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13/10/2008, 10:10 AM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by eamo1

I thought every t.v bought in the last 10 yrs or so has one of them built into tthe t.v set,is this true??

Not true.

Just think about the electronic logistics of it for a start. How exactly would the TV communicate the information back to wherever it needs to go to be collated ? It would need some form of transmitter to send stuff out, not just receive it. And if TV's had a transmitter of some sort in them, you'd know all about it.

Also - I suspect it would be considered an unnecessary infringment of privacy for people to have their viewing habits recorded, stored and colated withoiut their permission. Wouldn't stand-up to any legal challenge I strongly suspect.
13/10/2008, 10:17 AM
pete

Re: Attendance

I always get the impression the mailing list the FAI use isn't the best or else Supporters clubs don't see much gain from attending or not. I would have gone but was only asked last week & was too short notice.
13/10/2008, 11:20 AM
OneRedArmy

Can people take the TV discussion off-topic?

On the address list, its clearly not ideal, so if you want to get on it email Noel Mooney.

As I said, the list originated from the people who were the FAI contacts at each club for the Eircom League section at the international games, which Soccerc was instrumental in setting up.

So blame him ;):D

Seriously though, if anyone knows Noel Mooney, he's an extremely open guy and he will be more than happy to add your name, or if there are already reps from a club, put you in touch with them so you can take things up directly with them.
13/10/2008, 11:26 AM
Macy

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Originally Posted by Schumi

I got an e-mail from Alan Kearins (not sure of exact spelling, sorry) about this as I was at the last meeting but I also got an email from UCD so the clubs must have been asked to get some supporters' representatives along.

Section O was represented. I was just querying it because of the line being taken about keyboard warriors saying stuff here and then not turning up to the meeting where they had the chance to ask the hard questions. Pretty hard to go if you weren't invited or asked to go as a representative, so people were hardly running from the fight.
13/10/2008, 12:12 PM
Angus

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Originally Posted by pete

Re: Attendance

I always get the impression the mailing list the FAI use isn't the best or else Supporters clubs don't see much gain from attending or not. I would have gone but was only asked last week & was too short notice.

Lads, in fairness, this site also had a banner advertising the event for the last 2 or 3 weeks - when searched, it brought up a set of instructions, including emailing Noel Mooney with required attendances.

Adam, is my memory accurate or am I going mad ?
13/10/2008, 12:14 PM
Boh_So_Good

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Originally Posted by A face

I dont know do they grasp the whole 'public', 'national broadcaster' and 'taxpayers money' thing.

But the amazing thing is neither does the Government. To see that Enviro Neo Con Eamon Ryan saying "RTE are correct in showing Eastenders" says to me there is something more going on here.

You do have to wonder some days if Freemason/Murdoch/Globalisation or some similar has to pulling the strings behind the scenes. RTE is actively working on destroying our national culture and industry. Why? Every penny RTE spends on imports they are robbing it from the TV and Film production company here. How expensive can it been to make a home-grown documentary consideing peoplecan do it on YouTube for free? Economics as well as any sense of public broadcasting service always takes second place to RTE getting as much Murdoch as posible into Irish homes.

Eastenders on the same time on RTE as BBC. Terrible US chick shows which get terrible ratings they fight to bid on... They are completely twisted and surreal in just about every way possible. Apparently RTE's latest cut back is that staff have make their own coffee. Poor dears.

I tell you the more I live, the more lies I see in media, the more destruction I see of nation states, the current communisation of banking the more I am starting think that David Icke was right after all.
13/10/2008, 12:24 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Angus

Lads, in fairness, this site also had a banner advertising the event for the last 2 or 3 weeks - when searched, it brought up a set of instructions, including emailing Noel Mooney with required attendances.

Since when is foot.ie supposed to be representative of LOI supporters? PLenty of clubs with no, or limited representation here.
13/10/2008, 12:35 PM
OneRedArmy

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Since when is foot.ie supposed to be representative of LOI supporters? PLenty of clubs with no, or limited representation here.

It was a focus group.

I don't think anybody there would claim to represent the totality of views of supporters of their respective clubs. I've actually no idea how you would achieve this democratically and still end up with a workable amount of people in the room.
13/10/2008, 12:45 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by Maribor

In 2008 revenue in the League grew by 51%,wages by 26%

Was there any more detail on this point? From the figures in the Genesis Report, a 50% increase in league revenue adds up to an increase of 8 to 10 million euro.

It seems to me that attendances in the league haven't grown by anywhere near 50%. Was there any breakdown of where this money came from?
13/10/2008, 12:46 PM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

It was a focus group.

I don't think anybody there would claim to represent the totality of views of supporters of their respective clubs. I've actually no idea how you would achieve this democratically and still end up with a workable amount of people in the room.

I thought they were looking for 3 representatives from each club?
13/10/2008, 12:53 PM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angus

Lads, in fairness, this site also had a banner advertising the event for the last 2 or 3 weeks - when searched, it brought up a set of instructions, including emailing Noel Mooney with required attendances.

Adam, is my memory accurate or am I going mad ?

Noel requested that was put up earlier in the week, and it was the first that alot of us heard of it. The email method is the correct one as it contacts the groups who would be most likely to attend. The thing is fans of the clubs who weren't there need to ensure that this list is up to date.

Also, it would have helped if people mentioned it on here when they heard of it on 9th of Sept, but such is life.
13/10/2008, 1:06 PM
dcfcsteve

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

Was there any more detail on this point? From the figures in the Genesis Report, a 50% increase in league revenue adds up to an increase of 8 to 10 million euro.

It seems to me that attendances in the league haven't grown by anywhere near 50%. Was there any breakdown of where this money came from?

I imagine a sizeable chunk of it was accounted for by increase in prize money, increase in Euro qualification mioney, CPO money etc. I also wonder if they put a notional value against MNS or not ?

Attendances would only have increased by a small amount.
13/10/2008, 1:10 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

I thought they were looking for 3 representatives from each club?

They were, but I'm not sure if that gets you much closer to democratically representing the views of all a particular club's fans?
13/10/2008, 1:13 PM
Dodge

It doesn't but it gives a far better view than if 6/7 clubs are represented
13/10/2008, 1:34 PM
HarpoJoyce

Quote:

Originally Posted by A face

Noel requested that was put up earlier in the week, and it was the first that alot of us heard of it. The email method is the correct one as it contacts the groups who would be most likely to attend. The thing is fans of the clubs who weren't there need to ensure that this list is up to date.

Also, it would have helped if people mentioned it on here when they heard of it on 9th of Sept, but such is life.

Thanks for replying to Angus in the first place A Face. For myself, I checked among some of the usual syuspects at my club and two supporters of my club were going. Representative of me or not.

But why would I mention that the FAI are holding a public meeting on this website. That would only encourage the anti-FAI, anti-Irish Football element. There's enough of them at my club already.
13/10/2008, 1:43 PM
OneRedArmy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dodge

It doesn't but it gives a far better view than if 6/7 clubs are represented

Sorry, crossed purposes.

Yes, totally agree that more clubs should have been there, hopefully there will be better representation at the next one now that more people know about it.

But, by the same token, it sounds like some people were contacted, couldn't go/didn't want to go and didn't bother trying to get people to go in their stead. The buck stops with those people in that case.
13/10/2008, 1:56 PM
Ash

Just checked the email list, dunno if this was mentioned already in the post but
the only Clubs who did not have a contact email on it were : Monaghan, Kildare, Cobh, Shels, Waterford & Sporting Fingal.

And of those missing from the list, Shels had a 2 reps there
13/10/2008, 4:04 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

Was there any more detail on this point? From the figures in the Genesis Report, a 50% increase in league revenue adds up to an increase of 8 to 10 million euro.

It seems to me that attendances in the league haven't grown by anywhere near 50%. Was there any breakdown of where this money came from?

That figure was surprising to me too (about 8 million is right). It was queried, and Smith said 30% of it (I think he meant 30 of the 51%) was from investment (and not directors' loans or anything - proper investment).
13/10/2008, 4:07 PM
John83

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

Thanks for replying to Angus in the first place A Face. For myself, I checked among some of the usual syuspects at my club and two supporters of my club were going. Representative of me or not.

But why would I mention that the FAI are holding a public meeting on this website. That would only encourage the anti-FAI, anti-Irish Football element. There's enough of them at my club already.

**** off Harpo. You were on the mailing list that got the notice. You replied to none of the emails, including ones which indicated a vacancy when Pineapple Stu dropped out last week. It seems you didn't even read them - three of us went, not two.
13/10/2008, 4:19 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by John83

That figure was surprising to me too (about 8 million is right). It was queried, and Smith said 30% of it (I think he meant 30 of the 51%) was from investment (and not directors' loans or anything - proper investment).

Thanks,
I'd be a little weary then of presenting the information in this format:

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In 2005 revenue in the League grew by 2%, wages by 23%
In 2006 revenue in the League grew by 5%, wages by 15%
In 2007 revenue in the League grew by 15%,wages by 31%
In 2008 revenue in the League grew by 51%,wages by 26%

since the column on the left includes a large amount of capital income and the one on the right contains current expenditure.

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