You know he's actually going to answer that don't you!!:DQuote:
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You know he's actually going to answer that don't you!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
You B***ox;)Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
By now Emmet should be 1/2 way through the draft of his reply, only another 40 lines to go.
So what your saying is you would prefer to have two central midfielders who play very little part in the game and are rarely able to pass a ball forward then one of those and a lad who can actually dictate the game from midfield. Look at arsenal fabregas aint a great tackler, manu with scholes, liverpool with gerrard, villa with pertrov, everton with cahill ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
Ah right, yee were trying to wind me up, yee don't really believe Reid should be back in the squad.
I'll admit, had me going there for a while, thought yee were beng serious about Reid.
Emmet :rolleyes:
We know you're not that stupid.
Just a question to raise a little debate. If/When Ireland fail to qualify, and if Reid is brought into the team for friendlys etc and runs amok, as he is doing for Sunderland, controlling the game etc. Will the likes of Emmet7 come back and eat his words?? Or will he be in here praising Trappaponi, saying how he made Reid hungry to play again?
The play-off is 2 cup finals and the most in form players should be picked. Its not like Reid is a new recruit and would have to gel with the players, he is the mot in-form Irish player in the world right now.
My prediction is we lose against France, have a poor start to the 2012 EC qualifiers and Trap fecks off, leaving us in the proverbial.
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Originally Posted by weldoninhio
Do you by any chance write tax forms for the IRS?
My prediction is we lose against France, have a poor start to the 2012 EC qualifiers and Trap fecks off, leaving us in the proverbial.
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Hold that thought. This may well be the bravest and wisest prediction for a long time.
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My prediction is we lose against France, have a poor start to the 2012 EC qualifiers and Trap fecks off, leaving us in the proverbial.
Losing against France isnt that brave a prediction. I think everyone can see that France are the favourites, but we still have a good chance of getting through with 2 draws.Quote:
This may well be the bravest and wisest prediction for a long time.
Having a poor start to the 2012 EC qualifiers. Now that is a brave prediction considering we dont know who are in our group or what order we will play the higher ranked teams in our group.
Trap fecks off, leaving us in the proverbial. With Steve Staunton as our manager, Paul Jewell being championed as his successor and a shallow pool of talent to choose from before Trap arrived, its not that big a leap to say we will be in the poo when he leaves.
To believe that Hunt is just as creative as Reid is downright ridiculous. Ok, he may create the odd chance, but usually wastes a number of decent crossing / passing opportunities before doing something worthwhile. In addition his touch is absolutely scandalous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emmet7
I also believe he is not so good defensively.Yes he will run back and run all day, but he is brainless and is liable to do anything.He gave away a ridiculous penalty for Hull a few weeks back, and I believe he is well capable of doing something similar again.
Having said that, he does offer something going forward, but should only be used from the bench
Doesnt look like anyone has posted this yet... Jonathan Pearces thoughts on the Reid situation. He seems reasonably confident we can get a result as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/8353705.stm
According to the stats on premierleague.com, Hunt has 2 assists, this season, and Reid has 4. Reid has 12 bonus points, only Essien and Fabregas have more. Hunt only has 2. Overall, Reid contributes far more to a game than HuntQuote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Nice find northerncelt, from that articleQuote:
Originally Posted by northerncelt
Remember them?? I won almost €200 on them!Quote:
It would be a crying shame if Irish fans didn't see him in the emerald green again. Remember his cracking long range strikes against Bulgaria and Cyprus in August 2004?
His range of long and short passing was astute and accurate. He had the strength to win block tackles and the turn of foot to avoid challenges too and he was desperately unlucky to finish on the losing side.
All round qualities and not just an attacking luxury in Pearces eyes? Emmet take note.
They could only draw with Bulgaria home and away, they were held to two 0-0 stalemates by Macedonia and although they did the double over the minnows Cyprus and Georgia, all four victories were by a solitary goal. They need more creativity.
Though not an entirely accurate article.....
I thought Hunt was really effective against Stoke, from the bits I saw. Some great crosses.
How many minutes do each of them have? I'm not railing against you, but I'm sure Reid has quite a few more. And what were last season's stats?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I just want a broader comparison to compare them more reliably.
Also, the short memories on here are astounding. Hunt got an assist against Italy as did Lawrence, both our wingers, both from set pieces. Talking of Reid's set piece ability like it is something we don't have already is disingenuous.
Not sure about last season's stats, but according to fantasy.premierleague.com, Hunt has played 998 minutes, and Reid has played 743Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Fantasy Football is called 'Fantasy' for a reason lads but just to humour ye (and myself:D) here are some stats (I also threw Lawrence into the mix).Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
2009/10
Reid (743 minutes - Goals 2 - Assists 4 - Bonus 12 - Pts 52)
Hunt (998 minutes - Goals 2 - Assists 2 - Bonus 2 - Pts 41)
Lawrence (446 minutes - Goals 0 - Assists 1 - Bonus 0 - Pts 41)
2008/09
Reid (1809 minutes - Goals 1 - Assists 5 - Bonus 12 - Pts 87)
Hunt (3314 minutes - Goals 5 - Assists 5 - Bonus 15 - Pts 131)*
Lawrence (1551 minutes - Goals 3 - Assists 4 - Bonus 9 - Pts 73)
*used Hunts stats from 2007/08 season seeing as he played in the Championship last year.
We would never have been in this position had Trappatoni let us play to our strengths, that is a fact and was clearly evidenced last night.
Quality footballers like Keane, Duff and Doyle in a team inhibited with restriction on midfielders going forward etc. is just wastage and now Duff and Doyle’s chances of playing in a World Cup are gone.
Anyone who sees any merit in having Darron Gibson come on instead of Andy Reid is a Muppet, pure and simple.
This campaign was lost in the qualifying group, one which we could so easily have won, and all because of Liam Brady demanding respect from Andy Reid. I hope Brady is never considered for the Irish job.
when did Brady demand respect from Reid?
surely it ultimately rests with Trap anyway
Wouldn't agree with the first bit, no way we would have done so well without Trap. He built us a solid foundation based on a well organised defensive unit. Contrast this to where we were in the Stan days. This has developed throughout the campaign and now we seem to be able to attack teams without exposing ourselves at the back. If we had went gung ho from the beginning of the campaign we would have lost a few for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
no time for this now lads. the lads did it for us that were on the pitch. debate for another day IMO.
I must say I'm gutted to see this thread near the top of the Ireland forum (and yes I see the irony of me posting here and bumping it up again).
But after last night, I thought I'd come on here and see nothing but praise for the team and how they played cause they deserve nothing less. Lets just commend the lads for a magnificent performance and be proud to be Irish.
The "lads" were let down by the management, pure and simple. A lack of respect for their abilities, their spirit and their determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duggie
The lads certainly did do it on the pitch, the question has to be where SOME of them the right lads to have on the pitch, and why where the right lads not ALLOWED to play to their abilities throughout qualification.
"Better than Stan" is not a yardstick on whch to measure managerial performance, surely?
Madness, if we went out to play some attacking free flowing football we'd have been murdered, the last 10 minutes in Dublin are a good indication of this, we went after a goal and France hit us with pace on the break and could and possibly should have burried the tie there and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
We were controled & measured in Paris attacked when we could and stopped them playing at pace.
To question the manager after a performance like that is very odd indeed.
Look. Trapp deserves alot of credit ALOT OF CREDIT for the performance last night and the leaps since he was appointed.
However I've said numerous time that his lack of efforts in a plan B and, specifically, insulating his own plan from the effects of change, would cost us.
We lost two players through injury last night. I don't believe anyone in the country, on this board or anywhere else believes that Gibson was the next best Irish midfielder or like wise McShane at right full. I believe Gibson was the next best midfielder on the bench, Yes. I don't believe McShane was the next best right full on the bench though, so that's Trapps call. He obviously sees something I don't and that's his perogative.
The issue lies with the use of friendlies and exposure to irish players and options. Delap, Carsley, Andy Reid, a half fit Steven Reid (given there was no intention to start him anyway). What had Trapp seen of these since the start of the season to decide Gibson (not played since September) was the better option.
People have cited marginal decisions. The decision of McShane over Kelly would have been marginal at the time. Neither have truly convinced, but McShane has been prone for a long time and I can't have been the only one that looked back at the bench when he was warming up. If a limited selection don't convince surley you equal the exposure to both to find the best of a bad bunch. Maybe Trapp saw enough in Training. Maybe Kelly's worse in training than McShane. I do think though that Trapp ers too much on the side of consistency and that that was the deciding factor in McShane over Kelly.
That's my gripe with Trapp. Has been for a while. I thought we we excellent last night though. His plan A is beyond sound. I think he alone has allot to do with the emergence of Whelan and Andrews in that role and they both will finish their careers as better players having played under him. Didi Hamman reckoned he was a huge influence on his playing career after playing under him at Munich. I'm not knocking anything else he has brought to the table.
Andy Reid had nothing to do with last nights game and his name should not be used in the same breath as last nights match. Eleven boys went out onto that pitch and by christ they walked off men.
:D:D Comical.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
I'm sure Duffer, Dunne and Keane would be thrilled with being told they walked on to the pitch as boys.
Andy Reid instead of Gibson and ANYONE instead of Paul McShane…and it’s not being wise after the event, as soon as I saw McShane I buried my head in my hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
I’m not criticizing any player here for their effort (before another Muppet starts talking about “heroes” etc.), I am criticising the ridiculous position that left us with Gibson and McShane as our options!
could the word "muppet" be starred? I'm sick of seeing it. That's my contribution. gutted
gibson did ok but mcshane isint good enough i wish finnan had been on the berch......... :(
Has anyone ever seen Andy Reid outjump a tall midfielder to win a header?
Andrews was immense last night, probably the best of a top notch Irish team. He won every header around the middle of the park, whether it was from a bounce or not and this created a platform for the Irish team.
He had one very vital interception in our own box and was up the other end in attack as well, a real box to box performance.
Andy Reid would not have had the physical strengths to compete like Andrews did last night, we would have been blown away in the centre of the park if Reid was playing instead of Andrews.
Gibson equally is able to tackle and win headers.
I'm sorry but Andy Reid is too small to compete in the centre of the park. Plus he's not good enough as a box to box player and defensive midfielder.
Andrews performance rivalled anything Roy Keane ever done.
My belief has been the same throughout the campaign. If Andy Reid was in the team we would not have finished second or first in our qualifying group. He's just too inconsistant.
Lets forget andy as a central midfielder. He's already come out and said he prefers the left wing. He should be ahead of mcgeady in the pecking order for that spot and have to fight it out with duffer. Simple as that, and i think we'll see him back for the euros
Gibson did nothing wrong. He was the only viable alternative in the position. McShane, I would not have minding a box of puppies and that is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
I was surprised Trap didn't bring Kelly on. He came on against Bulgaria and did very well.
Trap's words today. Wonder if he was thinking about Reid here?
"When you think about changing the system, you must find the right players for the positions. I believe in this system. Ireland has a system which is ordered on the pitch. We think that we have given this team order on the pitch. But we can change in a moment and maybe we have the possibility to play with a little bit of fantasy and creativity. I would like to try this."
I think he is refering to the current squad, possibly Liam Lawrence.
Has anyone else noticed we play our best football when chasing a game?
I know Trap has a philosophy of not conceding and he's right in that, because if you concede in the 85th minute you probably will lose the game.
The key seems to be to concede early or concede in the first leg of a tie. This leads us to play good football.
Get your facts straight - Brady told a journalist in a press conference to "respect your county" when he asked a particular question about Reid. He never said anything about respect to Andy Reid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scram
That question was actually about Stephen Ireland, and that we should go down on our knees and ask Stephen Ireland to play. Brady said, show some respect to your country to the journalist and he was dead right to say it. Nothing to do with Andy Reid at all.
All though there is a rumour out there that Reid showed a lack of respect to Brady in the build up to the Cyprus game.