Diarra and Andrews bust-up

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Originally Posted by LeBleu

I'm a froggy.

I hate some of my compatriot (especially tourists). I find us very pretentious, never happy and we know everything on every subject. We never wrong. Never.

In the other part, I like my country for different reason: F*****ng great food (cheese, wine), the women, the culture and for many other clichés...

For information, during the WW2 my grandfather has spent a "little time" on nazi's prisonner camp. He escaped from it to London, (at his return his weight was 70 pound). So not all the french are "surrenders monkeys" but a huge part is cheese eater!

I like ireland and irish. I have always spent wonderful moments on your country. Never meet nasty people (except on the roads). Always warm welcoming, always helpful. For me it is probably the best place on earth. (except dublin).
And I know too that your country is not a "paradise" for other reasons.

So I go back to football.
If Diarra says something bad about Irish people Irish staff must denounce that to the FIFA authorities and that's all.

I wish you "bonne chance" for wenesday and don't forget it's only football.

Allez les bleus!!!!

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Merci Beaucoup LeBleu. Allez les vertes!

I don't think calling someone an Irish pr**k is racist nor would I consider someone being called a French pr*ck racist.

For me it becomes racist if a French fella called an Irish guy a potato-eating car-bombing Mick or something along those lines....an ignorant stereotype. or an Irish guy calling a French fella an onion-wielding, stripy-jumpered, garlic-munching frog etc etc

Calling someone an Irish pr*ck is merely stating their nationality and then that person's feelings about him....

So i hope Andrews annihalates him :)

Diarra said today that Andrews knows where he can meet him if he wants. I expect complete fireworks in the first five minutes. Let us give Diarra a good welcome from Ireland.

There will be blood!

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Originally Posted by Pauro 76

Apparantly Diarra said something to Andrews after the match that Trappatoni described as 'insulting to the Irish nation'. Any idea what was said?

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No surrender! Which is ironic coming from a Frenchman

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Originally Posted by carloz

Diarra said today that Andrews knows where he can meet him if he wants. I expect complete fireworks in the first five minutes. Let us give Diarra a good welcome from Ireland.

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Solid wall of boos's but it is the last thing I want the players to be thinking about. Fair enough if they wind him up in to acting but we have to hope that any action from our guys is done with the ball.

These incidents can be used to aid focus, kind of an inward targetted anger.

I would remember it for the rest of my life if we can put one over them on Wednesday.

Very difficult tactical one fro both managers. expect a very cautious start from both sides no matter what is said pre-match. Trap will not want to give away anything and France will want to hold on to what they have.

Expect a 4-5-1 from France?

There were two Diarras playing for France.

The one I believe has caused all the trouble is the smaller one.

The one that looks like he's wearing a bicycle helmut!

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Originally Posted by noddy102

There will be blood!

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As good as it is, I don't see how a film about oil is going to help us. Unless it's a metaphor for oiling our gears to up the pace.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

I don't think calling someone an Irish pr**k is racist nor would I consider someone being called a French pr*ck racist...

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You're probably technically correct, but there's certainly some underlying racial tension in a phrase like that. Otherwise, why not just call your theoretical French and Irish men the pejorative and dispense with the nationalities?

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Originally Posted by John83

You're probably technically correct, but there's certainly some underlying racial tension in a phrase like that. Otherwise, why not just call your theoretical French and Irish men the pejorative and dispense with the nationalities?

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Ah come off it John.
It might be some other things but it's definitely not racist.

LeBleu, we feel the same about DUblin :D

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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

Ah come off it John.
It might be some other things but it's definitely not racist.

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If a friend of mine from the US spontaneously gave me a present, would I call him or her "a generous American"? A phrase like "Irish *****" uses "Irish" in a pejorative sense. That you consider it normal enough that you're incredulous I consider using someone's nationality as a negative racist says more about the casual racism you've been exposed to than any oversensitivity on my part. I'm not saying that it's the worst thing in the world, or that it should result in a footballer being banned, but it's racist.

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by John83

If a friend of mine from the US spontaneously gave me a present, would I call him or her "a generous American"? A phrase like "Irish *****" uses "Irish" in a pejorative sense. That you consider it normal enough that you're incredulous I consider using someone's nationality as a negative racist says more about the casual racism you've been exposed to than any oversensitivity on my part. I'm not saying that it's the worst thing in the world, or that it should result in a footballer being banned, but it's racist.

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If I call someone a "Cork langer" or a "Tipp ******" at a GAA match am I being racist against people from Cork and Tipperary?

Anyway, people often put someone's nationality in front of a positive descriptive word. Italian stallion and so forth.

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Originally Posted by galwayjames

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.

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Originally Posted by galwayjames

I hope Andrews breaks that ****ing ****e's legs on Wednesday.

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Excellent idea. Red card for Andrew.
Advantage France.

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Originally Posted by LeBleu

Excellent idea. Red card for Andrew.
Advantage France.

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Le Bleu, I love the French...but I hope Andrews does hurt Diarra.He is a disgrace, and there has been no apology from the French camp as far as I know

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Why are people talking about WWII?...

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Because they're a bunch of Tan wannabes on here. Never hear much about the 'honourable retreat' out of Dunkirk for three years waiting behind 23 miles of water for Uncle Sam to turn up.

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Originally Posted by twoenz

If he called him an Irish p rick, then it's hardly racism is it?

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It obviously isn't the same as 'White' pr*ck, but any insulting term that uses nationality, religion, or sexuality as a pejorative IMO would be deemed in the same category as calling someone a black or white so and so, by FIFA. Examples: Cantona, Zidane and Sol Campbell.

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Originally Posted by Yard of Pace

If I call someone a "Cork langer" or a "Tipp ******" at a GAA match am I being racist against people from Cork and Tipperary?

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If Mary O'Rourke had claimed that her campaign staff had worked like Kerrymen, would she have gotten the attention she did?

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Anyway, people often put someone's nationality in front of a positive descriptive word. Italian stallion and so forth.

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That example is simple rhyme, which makes it memorable. I'm struggling to think of another which isn't.

My god but people are very precious

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Le Bleu, I love the French...but I hope Andrews does hgraceurt Diarra.He is a disgrace, and there has been no apology from the French camp as far as I know

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Yes but what he say ?
Sure he must be punished if he say racist thing but I don't think it's the better way to break is leg.
It will be so stupid like a Zidane headbutt.