I'd quite like that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
"Roddy - your pay is...zero. Here it is. Now feck off."
Baffled why Collins is pimping himself so strongly for this voluntary position too.
I'd quite like that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
"Roddy - your pay is...zero. Here it is. Now feck off."
Baffled why Collins is pimping himself so strongly for this voluntary position too.
Because Roddy knows that his only way into jobs in Ireland nowadays is when some complete lunatic/fool like TNB is in charge of a club. He's burnt his bridges and TNB is his only hope.
Banks closed in 20 minutes and some staff still have not received their money.
So, does this deadline matter, will it be enforced or will we see the most unpopular fudge in a while.
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Originally Posted by micls
Some banks (including Bank of Ireland) don't close until 5pm, so TNB has about an hour to go yet.
Also, from what I can gather, the Independent Licensing Committee do not meet until the end of January. Even if TNB doesn't pay up his debts today, but pays them in mid-January, that should also suffice. I think the deadline today is a case of if he isn't going to pay anytime soon, he needs to have agreements in place with those that he owes money too. However, if he expects to pay everyone in the first week or two of January (and actually does pay them), I think the Licensing Committee will accept that as no monies will be owed to anyone by the time they sit.
Then whats the point of the deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by harps1954
He hasnt paid people yet and they are refusing to sign agreements. If the deadline is pointless why have it and not just saw the deadline is the middle of January.
It's crap like this that means TNB gets away with this constantly, and now all staff wont be paid before Christmas, he'l pay it at the last possible minute and the licensing committee will see nothing wrong in this?
I'll be disgusted if this is true.
On the basis only Tom wants to see a fudge, and everyone else (bar the Rodster) is searching for a reason to finally get shot of him, it would seem like this SHOULD be the end of the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
But of course it won't be....
I wonder when we'll find out the result of this so called deadline
Seen this on extratime.ie:Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Section 10.1 of the FAI domestic club licensing manual includes the following: “The licence applicant must prove that, in respect of contractual and legal obligations with its employees, it has no payables overdue towards employees or revenue/social/tax authorities as at 30 November of the year preceding the season to be licensed, unless by the following 21 December they have been fully settled, deferred by mutual agreement with the creditor or are subject to a not obviously unfounded dispute submitted to a competent authority.”
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Originally Posted by micls
It's the FAI's fault.
The deadline for completed License applications is the 30th November.
They then have another deadline where outstanding monies must be paid by 21st December.
However, the Licensing Committee do not sit until the end of January.
For me, everything should be in place by 30th November, the Licensing Committee should sit on the 1st December and licences for the following season issued then. However, we have a situation where almost three months pass from the date of the previous season until licences are handed out, and then just a two week period before the new season starts.
It's a joke of a situation where club's don't know for certain what Division they will be in next season. Take Bray, they are the club who will benefit most if Cork don't get a licence as they will be awarded a Premier Division licence. However, at the moment, they are not sure whether to sign players for a First Division campaign or a Premier Division campaign. We also have a situation in that we don't know if Salthill Devon or the 'new' Derry City are successful in getting First Division Licenes for next season - and no-one will know for certain until two weeks before the season is due to begin.
I know Cork fans want rid of TNB as soon as possible, and are hoping the FAI do this for them. However, it's the FAI that have set all these 'deadlines' and don't enforce them.
If you want my views on it, I'll bet you TNB pays all his football debts before the Licensing Committee sits and he'll get his Premier Division licence for next season. The 12 month ban won't bother him in the slighest as he'll just get that new General Manager to sign all the paperwork, etc. while he pulls the strings behind the scenes.
There are 'payables' overdue as of 30 November, they have not been cleared by 21 December [at least as of 4.37 today] and there are no mutual agreements in place with anyone. It's black and 888ing white!Quote:
Originally Posted by redobit
Screw all this fudging, they only get away with fudging because people have been willing to turn a blind eye to it in the past. Well not this ****ing time. No way.
The FAI have a responsibility to the employees of the clubs they claim they police, they'll grow a pair of balls this time if I have to rip off Coughlan's and staple them between Fran Gavins legs.
So ****ing angry right now, people I've known for years, working for this ***** are facing into Christmas without money in their pockets, solely because TNB thinks he can get away with it.
The reason that they wait until the end of January for the financials is that the financial and tax year runs until 31st December and clubs have to get their accounts done and audited. Ordinarily I'd say that if clubs had the money paid by the time the committee met they'd be alright but in my opinion there's such bad blood between Coughlan and the FAI that they'll make no allowances for him whatsoever and any chance they get to deny him a Licence they'll take it. The only difficulty would be if other clubs are in the same boat and haven't met the deadline but it appears to be the case that everyone except Cork will at least have agreements in place.
So... After five now. Any news?
3 words: Job Seekers Allowance
This could possibly have been mentioned here before but if there is a fudge with regards to Cork and licensing does anyone feel that there's an appetite among LOI fans in general for some sort of Delaney Out campaign? An organised, non-whining on the internet type one that is.
It's not up to Delaney - it's up to the Independent Licensing Committee.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeixlipRed
Independent, yes, of course independent. Then the FAI just choose which league to place the team in.
Im sure he'l try to claim this somehow stopped him from paying people.Quote:
Cork City FC Chairman Tom Coughlan today obtained an Order from the High Court for leave to judicially review the Disciplinary Committee’s hearing of 17 December 2009.
The order relates to the Committee’s refusal of Mr. Coughlan’s request for an adjournment, the Committee’s decision to hold the hearing in Mr. Coughlan’s absence and the Committee’s finding that Mr. Coughlan had brought the game of football into disrepute and the sanction imposed on him.
As a result of this, certain issues may not be capable of being finalised while the proceedings are pending.
Notwithstanding the pending judicial review proceedings, Mr. Coughlan remains committed to obtaining a renewal of the Club's license and will be doing everything possible to ensure such renewal while awaiting the outcome of the judicial review.
Speaking to CorkCityFC.ie, Mr Coughlan said: “I was very disappointed with the decision of the Disciplinary Committee and the manner in which we have been treated. It is unfortunate that we have had to pursue this course of action, however given the prejudicial nature of the CEO’s comments and the subsequent actions of the Disciplinary Committee, we were left with no option. We hope that this issue can be brought to speedy and successful conclusion so that we can concentrate on playing football next season.”
And of course the licensing rules exclude cases were legal proceedings are currently underway when taking unpaid wages into account. Super
They only exclude cases where it's a "not obviously unsound" dispute about the actual wages not some other case ongoing whilst wages are owed but no doubt he'll try it.
Plonker. He seems determined to **** Delaney off as much as possible.
Dead man walking.
Incidentally, doesn't legal action against the FAI raise the possibility of FIFA action against the FAI and a possible ban on the National Team.
I also suspect there are bits in the participation agreement about this.
FAI response
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The Football Association of Ireland this evening (December 21) confirmed its surprise at the Cork City FC statement that Mr Tom Coughlan was granted leave to apply for judicial review, given that Mr Coughlan has to date failed to exhaust all internal appeal procedures open to him.
The FAI is not on notice of any court application and if any order was made, it would been given on an ex parte basis, meaning that it would have been granted on Mr Coughlan’s word only.
Surely the court will tell him to go away and exhaust the procedures open to him first?Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Hopefully :D :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Technically, Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
FIFA Statutes
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Originally Posted by Article 64
The saying "you could write a book about this" springs to mind.What would the title of it be though???
TNB is really taking the pi** now,i knew he'd try something in the run up to today's deadline but not anything like this.He's dragging what little credibility this league had further into the s*it with each passing day.
Coughlan is beyond a joke, he isn't only making a show of a great club like Cork but the league aswel!!!he should be taken out and shot, i dont think there is too many who would care!!if he continues the way he is, Cork will be made an even bigger example of, than Derry were!!!
Never mind a book , i'd say you could make a flim on it at this stage .Quote:
Originally Posted by eamo1
Is anyone else at a point where they just don't give a damn about the whole F'ing LoI anymore. The way i feel right now, i honestly don't think i'd care if the whole thing went tits up.
Happened to me about half way through last seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
The whole league is a jokeshop, but then again I find football to be a nonsense sport the older I get
The rate it's going pro-wrestling will soon have more creditability, at least they know how ridiculous they are and actually treat their fans well
Ya,i agree with Jebus,i wouldnt mind seeing Cena and The Rock(is he still at it?) in a Ladder match in Terryland Park:p.
I do agree with Hairy Bowsie,i havent renewed my season ticket for next season yet,usually i do straight away.Im seriously thinking of not renewing it for the first time in 13 years/seasons.I just think i'd be a fool to give money to this league the way it is right now.I think about the decision to renew it or not everyday lately.
I asked this question and it is a reason (false allegations and slander) that Floriana are so cheesed off. His house wasn't taken away or his family forced home, nor was his car taken away. He had a major run in (not entirely his fault - hard as it is to believe) with a former committee member and handed back the car (as it was rented from the man's company) and the house was costing a fortune and he refused to pay for it anymore (the club paid 75% and were going to continue to do so) but then he decided he wanted something smaller. Then he did a deal with a hotel and stayed there instead. And his family went home because he was (according to one of his former players) getting pretty erratic. Floriana never broke his contract, otherwise he wouldn't be making so much noise (and is still begging them to release him for free, despite having lied about his intentions). Class act. I hope to goodness both he and Big Tom get a red letter.Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
I have stopped getting annoyed and angry with it. One simple decision will decide whether I will truly have stopped caring for it anymore and that's if the man that I cant swear heavily enough about is still in charge of Cork City FC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie
If he is, the whole league can go to hell for all I care. Will gladly jump full time onto supporting the Sky Premiership and Serie A.
I agree with some of the sentiments above. Last close season I found myself at a point where I was seriously thinking about whether this league was worth the effort. I was aghast that Cork and Drogheda received no more than a rap on the knuckles for despite the craziness that had gone before. If anything, things have got worse since then in the league.
It's only the fact that FHFC is making real efforts to sort itself out that keeps me going.
That and the fact that I'm horribly addicted.
Confirmed that wages were missed; apparently E150k is owed in wages alone.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1222/corkcity.html
Cork City miss wages deadline
Tuesday, 22 December 2009 09:01
The fate of Cork City FC is out of their hands, after the club missed yesterday's deadline to settle outstanding wages.
The Leesiders owe a figure in the region of €150,000 to current and former players and have been unable to secure an overdraft to make the payments.
The FAI's Licensing Committee are likely to look at the case once Cork City have paid their bills.
The FAI have also indicated that they are surprised at Cork City Chairman Tom Coughlan has applied for a court hearing in response to his one year ban from football and €5,000 fine.
Damn, beat me to it!!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
One wonders if information such as the scale of the unsettled wages finding their way to the public domain might be not entirely unrelated to TNB's latest gesture of defiance to the FAI. A guy that desperately needs a slice of Frank and Irene's fudge should be very careful about stepping on their toes too much.
Think it was on the Rovers forum I saw a suggestion that TNB was a GAA plant. Couldn't work out whether to laugh or take it seriously.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2009/1222/corkcity.html
What happens now? Roddy's looking to go back for one game to Malta (in the Maltese media today), but given the fact that Declan O'Brien gave an interview in a Maltese paper today or yesterday saying that while he was going to sign for Floriana, Roddy told him not to, for no other reason than he was in the hunt for the Valletta job himself! Gets weirder and weirder!