And how does this relate to my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
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And how does this relate to my post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
For the love of God, and the sake of whatever is left of the collective sanity of the board, can we please move the poppy talk to the politics forum?
But Tets, it's a very important issue! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Exactly. You can always ignore it.
;)
Poppycock!
After reading that BNP statement, Maith an fear Seamus!!
I guess if Simon Cox wore one it would be Poppy Cox?
I wonder if Nick Griffin will be revising his opinion that the Irish 'count' as white British.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Not at all. Read what I posted again. I wasn't dissing - I was saying that I'm not going to change the minds of people who only ever regularly post on eligibility/northern Irish born players threads. I have no interest in trying to change the minds of people whose minds aren't for changing! Waste of time! That's all it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
By the way, I also have friends and family in Britain but not sure that that is relevant anyway. And it's only lofty because we're sitting on 2 foot of snow!
Okay, let me be clear because maybe I'm not being clear. If I decided to wear a poppy just because my teammates were doing it, I would argue that that is less of a "statement" than deliberately going against what my teammates were all doing. Arguably more thought goes into that action therefore it's more of a statement. Just wearing one cos everyone else you know is wearing one is a pretty diluted statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Personally, I'd check foot.ie first and then do the opposite of what Paul O'Shea thinks... ;) just kidding Paul! Seriously, I didn't wear one here but then I just don't care enough either way! I'm a lazy b@stard.
A take on James from Manchester.
http://www.afinelung.com/?p=5015
I understand from reading that, that it's important for you to change other peoples' opinions, that you have this idea that your opinions are somehow more right and other peoples' opinions are more wrong. That you are not comfortable with just expressing your opinion on a matter but have the 'itch' to change the other person's opinion, perhaps towards your own point of view. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Here, you can express yourself and debate your point and leave it at that. Why on earth do you want to change people's opinions? that's fundamentalism.
I see what you're saying, but rather than brand McClean an ill-informed loudmouth then, couldn't you acknowledge that his club placed him in a very uncomfortable no-win situation? Should he have toed the line, sold out and set himself up for a good shunning in his home community? Perhaps you were the one who was ill-informed?Quote:
Okay, let me be clear because maybe I'm not being clear. If I decided to wear a poppy just because my teammates were doing it, I would argue that that is less of a "statement" than deliberately going against what my teammates were all doing. Arguably more thought goes into that action therefore it's more of a statement. Just wearing one cos everyone else you know is wearing one is a pretty diluted statement.
Not to nit pick, but who has opinions they don't believe are right? If I didn't think my opinion was right, I'd have a different opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'm with you guys, I know my opinion is right and the world would be a better place if more people thought like me, granted I might argue more with them.
That's what we need, more of you. One is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Some would say, one is too many ;)
One, can never be enough tets :D
Deliciously sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I printed it out and stuck it to my breast. Should make an interesting talking point for the rest of the afternoon.
Has he quit Twitter again?
https://twitter.com/mcclean23
yeah, he closed his account after taking abuse for not wearing the poppyQuote:
Originally Posted by dcfc_1928
I wouldn't doubt that a more level headed individual such as yourself would have a bit more perspective on the issue and I respect peoples decisions to wear and commemorate this if they like however it seems that a lot of peoples attitudes are somewhat more sensationalized and OTT and they seem unable or unwilling to understand why people might not want to wear it and refuse to respect their decision, the whole thing makes me rather uncomfortable and pessimistic about NI as the divide is so deep that there is literally no room for mutual respect among large swathes of the population there. I don't see why the white poppy isn't more widespread as it should be an alternative for those who wish to remember all victims of war including British Military personnel and surely nobody could have issue with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
I would be more optimistic SR, although it will take a long time for some of the slower learners on both sides of the political divide here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SolitudeRed
I think Her Majesty's visit to the Garden Of Remembrance in Dublin last year, and the visit of The Taoiseach and The Tánaiste to Remembrance Day Services in Northern Ireland on Sunday example how mutual respect can be shown and built upon.
There is much in our shared history to reconcile us, and I hope that can be explored in greater detail.
Perhaps in some form of political union :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
The South will fade into a big Federal European political union (one of the United States Of Europe) - we'll be remaining in a different kind of political Union.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So anyone who has a different opinion from you is wrong? and the point of discussion is to change the other person's 'wrong' opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
And you never ever have discovered later that maybe you were not so 'right' after all?
Pistols at dawn!
I accept in general terms that my opinions might be wrong, and I'm definitely open to changing them but as I said, at the moment, I'm convinced that the specific opinions I hold are right. That's sort of the dictionary definition. If you don't believe it, then it's not your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The problem isn't believing that your opinion is right, the problem is believing that it can't be wrong.
You sound like a man talking from experience there geysir.
I think you missed some context Peadair and have a look at what I was replying to in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Not when Alba leaves...Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
;)
And no chance of NATO admitting Korea, let alone the EU!!
thought he tried hard tonight, a little too hard. Seemed to be attempting the difficult too often when a simple option was available
Indeed. He was determined to sling the ball in the box at every opportunity but his crossing was poor, at least in the first half when I was watching.
It felt like him and Coleman were at war with neither giving each other the ball. Even if he looked up once he would have seen Seamie in a great position on his right.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
"She's coming apart, Captain!"Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/102...rek1007173.jpg
Oh I know what I was saying was completely irrelevant and out of context, I'm just a horribly pedantic person!Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Isn't debating - which you've asked me to do - a matter of convincing others of the accuracy of your opinions versus another opinion? It's not fundamentalism at all, it's just life. Either way, I don't know how different I am to most other people in the real world, never mind this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
FFS, you don't half bleed something to death do you? Didn't I already admit that I didn't understand that the poppy had been hijacked over there by a bunch of nutters and therefore could somewhat more easily understand James' position? Im not the type of poster who's afraid to hold his hands up and be corrected. That said, I stand by my original general sentiments that controversy seems to follow McClean and if it doesn't stop or if he doesnt just wind his neck in a little bit, he'll find himself as a footnote sooner rather than later. Whether his opinions are right or wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
That trait came in very handy when he wrote his dissertation on player eligibility, I'll have you know. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
It hasn't been hijacked by nutters. It's simply that the wearing of the poppy has become more or less ubiquitous in Britain and as such any refusal to wear one attracts significant comment. The reasons for McClean's refusal are obvious, as was stated earlier in the thread. The reasons for the poppy's ubiquity, are for another thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Lads,
You know you are testing Tets' sanity by continuing this debate, he has even tried to steer this thread back onto football!
http://www.snp.org/donateQuote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Okay! I really don't want to argue about this anymore! I need a holiday! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
Some very interesting discussion in James' thread of late! But aren't opinions mere subjective statements of belief or interpretations of a personal perception of the truth/facts determined by one's perspectives and dependent on individual circumstances? They can't be right and wrong, by definition/nature (à la statements of fact, which will always have been true at some point); just different and diverse, surely, with all being as valid as the next? The words "right" and "wrong" bear no meaning when it comes to opinions. When an opinion is accurate, it is no longer an opinion, but a fact, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by peadar1987
Philosophically-speaking, of course. :)
OK, OK... Controversy does appear to follow young James around, but let's not lazily hold him responsible for all of it before we properly understand the nature and primary cause of these episodes ourselves. That's akin to prejudice. You'll be happy to hear I'll leave it at that. For now... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu