Nutsy on the look out for Scottish Club

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

He won a title, in his last season at Shels with players who pretty much hadn't been paid for half the season and while he, himself hadn't been paid for the same period of time. Now you can't tell me any manger can do that?

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It's completely hypothetical whether another manager could have kept the expensively assembled Shelbourne team motivated when the cash ran dry, but Fenlon does deserve credit for his part in this.

At Bohemians this years squad has more of his signature on it then last years, and the jury remains out as to how successfull the club, with the largest budget in the league, will be this season.

But if you examine the starting 11 in last years cup final, I think that 8 of these were Sean Connor signings, with only Oman, Byrne and Deegan being Pat Fenlons. (I'm open to correction on this!)

Cup Final Starting 11
Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Liam Burns
Mark Rossiter
Stephen O'Donnell
Killian Brennan
Glenn Crowe
Neale Fenn
Ken Oman
Jason Byrne
Gary Deegan

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

It's completely hypothetical whether another manager could have kept the expensively assembled Shelbourne team motivated when the cash ran dry, but Fenlon does deserve credit for his part in this.

At Bohemians this years squad has more of his signature on it then last years, and the jury remains out as to how successfull the club, with the largest budget in the league, will be this season.

But if you examine the starting 11 in last years cup final, I think that 8 of these were Sean Connor signings, with only Oman, Byrne and Deegan being Pat Fenlons. (I'm open to correction on this!)

Cup Final Starting 11
Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Liam Burns
Mark Rossiter
Stephen O'Donnell
Killian Brennan
Glenn Crowe
Neale Fenn
Ken Oman
Jason Byrne
Gary Deegan

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you are correct on that point I also count eight players there that were there before fenlon...

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

Either he's a great manager or it tells us something we always knew, Derry are massive bottlers.

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LOL Hairy - you truely are Captain Cliché...... :o

How exactly a team can 'bottle' it in the first half of a season, I have no idea. The concept of bottling is all about losing nerve when the pressure is on at the business end of the season - not the start.

As for your bitterness cliché - how can City fans be bitter about a man that 95% of us were delighted to see the back of ? :confused: Are Bohs fans bitter about Roddy ?

The only signs of bitterness I see are from you and your stiffy with City.

I just need you to reply saying "it's a game of two halves" and I'll be able to call 'house' on your buzzword/cliché bingo...

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Originally Posted by thischarmingman

Alan Moore (Shelbourne) now assistant manager at Pats

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Not true. Our assistant manager is John Carroll (Doolin's assistant at Drogheda). I think Moore was assistant at Rovers at some stage last season - after Scully left? - but for your sake, I really, really hope you're not confusing us with Shamrock Rovers...

Alan Moore is now the physio at Sligo Rovers

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

It's completely hypothetical whether another manager could have kept the expensively assembled Shelbourne team motivated when the cash ran dry, but Fenlon does deserve credit for his part in this.

At Bohemians this years squad has more of his signature on it then last years, and the jury remains out as to how successfull the club, with the largest budget in the league, will be this season.

But if you examine the starting 11 in last years cup final, I think that 8 of these were Sean Connor signings, with only Oman, Byrne and Deegan being Pat Fenlons. (I'm open to correction on this!)

Cup Final Starting 11
Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Liam Burns
Mark Rossiter
Stephen O'Donnell
Killian Brennan
Glenn Crowe
Neale Fenn
Ken Oman
Jason Byrne
Gary Deegan

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Ken Oman was signed just before Fenlon took over.

Before Fenlon took over a lot Derry fans were unhappy with his appointment. I still no idea why Fenlon went up there giving the recent history between Derry and Shels plus Kenny was a tough act to follow. He didn't stand a chance. As soon as things went wrong the fans would turn on him and players would lose confidence. It's all most like LOI's version of The Damned United. It's not bitterness its anger and dislike.

But calling you lot bitter is fun though!:D

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Originally Posted by gustavo

Alan Moore is now the physio at Sligo Rovers

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That would be ironic :D And yes he was assistant to Jim Crawford at the end of last season.

If Fenlon does jump ship I can see Bohs being in big trouble, he'd take the best players with him I'd say. Compensation could come in handy for them though.

Well Falkirk is out of the question. Steven Pressley and Eddie May look like the new management dou there.

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Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

But calling you lot bitter is fun though!:D

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A bit like calling you lot Orangemen you mean....? :D

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

A bit like calling you lot Orangemen you mean....? :D

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Or Rovers the cup specialists.

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Originally Posted by Ezeikial

But if you examine the starting 11 in last years cup final, I think that 8 of these were Sean Connor signings, with only Oman, Byrne and Deegan being Pat Fenlons. (I'm open to correction on this!)

Cup Final Starting 11
Brian Murphy
Owen Heary
Liam Burns
Mark Rossiter
Stephen O'Donnell
Killian Brennan
Glenn Crowe
Neale Fenn
Ken Oman
Jason Byrne
Gary Deegan

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And if you look at the difference between what Fenlon got out of that group of players and what Connor got out of them, it'l tell you alot about both managers...

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Originally Posted by micls

And if you look at the difference between what Fenlon got out of that group of players and what Connor got out of them, it'l tell you alot about both managers...

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Thats an interesting spin on the debate....that Fenlon is a better manager then the most vilified in the league!

Personally I would opt for Fenlon over Connor as a manager, but your comment lacks some objectivity.

If the debate is about Fenlons skill to idenitfy and sign players who can win leagues and cups, the point is that the foundation stone for Bohs' double last year was already laid for him (largely by Sean Connor) - the fact that 8 out of the 11 starters in the cup final were already at the club just starkly illustrates that.

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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

A bit like calling you lot Orangemen you mean....? :D

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.....or calling Londonderry, Derry :D. Always amazes me how Stephen kenny walked out on Derry and is a hero and Nutsy left (to the joy of most derry fans) and is vilified. but then I look at who managed teams that have prevented Derry winning Leagues and Cups in recent years and it begins to make sense.
not bitter.... just jealous !

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

not bitter.... just jealous !

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Not jealous, just bemused.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

Not jealous, just bemused.

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Derry have "St" Stephen back and are happy and Bohs are happy with Nutsey. Good result all round so why are Derry fans constantly whinging about Nutsey ? do you want him back ?

Cant recall Bohs fans going on and on about Kenny despite him leaving Dalymount on less than perfect terms.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Catch a grip of your nags. I know you post on the Bohs forum. There is plenty of stuff on that about Kenny. We certainly don't want the rat back.

In case you haven't noticed, Derry people are predisposed to whinge. It's in our genes. We'll whinge about anything, and definitely about a manager who took a club pushing for the treble, to a club battling against relegation in the space of three months.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Derry have "St" Stephen back and are happy and Bohs are happy with Nutsey. Good result all round so why are Derry fans constantly whinging about Nutsey ? do you want him back ?

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Pat Fenlons managerial record is blighted by his resounding failure at Derry. It is inevitable that any discussion about his abilities, strenghts and weaknesses, will feature his unhappy time there. Who better to comment then Derry fans?

This is all the more inevitable when claims like this one were made on this thread-

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Pat Fenlon is the best manger in this league by a great distance, with or without a cheque book.

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Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

Either he's a great manager or it tells us something we always knew, Derry are massive bottlers.

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Cant recall Bohs fans going on and on about Kenny despite him leaving Dalymount on less than perfect terms.

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Including Roddy Collins who got shown the door after his double winning season in 2001, Bohs have had six managers in the following 6 years through to 2007. I don't think any of them left on "perfect terms" (although Sean Connor might disagree!)

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Derry have "St" Stephen back and are happy and Bohs are happy with Nutsey. Good result all round so why are Derry fans constantly whinging about Nutsey ? do you want him back ?

Cant recall Bohs fans going on and on about Kenny despite him leaving Dalymount on less than perfect terms.

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You've learnt a lot from the rat, like how to deflect attention from the issue at hand.

Any bohs fans care to comment on Fenlon issuing a come and get me in the middle of a title defence? And what that means for the club - Do you have any paddles? And just how far up the creek are you? Is he bottling it or running away when things are getting tough, again?

No doubt we'll get the usual seige mentality from Fenlon supporters - nothing wrong here and everyone's out to get us.

Passions run high on the little man it seems.

For the record I'd have Kenny and Fenlon as the two best managers in the league. Streets and streets ahead of the rest.

Things didn't work out for Fenlon at Derry but jesus lads, let it go. Is it really that big a deal that he failed there?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Passions run high on the little man it seems.

For the record I'd have Kenny and Fenlon as the two best managers in the league. Streets and streets ahead of the rest.

Things didn't work out for Fenlon at Derry but jesus lads, let it go. Is it really that big a deal that he failed there?

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There's nothing to let go ! :confused:

Fenlon was never popular witrh City fans before he came to the club, so our view has remained consistent.

Our dislike of him isn't just because he screwed-up in City. It's because he's a dislikeable wee Rat. I don't like Roddy Collins, even though he's never been at City.