Harps in dire financial trouble!!

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01/10/2008, 5:57 PM
blackholesun

>This is an absolute disgrace. No wonder UCD fans are p*ssed off.

The only club TO DATE that UCD can whinge about losing too are Cork City as they are the only club found SO FAR to be in breech of the licence.

The rest of the clubs projected certain revenues, these projections were accepted by the FAI, then the projections fell short and the clubs scrimped and scraped and asked players to take a pay cut to get by till the end of the season.

Now if at the end of the season, any club has outstanding debts and is refused a premier license then UCD might get to stay up, other they deserve to go down.

And before some UCD fan moans about the projections being off the wall in the first place, similar such off the wall projections about attendences and the future of the club off the pitch were included by UCD by the hatfull in their original application to be part of the new FAI Premier Division, so they havent a leg to stand on there.

bhs
01/10/2008, 5:59 PM
pineapple stu

No UCD fan is complaining about projections being off the wall. As an accountant, I'm well aware what projections are worth.
01/10/2008, 6:00 PM
Bald Student

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Originally Posted by blackholesun

And before some UCD fan moans about the projections being off the wall in the first place, similar such off the wall projections about attendences and the future of the club off the pitch were included by UCD by the hatfull in their original application to be part of the new FAI Premier Division, so they havent a leg to stand on there.

Link?
01/10/2008, 6:02 PM
6yardpunisha

was sorry to hear about harps being in trouble, great club and great supporters, we know what its like down here as we are in the same crap. Hope harps recover
01/10/2008, 6:34 PM
robertob

Oh my god, the next club in financial trouble! That isn't good for the League. I can't understand how it could happen. Why so much Teams in difficulty? That is a disgrace absolutely.
01/10/2008, 6:37 PM
DmanDmythDledge

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Originally Posted by Bald Student

Link?

Attendences were definitely lied about that season, that's one thing for certain. I thought you knew that.

At the Alumni Dinner in 07 the club had a 5 year plan included in an information booklet. I presume this was the same that was presented to the IAG. I can't remember the full details but included in it was winning the Premier Division within five years and at least every five years after that. If I still had the info I would send it on to you.
01/10/2008, 6:57 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by robertob

Oh my god, the next club in financial trouble! That isn't good for the League. I can't understand how it could happen. Why so much Teams in difficulty? That is a disgrace absolutely.

If you can just collect �1 from everyone in Germany we will get �82,400,996 (you can keep the 996 for yourself).

There will be no problem if we get big crowds between now and the season end.

You cannot deduct points of Harps for reducing player wages especially since Galway, Cobh and Sligo have done the same. If they do they can see us in court :p
01/10/2008, 7:00 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by finnpark

You cannot deduct points of Harps for reducing player wages especially since Galway, Cobh and Sligo have done the same. If they do they can see us in court :p

think someone has already pointed this out but WE HAVE NOT reduced any players wages, we let go Anto Murphy,Alan Moore etc. to bring DOWN the wage bill
01/10/2008, 7:07 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

think someone has already pointed this out but WE HAVE NOT reduced any players wages, we let go Anto Murphy,Alan Moore etc. to bring DOWN the wage bill

I beleive you, millions wouldn't ;)
01/10/2008, 7:11 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by finnpark

I beleive you, millions wouldn't ;)

im pretty sure it would have been well documented on this and other forums if any SRFC player had taken a wage cut:confused:
01/10/2008, 7:16 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

im pretty sure it would have been well documented on this and other forums if any SRFC player had taken a wage cut:confused:

Well I don't understand why teams go public about wage cuts :confused:

They should be kept quiet between the players and the club.
01/10/2008, 7:22 PM
Rovers1

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Originally Posted by finnpark

Well I don't understand why teams go public about wage cuts :confused:

They should be kept quiet between the players and the club.

Rovers released/sold/got rid/transferred/or however you like to put it Murphy,Moore,McKenzie etc. and did not ask any players to take wage cuts (none of what anyone has heard,because im 107% sure it would be up on this website)

i really dont know what your on about when you say " I don't understand why teams go public about wage cuts :confused:" unless your back talking about your own club.
01/10/2008, 7:27 PM
Mr A

You can't keep it quiet once Patsy McGowan finds out and gets a chance to mouth off one more time.
01/10/2008, 7:30 PM
HarpsinDublin

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Originally Posted by finnpark

We need a youth system similar to what UCD have. Perhaps the club could forge links with LYIT and Magee to try to attract players from outside the region

The club are currently running four teams. The first team, A team, U20's and a youth side. How many more do you need?

Both Ballybofey United and Cappry Rovers run underage teams, are there really enough young players in Ballybofey to get an underage set up from Under 7's upwards to the youth team?

As for LYIT and/or Magee a lot of our former U21 and A team players have played for one or the other. The problem is not enough players coming through from the U21 or A team with the quality needed for the League of Ireland.
01/10/2008, 7:35 PM
HarpsinDublin

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Originally Posted by lofty9

Thank you.

Mr Finnpark, even without this latest setback occurring, I would be very surprised if Paul was your manager next year. Trying to negotiate things like free coach travel every week to keep the club afloat are bound to have an adverse affect on the stress levels of a very committed and already highly stressed man!

As for Derry over performing etc, so what?

Yes it is very stressful cutting the training ground grass every day! Hegarty has questions to answer too. Big wages for Beckett, Kevin Ramsey = no goals from either and both have spent a large time on the injury list. He signed Austin Friel in the transfer window, wont play him even when we only have one striker fit or available due to suspensions.

No doubting Paul's committment but some of his decisions have been questionable. If we go part-time next year will he want to continue?
01/10/2008, 7:48 PM
rambler14

Should we start a pool on who cuts wages next and goes on the verge of going out of business???

I call Drogheda!
01/10/2008, 8:03 PM
robertob

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Originally Posted by finnpark

If you can just collect €1 from everyone in Germany we will get €82,400,996 (you can keep the 996 for yourself).

Ya ok I will try it - but I can't give a promise! :D

But seriously, I can't understand why so many clubs has big financial problems. I mean, where is the problem to spend only so much money wich they really have? If I haven't money I can't buy that what I want or I can't spend more as I have. That's life.
01/10/2008, 8:27 PM
blackholesun

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Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Attendences were definitely lied about that season, that's one thing for certain. I thought you knew that.

At the Alumni Dinner in 07 the club had a 5 year plan included in an information booklet. I presume this was the same that was presented to the IAG. I can't remember the full details but included in it was winning the Premier Division within five years.

Paper never refused ink!

Of course UCD were not the only club who painted the rosiest possible picture at that time ... but I was amazed the FAI didnt take the chance then to send them packing off to the first division.

I remember reading some stuff in the papers from a UCD official at the time that with the move to the Belfield Bowl they were hoping to link up wth locals schools and get 100s of local teenagers along to the games.

UCDs model of developing / attracting players has obviously worked well for them on the pitch but aside from this they are no asset to the league.

bhs
01/10/2008, 9:25 PM
Rovers1

can any of the UCD heads tell me (apologies if totally off topic) how/in what way the college itself funds the club?
01/10/2008, 9:33 PM
finnpark

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Originally Posted by HarpsinDublin

The club are currently running four teams. The first team, A team, U20's and a youth side. How many more do you need?

Under 7 the whole way up including a new Primary and Secondary school leagues and proper coaching that would include social coaching such as discussing the influence of booze, psychology and Gym training programme information. Starting at 18 or 19 is a waste of time unless they look outside the NW like UCD do - a national scouting system. Even GAA clubs start at U-10 and they are amateur.

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Originally Posted by HarpsinDublin

Both Ballybofey United and Cappry Rovers run underage teams, are there really enough young players in Ballybofey to get an underage set up from Under 7's upwards to the youth team?

I think that a wider catchment area than Ballybofey is needed :rolleyes: Most of the young lads around there are ****heads by the age of 18

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Originally Posted by HarpsinDublin

As for LYIT and/or Magee a lot of our former U21 and A team players have played for one or the other. The problem is not enough players coming through from the U21 or A team with the quality needed for the League of Ireland.

Thats true alright. Too much drinking and not enough professional training.

3 things a club like Harps should have in place:

1. Youth System - County wide in all major population areas from under 7s upwards including schools and a summer academy for different age groups.

2. A decent stadium

3. Intense local PR and marketing

4. A professioanal team

The board decided to go from point 0 to point 4 skipping the most important parts that any club should have.

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