Would a sale and leaseback arrangement over 25-35 years be possible?
Would a sale and leaseback arrangement over 25-35 years be possible?
Again goes back to how much someone will pay knowing how desperate Bohs are. The FAI are the only possible party who'd take into account footballing interests and as Dodge said I don't think they have the money Euros or no Euros. Every penny they get will be going to what they owe on the Aviva. Maybe if they got to the World Cup in 2014 they might have a few quid but can't imagine Zurich being persuaded by that possibility somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
What extra money? Doubt any developer will even give them the full amount owed to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
I'm sure tongue was in cheek Dodge, but if Cobh had a case, wouldn't the precedent have been set with the first time the FAI bought Dalymount, or United Park (and doing improvements to bring it up standard)?
Tongue was in cheek, but I think the FAI used licensing as a coer for not helping out Cobh at the time too
ie it wouldn't be fair to others who had to fund their own ground repairs/maintence etc to keep in line.
Not 100% on that though
It is possible but a sale and leaseback agreement that would also cover the 4 million debt would be miraculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eminence Grise
After paying the debts off I doubt Bohs AND Shels combined could put together enough to buy Tolka never mind pay for the necessary repairs/maintenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Some possibility of a sale and leaseback for Dalymount working but would probobly need Shels involved (and maybe Pats when Kelleher moves on :o) to make it viable.
Presumes that there is a buyer out there with the money to spend that wants to "sit" on the site or that club(s) would generate enough income to pay off leaseback arrangement
If I recall correctly Tolka is zoned recreational isn't it? Wouldn't that make it relatively cheap to buy?
I know people out there know that Bohs are pretty desperate, but at the same time it's still a chunk of land relatively near the city centre and maybe they can still move it on.
Although of course it would be saved.
Not sure what Tolka would cost but it would need serious investment if club(s) were to take it on. Right now would be a great result for Bohs to somehow aquire Tolka.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
This is the accurate version:Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-2926601.htmlQuote:
"There's a lot of debts," says Casey. "The debts are with the old company, Accolade, that was parked when we took over. That company has the asset in Tolka Park. You're talking about millions of debts and that will only be satisfied when the leasehold interest is gone.
"The way the property market is at the moment, I don't know when that's going to be. There is a contract of sale there (with Coneforth -- a consortium led by businessmen Jerry O'Reilly and Ossie Kilkenny) but there is no appetite to close it at the moment because the funds aren't there."
Considering that Casey expects to be in Tolka for at least three years, then the club will always be restrained by the scale of what they owe. "Other clubs liquidated their companies and started afresh, Derry and Cork," he explains. "We could have and walked away from all the creditors, but that didn't happen. They understand the situation. They will be paid when the ground is sold. "If the original price that's in the contract is satisfied, there would be a surplus. But I don't think that contract will be satisfied now. I think it will be a lower price."
Bohs may go find yer man who just dug athlone out and do some begging
Got a text, Motion 4 defeated 50 odd for, anything up to 200 against.
Anyone explain, in practical terms, what, if anything, this means??
EDIT: Evidence
Maher resigned too which is fcking great news.
At a basic level, LTID, it means that the club will remain a members club. But it is symbolic of a shift in the membership, a shift towards rebuilding the club properly. Hopefully. But keep yer knickers on, i think we will get a premier license next year.
It means there were at least 50 people there who should've been horse whipped after that vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
I never thought this was in doubt. Whether you're owned by members or Sunderland, as long as you have a plan to pay your debts, and have incorporated them into the budget submitted to the FAI/licensing, then there was never a doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Now all you have to do is find a way to pay Zurich the money and you're laughing
Would Shamrock Rvrs, now that they have loads of money, be interested in doing a Mike Ashley? dig deep and pay to get to rename Dalyer to something god awful? Help your rivals out and have a laugh at the same time.;)
ShamrockRovers.ie@Dalymount?
Alternatively they could pay off the debts they welched on in 2005 :) still a very long way for Bohs to go before they are sorted out and a Premier licence is some way down the "to do" list.Quote:
Originally Posted by horton
Dodge, I think licencing process only covers "football" debts which might not include Zurich loan which is a property debt. More likely licencing concern would be around guaranntee that Bohs would have a ground to play in if Dalymount were sold mid season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Licensing covers more than jus debt. Your budget for next year will have to clearly show money in, and money out. And the money out bit is the important bit here...Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Like I said, I've no doubt Bohs will get a license
...possibly with a side portion of fudge :cool::cool::cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
How would that happen if you can't get the money to keep your own ground? I think the FAI should acquire either Dalyer or Tolka and renovate it to be the underage teams stadium that Bohs and Shels can both use.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
They're coming into an €8 million windfall from the Euros hopefully, why can't they invest something in the domestic game for a change.
Because practically half of that money is going straight to the management team.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
FAI layed off more cutbacks yessterday, they're up to their eyes in debt. They won't be splashing out on any stadium that isn't based in Dublin 4...Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Never mind opening the door to accusations of offering competitive advantages to LOI clubs
Any link to it, would like to read it, know someone who works for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Shame that, yet Delaney is on 400k a year and throws a grand behind the bar like it's nothing every chance he gets. Yet his association is in deep financial trouble and the GAA after spending three times what they had to put into their stadium are financially sound and their President is not on HALF what that idiot is on.
Why are the soccer community allowing this and not kicking up about it?
What soccer community? Fans of non-Irish teams only have a passing interest, many of the national teams fans are casual supporters who go straight back to parish pump sports once they leave the shiny Aviva. LOI fans are a minority without much support, so even if they cared who would know about it??Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
LOI fans are the soccer community, something should be done at that level while he screwed the league by reducing the prize money by approx 66%, while he earns a Kings ransom. Surely supporters groups could lobby the FAI and kick up about it somehow?
TA, we can't even sing about them without getting fined!
Supporters groups are too busy making sure their clubs don't go to the wallsQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I'm no fan of Delaney but pick your battles
Just a suggestion. Maybe the clubs themselves can lobby, feck knows, you any better suggestions other than just take it up the ****ter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
why don't you start a campaign then. theres nothing stopping youQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I'd love to start a big campaign to put pressure on either getting rid of Delaney or lowering his wages. It's ridiculous the amount of money that man is being paid. But it's yet another of these things that will just keep being brought up and nothing will change.
Must indeed pick your battles, although if Delaney started throwing those 1k's into the LOI clubs bars you'd not complain.
What do you want the clubs to do? They're all disasters themselves. Everyone of them is either losing money or in debt. When the clubs ran the league it was an even bigger shambles than it is nowQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I don't live in Ireland and don't have the clout. Any other stupid suggestions?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Stop making silly comment on the internet if you're going to take offence to every reply you get?Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
I don't think I did make silly comments. I asked can fans groups and/or the clubs lobby the FAI about changes. It's hardly a silly comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Asking someone who doesn't even live in Ireland why doesn't start a campaign is a moronic statement if ever there was one. I'm not taking offence, don't worry your pretty little head, petal....
its very easy to sit at your laptop demanding this and that be done and say that people aren't doing enough. Your removed from the reality of it allQuote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
That would just be odd seeing as the clubs actually voted the FAI in (again) to run the league not so long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
Silly was being kind. Its naive beyond belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by TiocfaidhArmani
OPretty big words for someone who clearly doesn't understand the FAI/club dyanmic here.Quote:
Asking someone who doesn't even live in Ireland why doesn't start a campaign is a moronic statement if ever there was one.
And yet anyone who tries to set your straight on any issue is either called a moron, or patronised. Interesting.Quote:
I'm not taking offence, don't worry your pretty little head, petal....