

The council are moving them to a purpose built facility in Lusk soon.

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How soon? Has there actually been any definite move on this yet, because all I've heard are rumours

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Originally Posted by peadar1987

Has there actually been any definite move on this yet, because all I've heard are rumours

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Lob in a meaningless planning application that has no chance of success, the FAI are happy.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

I understand Shels fans paranoia to some extent, but I'm not sure what the rest of the posters issue is? That Anglo are state owned? That Gannon used leverage to get a good deal for his club? That they are tied in with Fingal CC? I don't see SF as being sustainable and the current arrangement is on its last lets, but there are some serious allegations being posted here.....

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Personally, I'm struggling to believe Gerry Gannon's motives are entirely altruistic and that he'd be prepared to put in hundreds of thousands a year and convince Anglo to also put in a signficiant amount for no apparent reward. It just seems odd to me. He'd never shown any great love for football before.

I'm pretty sure he's never put in the colour of what he has put into Sporting Fingal though I stand to be corrected. Kelleher was or is a Pats fan and Wallace had been running an underage setup for years and in fact seems to value that more than the success of the LOI team. I guess I'm just cynical about the levels of money being put in, the council involvement and that of Anglo and a favoured property developer. The levels of money just seem unnecessarily high from all parties. At the end of the day it's just a personal opinion.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Simply that the 'crimes' Fingal have committed here are similar to that of many clubs, yours incuded, who play in council owned facilities and had dealings with builders.

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Tolka Park is not council owned in the sense you infer. The ground or site is leased out from DCC, but effectively the owner of the long-term lease (99 years) owns the site and the structures on it.

I'm not sure you understand how leasehold works?

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Originally Posted by Buile Shuibhne

Mods:

Maybe this could be a separate thread - but just developing the Franchise topic on slightly - feel free to move if necessary?

Where are Franchise going to play next season in the Prem Div.

The first and only two years in their existence - Fingal Co Co have situated them in Morton. It's nowhere close to qualifying for a Prem Div licence.

They're going to have to rent another existing Dublin LoI Prem Div Licenced ground with Tolka, Dalyer & Inchicore the obvious candidates.

Given that the majority of their home support in Morton was made up of freebies bused in from areas like Swords, will they even maintain the same numbers if they continue to issue free tickets and transport to grounds not in County Fingal?

Never mind can Fingal Co Co, Gerry Gannon et al, afford to susidise it?

They brought only 70 odd paying supporters to an away game in Tolka last season - hardly encouraging?

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" Given that the majority of their home support in Morton was made up of freebies bused in from areas like Swords"

What are you on about? You are either i'll informed or making it up.

He's on about the fact you have no fans. I really hope you're in Tolka next year, we get the rent and you get no paying customers. Perfect really.

In terms of an asset Shels lease is/was a lot more valuable than DCC's freehold in fairness. Well, depending on how the long the lease is, but in general anything with over 70 years left on it is considered good title and is much more saleable than the freehold ownership.